Do You Think "Quranists" Should Be Executed?
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Here is a discussion I came accross (its a few years old)
http//forum.bismikaallahuma.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=5554.0
The only answer is YES THEY SHOULD BE EXECUTED. Many reasons
(1) As Faisal pointed out, they became apostates by rejecting the sunnah of the prophet (pbuh).
(2) They don't believe in the messenger of Allah (pbuh) because if they had faith in him, they would also have had faith in his words. Just as a person has faith in Allah and therefore has faith in His words.
(3) They are corrupting religion by spreading misguidance. And anyone who causes such a mischief in the world is waging war against Allah and the Messenger, and such people need to be fought back and gotten rid of, unless they repent and turn to right path.
The Holy Prophet (pbuh) said
Narrated 'Ali
I relate the traditions of Allah's Apostle to you for I would rather fall from the sky than attribute something to him falsely. But when I tell you a thing which is between you and me, then no doubt, war is guile. I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "In the last days of this world there will appear some young foolish people who will use (in their claim) the best speech of all people (i.e. the Qur'an) and they will abandon Islam as an arrow going through the game. Their belief will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have practically no belief), so wherever you meet them, kill them, for he who kills them shall get a reward on the Day of Resurrection."The list is endless.. I don't have time to type it all up again. Search the forum.
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Who are the Quranists? Is Quranist a new trend or a new sect? Because as far as i know, we can't find the word Quranist NOWHERE in the Quran. Neither Prophet muhammed, nor any of the other prophets called themselves Quranists. Those who call themselves Quranists have destroyed for the rest of us. By calling themselves Quranists, they are creating a new ideology that separates them from the rest of the people in the world. And when they call themselves Quranists, they are easy to recognize by a few individuals in muslim groups like shia and sunni that want to blame someone for their misfortunes. Personally i am a non-religious human being that believes in God, the judgement day, the life after death, all the messengers of god pluss the angels. I am non-religious because Islam is NOT a religion. I am so thankful to God for showing me that deen is not religion, and that all the people who labeled me as a non-muslim for not praying 5 times a day or going to mosque where wrong. All of them where wrong, and everything they know about islam is either from their parents or their scholars. Almost Everything i knew about islam was wrong.
Islam is a system as we know. Therefore there is no point in putting any labels on ourselves. I hate the name ISTS, creationISTS, evolutioniISTS, marxISTS... Its better to just be a human. its crap and nonsense to limit ourselves to the ISTS by being followers, rather than leaders. I am glad that i have the power to be a limitless leader, rather than being a follower that is trapped in the different groups of ISTS. There is one exeption however, and that is being monotheist. Monotheist is the only IST i accept. Most people who label themselves as ISTS that are not accepted by God, are often the weak and follower-type of peoples in my opinion. I know that you believe that Islam is a system just like me layth, so this post is for people who believe that islam is a religion or that we are quranists. Why be a follower when you can be the leader? Why be a student when you can be the teacher? God tells us that human beings are not weak
Quran 3139
Do not be weak, and do not grieve, for
you are superior, if you have
acknowledged.However, i am humble so i also accept that we sometimes should be students. Sometimes we must have the role of the students also. It would be stupid and arrogant to never let people learn us stuff. However, we should be our own leaders as much of the time as possible. It is not my intention to talk about off-topic things in this post. Its just that i get irritated when human beings want to play the role of god by executing other humans because they don't believe in hadiths brickwall I get irritated when people don't use their brains and follow what is being programmed by society, their parents, their scholars and when they let other people rule their brain and their decision. They live in the comfort zone, and won't challenge themselves. I call it the mass-syndrom. I guess when people let their animality rule their lives, the shadow of ignorance, will darken their sight so that the eyes that see reason and logic will totally close themselves. And that is exactly what happens when they let humans be their masters instead of having only one master The God.
A true muslims knows that he has ALLAH as his only master, so he won't fear anyone
Quran 2150
Wherever you go out, you shall set
yourself towards the Restricted Temple.
Wherever you may be, you shall set
yourselves towards it; that the people
will have no room for debate with you,
except those of them who are wicked.
You shall not fear them, but fear Me so
that I may complete My blessings upon
you and that you may be guided.Quran 3157
If you are killed in the cause of God or
die, then forgiveness from God and
mercy is far greater than all they can put
together.If someone wants to execute you unjustly, you are allowed to attack/harm him by using self-defense
Quran 2190
Fight in the cause of God against those
who fight you, but do not transgress,
God does not like the aggressors. -
Peace,
With all due Respect,"Quranists" should not be executed. Remember Thou Shall NOT Kill?
We shouldn't call ourselves Quranists or Quran alone Muslims, we should always refer to ouselves as Muslims, we were always named as such, prophet Ibrahim was the first user of the word Muslims and we should not make grioups not help people with making groups.
When people ask me, if i am a Muslim, i say yes. When they notice i don't follow hadith books, they ask about sunna and hadith, i say openly that i follow Quran because i'm a Muslim and that i cannot follow any other books besides that. Then the conversation opens, where they say that hadith explains things and the next question is - how do you pray? How much zakaat do you pay? Where are the details regarding last will, fasting and so on.
