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Who are the Brainwashed Disbelievers who think they are Believers (2-8 & 9)

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    farida
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    When they meet those who believe, they say "We believe" but when they are alone with their evil ones they say "We are really with you we; (were) only jesting. (2-14)

    Please note how they are deceving the believers.

    Salaam
    I am still learninga and as far as I can recall reading they try to deceive the believers but they think they succeeded in doing that but Allah reveals their acts to the believers and the believers are one party, they recognise their fellow believers as well as the hypocrites.

    The third type that I'm debating speaks about all the wicked "People of the Books" (Moslem Sects, Christian Sects, and Jews Sects) and not the ones who disblieve the existance of God and the Last day.

    Peace

    Is is same as the examples I quoted in my earlier reply post 10?
    peace

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      Salaam
      I am still learninga and as far as I can recall reading they try to deceive the believers but they think they succeeded in doing that but Allah reveals their acts to the believers and the believers are one party, they recognise their fellow believers as well as the hypocrites.

      Yes peace

      Is is same as the examples I quoted in my earlier reply post 10?
      peace

      It will depend on if he recognizes that he is Sining or not. You have to understand that believers Committ Sin, but they understand that what they are doing is Sin.

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      Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous, (133) Those who spend (freely) whether in prosperity or in adversity; who restrain anger and pardon (all) men; for Allah loves those who do good, (134) And those who having done Sins (Fahesha) of, or wronged their own souls earnestly bring Allah to mind; and ask for forgiveness for their sins,and who can forgive sins except Allah?,And are never obstinate in persisting knowingly in (the wrong) they have done. (135) For such the reward is forgiveness from their Lord and gardens with rivers flowing underneath an eternal dwelling; how excellent a recompense for those who work (and strive)! (3-136)

      But The other kind do not recognize that they are Sining (Code 19ers who delete Quran Verses, for example, or Stoning to Death, or saying that Jesus is God, etc)

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      When they committ a Sin (Fahesha), they say "We found our fathers doing so"; and "Allah commanded us thus" say "Nay, Allah never commands what is shameful do ye say of Allah what ye know not?" (2 Say "My Lord hath commanded justice (The Book); and that ye set your whole selves (to Him) at every time and place of prayer, and call upon Him, making your devotion sincere as in his sight such as he created you in the beginning, so shall ye return." (7-29)

      Peace

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        Yes peace
        But The other kind do not recognize that they are Sining (Code 19ers who delete Quran Verses, for example, or Stoning to Death, or saying that Jesus is God, etc)

        Peace

        Salaam,
        The problem with code 19?s advocates is that the holy book/s have not touched their hearts and they are in doubt as to its authenticity.. What is missing is the very first stage of belief ...24 those who believe in the unseen..... They rely on visual methods to try to convince themselves and since they do not believe in the very first stage they will have problems progressing to the next stages.
        To me they are those referred to as? the confused ones? and yes they do fall into this third kind group. Hypocrites I believe too come under this banner they are singled out in the later stages of the book in order to warn believers who may fall for their wicked act, but on the whole they come under this third kind.
        peace

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          Salaam,
          The problem with code 19?s advocates is that the holy book/s have not touched their hearts and they are in doubt as to its authenticity.. What is missing is the very first stage of belief ...24 those who believe in the unseen..... They rely on visual methods to try to convince themselves and since they do not believe in the very first stage they will have problems progressing to the next stages.
          To me they are those referred to as? the confused ones? and yes they do fall into this third kind group. Hypocrites I believe too come under this banner they are singled out in the later stages of the book in order to warn believers who may fall for their wicked act, but on the whole they come under this third kind.
          peace

          Peace,

          And for those type, the Thrid, they Believe in Allah and The Unseen (The Last Day, Angels, etc) in a wrong way; thus, they are unbeliever of the True Allah (the one discribed in the Book), which was my main point of this Thread. And to put it in other serious words They are Worshiping (Obeying) Partners, whom they made, beside Allah by following their teachings that differ from Allah's.

          I hope you and everybody understand how I came to this conclusion.

          Peace

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            Peace,

            And to put it in other serious words They are Worshiping (Obeying) Partners, whom they made, beside Allah by following their teachings that differ from Allah's.

            Peace

            Salaam
            That makes them Mushriq and, according to my understanding Mushriq and Munafiqoon are in the same category, as one takes partners to God and the others take the world aound them as more powerful than God.
            peace

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              Salaam
              That makes them Mushriq and, according to my understanding Mushriq and Munafiqoon are in the same category, as one takes partners to God and the others take the world aound them as more powerful than God.
              peace

              Peace,

              If you look at My signtuer you will note that anybody associate (add man made teachings) to God's Religion more what have been discribed in the Book, he or she fall in Shirk (Associating Lies).
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