Who are the people of the book?
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Peace,
No, the Christians and Muslms took that name from themselves. And if your parents do not associate with a tribe then you are not that tribe.
Tribe is like nationality. You are born from members who openly accept that tribe or you are brought into the tribe. But if neither happens, then you are not apart of that tribe. So there are many Muslim and Christian Arabs that have ancestors who were part of Israel but that does not mean that they are.
Godbless,
AnwarPeace.
Oh, I already knew that. I'm talking about the name "Israel" itself... In the Bible, it mentions Jacob's name being changed to "Israel", and all of his decendants started being called "Children of Israel" or "Israelites". Still, though, I never heard of "Israel" being the actual name of an angel and then given to Jacob. Is that teaching in the Bible?
Peace.
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Peace,
I never said Israel was the name of an Angel. That was Al-Araf. From what i know it is Jacob's name as well. But are the Isarelites the descendents of Jacob or all those who recognize him as their forefather. That is what I mean by tribal ethnicity and geneological ethnicity. Tribes are not necessarily geneological. Tribes are united by ideas and language. And that is what I mean to say. New world people's ceased to be what their old world ancestors were once the bonds and ideas were severed. If you recognize Jacob as your forefather and are committed to his ways that is what makes you an Israelist, despite whether you are of Isreaelite ancestry really or not. And even if you are of Isrealite ancestry if you have been disassociated from the idea and commitmen to Jacob as a forefather of your way of life than you are not an Isrealite or an Israelist even if you have that ancestry. It would be good if we could get a biblical perspective of what makes and isrealite. But because this is a tribal ethnicity it is the idea and the language NOT the actual geneology. That is why these groups were able to absorb so many peoples and keep their tribal indentities.
Godbless,
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Salam.
Genesis 3228 "And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel..."
Genesis 510 "And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name and he called his name Israel"All the names ending in "el" are names of angels. Gabriel, Raphael, Mykael, Emanuel, Israel.
Alla taught man the names of all things.
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Peace "belalhammad",
Moses said, in the Quran, that God prescribed death for Israiles Blasphemers
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And Moses said to his people "O my people! Verily, you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf. So turn in repentance to your Creator and kill yourselves, that will be better for you with your Creator." Then He accepted your repentance. Truly, He is the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful. (2-54)JK!! Please Think before answering, PLEASE pr
JK- First of all this is what Moses said and not always do the sayings of the messenger have to be Divine inspirations but emotional statements like when Lot said to his folk "here are my daughters they are purer for you" i also believe GOD didnt inspire him with this but it was an emotional statement. SECONDLY the phrase is translated incorrectly. "qatallu anfussakum" here means to "kill their ego/PSYCHES" NOT PHYSICALLY KILL THEMSELVES. Heres a good explanation
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FFA0Amposg
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Peace "belalhammad",
SECONDLY the phrase is translated incorrectly. "qatallu anfussakum" here means to "kill their ego/PSYCHES" NOT PHYSICALLY KILL THEMSELVES.
Peace,
Kill yourself or Kill any Self means Physical death and not Ego.
Why do we have to twist a Stright forward meaning in order to fit our own moral values or our cultural and socity value?
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Peace,
Kill yourself or Kill any Self means Physical death and not Ego.
Why do we have to twist a Stright forward meaning in order to fit our own moral values or our cultural and socity value?
PeaceSorry Brother do you think Jews killed hundreds of their own fathers mothers daughters sisters wives sons brothers on God command and soon after that they refused to enter the city when asked to do that saying first you and your God should clear the city for us then we will enter it. ???
Peace
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Sorry Brother do you think Jews killed hundreds of their own fathers mothers daughters sisters wives sons brothers on God command and soon after that they refused to enter the city when asked to do that saying first you and your God should clear the city for us then we will enter it. ???
Peace
Peace,
I do not know what happend after Moses said that. But I know what the Verse says, and that how I should understand it.
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Peace,
The word nafs can mean pride or desire. Qatala can mean to kill, curse, subdue or beat severely.
Godbless,
AnwarThe above plus, original meaning other than to kill to humiliate. It also means to treat someone as dead
Maqaaees-ul lugha dictionary of classical Arabc
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Peace,
Kill yourself or Kill any Self means Physical death and not Ego.
Why do we have to twist a Stright forward meaning in order to fit our own moral values or our cultural and socity value?
PeacePeace.
The Israelites weren't instructed to physically kill themselves. They were told to kill their ego/pride/desire. If you read the entire passage, you'll see that is says that The God forgave them, even though it didn't mention anything about them killing themselves. That obviously means that killing themselves (PHYSICALLY) wasn't necessary for them to attain God's mercy...
Peace.
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Peace.
The Israelites weren't instructed to physically kill themselves. They were told to kill their ego/pride/desire. If you read the entire passage, you'll see that is says that The God forgave them, even though it didn't mention anything about them killing themselves. That obviously means that killing themselves (PHYSICALLY) wasn't necessary for them to attain God's mercy...
Peace.