I don't think sunnis who have converted to sunnism and especially those who don't speak Arabic, even know what they are saying, because they were taught what to say to those questions that they give them. That's why when you - A True and Real Muslim - ask a sunni something regarding Islam or The Quran, or when you tell them something, they look at you with a surprise, it's because you didn't go to their class, their school.
I told one sunni that chapter 6, verse 114 kills all hadith books instantly, he just said that i should go and hang myself. It's because he was taught by an imam or a scholar what 6114 means according to that person and now he can't see 6114 as itself. 6114 is very clear unless someone tells you what it means and you accept that menaing so hard and firm, that you remove any chances of looking at 6114 without preconcived ideas.
Peace. jedi
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No such thing as a Qur'anist or Qur'an Aloner, there are either Muslims or Non Muslims.
THats a bit black and white. http//www.theonion.com/content/files/images/onion_news1731.jpg Dont you think?
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Salam Layth. 316 But there are among men, those who obtain hadith without knowledge, to mislead men from the path of Allah and throw ridicule, for such there will be a humiliating destruction
The insanity of the hadithists has come full circle. Hadithists would want to execute a person who obeys Allah. In my opinion those Hadithists are an extreme form of Satan worshipper. Only Satan would want a person not to obey the word of Allah. Allah has condemned them to destruction.
Inshallah Allah will destroy, those who obtain hadith to ridicule and mislead men who are on the path of Allah. Hell is too good a place for a hadith person. Aazab, utter humiliating destruction is their reward. This is a promise binding on Allah. Ameen.
Allah hu Akbar.
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No such thing as a Qur'anist or Qur'an Aloner, there are either Muslims or Non Muslims.
Peace,
With all due Respect,Exactly my point, i've always been saying this and pointing out the difference. AlhamdilAllah, the word is out.
AlhamdilAllah, Thank God AllPowerful for all the blessings.Peace. peace
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Peace
I would not say that there is no such thing. Sometimes different words can express the same thing, to different extents of course. People distinguish between various things and there are not just muslims and non-muslims. The quran used various words to distinguish various things in people such as donkeys, zebras, apes, right, left, blind, seeing, et cetera. I would think of myself certainly as a quranist if I follow the quran but I would also think of myself as a muslim.
Joe
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Peace
At the end of the day it does not matter which revelation you followed or what you call yourself by your revelation. You are either a devotee or one who has rejected the path to God. Qur'anist is a word use for sectarians, it has no basis in Islam nor the Qur'an.
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Those who are devoted to God will seek no other guidance other than the Qur'an so inherently read the Qur'an alone. Qur'an alone is not the important thing, it is devotion to God, by this action you will do certain things, that may draw labels on to oneself, that are essentially irrelevant.
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Salaam,
I don't mean to dilute the reality of people wanting me dead because I identify as a Muslimah but don't follow their definition of hadith/sunnah, or dismiss the fact that many of us have died for how we interpret Islam, but I honestly feel that, until anyone who wants me dead is willing to do more than sit at their computer and cybertaunt me, I need to focus my energy on
connecting with The Creator;
getting right with myself through the guidance of The Holy Quran;
bringing out the best in my Muslim brothers and sisters;
being open to building bridges with non-Muslim allies without compromising who I am; and
spending time with those who want to bring out the best in me.While I have a right to defend myself, choosing who dies/when they should die/on what grounds is not my job as a human being, and is nothing less than a human rights violation.
Ma'salaama,
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Peace Roshan,
To show what we will be comming up against as the movement grows and spreads.
Well, one of us is worth two hundered of these morons.
Life and death is in God's hand - it's God will. But God also
wills that we take the necessary precautions to protect ourselves. -
Peace Roshan,
To show what we will be comming up against as the movement grows and spreads.
Salaam
Others say that there is a TEAM working on global warming and too many humans on earth ...In order to curb global warmng and control population one billion (muslims) needed to be executed via Deadly virus. &
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Peace Roshan,
To show what we will be comming up against as the movement grows and spreads.
Peace
I understand that it is different for people living in Sunni/Shia countries, but I feel such an internet posting, in english, does not necessarily indicate anything.
Roshan
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Salaam
Others say that there is a TEAM working on global warming and too many humans on earth ...In order to curb global warmng and control population one billion (muslims) needed to be executed via Deadly virus. &
Peace
You honestly believe this is a realistic idea!
Roshan
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Peace
You honestly believe this is a realistic idea!
Roshan
Salaam
It not my idea and its lethal if not realistic but if you are asking if its possible? I would say yes with virus targeting only certain genes
But remember they plot so does Allah Plot and Allah is the greatest of plotters.
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Peace, sunnis and shias call themselves and are known by 99percent of the world's population as MUSLIMS. So when some people here say they are muslims(who follow quran alone), please tell me how 99percent of the world's population going to distinguish these quran alone muslims from the MUSLIMS(sunni,shia)?