Peace,
What Ego has to do with worshiping Idle?And remember Moses said to his people "O my people! Ye have indeed wronged yourselves by your worship of the calf so turn (in repentance) to your Maker and slay yourselves; that will be better for you in the sight of your Maker." Then He turned toward you (in forgiveness); for He is Oft-returning Most Merciful. (2-54)
So, you are saying that because of their Ego, they worshiped the Calf; I do not see an Ego confused
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Peace,
What Ego has to do with worshiping Idle?And remember Moses said to his people "O my people! Ye have indeed wronged yourselves by your worship of the calf so turn (in repentance) to your Maker and slay yourselves; that will be better for you in the sight of your Maker." Then He turned toward you (in forgiveness); for He is Oft-returning Most Merciful. (2-54)
So, you are saying that because of their Ego, they worshiped the Calf; I do not see an Ego confused
PeaceIts true meaning is humiliation
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Peace,
What Ego has to do with worshiping Idle?And remember Moses said to his people "O my people! Ye have indeed wronged yourselves by your worship of the calf so turn (in repentance) to your Maker and slay yourselves; that will be better for you in the sight of your Maker." Then He turned toward you (in forgiveness); for He is Oft-returning Most Merciful. (2-54)
So, you are saying that because of their Ego, they worshiped the Calf; I do not see an Ego confused
PeaceThis was speaking of their desires, their inclination towards polytheism. They were commanded to slay/kill/eliminate these desires... In this same verse, it says
"...Turn to your Maker and kill yourselves. That will be better for you in the sight of your Maker. Then, He turned toward you, for He is most merciful." (al-Qur'an 254)
Here, it mentions The God forgiving them. It didn't say anything about them actually going through the process of killing themselves physically. It simply says that they received God's mercy after they repented from worshipping the idol. This implies that their repentence from this idolatry did not involve them physically killing themselves, it involved them turning away from the act, killing their desire to associate partners/idols with God.
Peace.
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Peace,
Imaatah/imaatatun means to cause someone to die, not to treat them as dead. Besides that, thanks Samia.
Godbless,
AnwarSalaam Anwar
I know that, and thank you for further clarifying what I already said, that " Kill and humiliate are the original meanings". To treat as dead is also a meaning (mentioned in the classical dictionaries).
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Peace,
Samia, how would you say 'to treat as dead', or better yet how do the dictionaries say that? Because to my knowledge that meaning is not communicated by the word Imaatah/Imaatatun, which was the word you seem to be using to refer to that idea. That is, according to your quote in Arabic.
The above plus, original meaning other than to kill to humiliate. It also means to treat someone as dead
I see humiliation idhlaalun, but I don't see 'to treat as dead', I just see Imaatah/Imaatatun.
Godbless,
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Salam,
The followers of Moses are the Jews,
The followers of Jesus are the Christians,
The followers of Mohd are the Muslims,
These are the people of the book,
The same scriptures God gave Moses, Jesus and Mohd...of four scriptures ....these are the three.
It is said in the Quran, that other people will recognize the Quran as they recognize their own child, bcoz each prophet said above were given their own language scriptures.
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Peace,
Samia, how would you say 'to treat as dead', or better yet how do the dictionaries say that? Because to my knowledge that meaning is not communicated by the word Imaatah/Imaatatun, which was the word you seem to be using to refer to that idea. That is, according to your quote in Arabic.
I see humiliation idhlaalun, but I don't see 'to treat as dead', I just see Imaatah/Imaatatun.
Godbless,
Anwarimata is one of the meanings of qaf taa laam (as the entry of the classical dictionaries says and I quoted .
We are talking about "qatala", and imata is an explanation.
Here is where the dictionary says (to treat as dead).
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Salaam Alaikum
From a Quranic perspective People of the Book NOT 'Jews and Christians'
The People of The Book / Al Kitab are the 19 Prophets mentioned in Sura Al Anam 683 - 689
These were the men to whom We gave THE BOOK / Al Kitab, and authority, and prophethood. if these (their descendants) reject them, Behold! We shall entrust their charge to a new people who reject them not.
These Prophets were given The Book / Al Kitab, singular, ONE Book
Muhammed,as was given The Book / Al Kitab also....
To you (i.e. Muhammed) We sent The Book / Al Kitaba in truth, confirming WHAT IS BETWEEN YOUR TWO HANDS from Al Kitab
The Quran explains the details of The Book / Al Kitab....
And this Al-Quran / The Reading is not that can be produced from other than Allah, but it is a confirmation, that is between his two hands and the explanation / details of Al-kitab / The Book there is no doubt in it from the Lord of the worlds.
There are 33+ attributes of The Book / Al Kitab 'detailed' in the Quran in the following ayahs
2.185, 5.44, 3.3, 2.105, 11.96, 2.2, 53.4, 2.75, 6.104, 2.99, 85.21, 72.1, 5.15, 39.23, 12.3, 14.25, 3.138, 15.9, 7.145, 21.48, 2.99, 7.62, 3.44, 23.6, 98.2, 45.18, 9.49, 2.145, 10.35
'The Book' Al Kitab has NOTHING to do with Old Testament or New Testament Bible/Torah
Not all of them are alike. Of the People of the Book are a nation / ommatun that stand / in salat. They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.
Muslims in this ayah are being identified and confirmed as 'People of the Book'.
Jews and Christians are mentioned as 'reciting from The Book / Al Kitab'
And the Yahood/Jews say, ?That Nasara/Christians are not on anything.? And the Nasara/Christians say? that the Yahood/Jews are not on anything.? And both of them are reciting AL-KITAB/THE BOOK. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.
Thus Muslims, Jews and Christians are reciting/referring from the guidance of Allah, but creating their own books
And when Allah took a covenant from the People of The Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs (teaching something else), and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made!
Say. "Have you seen (these) 'Partners' of yours whom you call upon besides Allah? Show Me what it is they have created in the (wide) earth. Or have they a share in the heavens? Or HAVE WE GIVEN THEM A BOOK FROM WHICH THEY (CAN DERIVE) CLEAR (EVIDENCE)?- NO / Bal, the wrong-doers promise each other nothing but delusions.