Lol, ugh, empty post? Sorry. It was an accident.

Correct,
Nomadic and hunter-gatherer human society views 'the female of our enemy / not within our group or tribe' as among 'the hunted game', they're free to take, if you can 'hunt' them. This view is consistent to be found across all nomadic / hunter-gatherer society, from dessert Arabia, Europe, up to Mongolian steppes.

That's disgusting.

If you read the Hadith and Tanakh, women are among the 'spoil of war' to be taken..
The Romans, although they claimed to be the 'most civilized society' during their time, also take women from their conquered neighboring 'barbaric' tribes as spoil of war.

Another very displeasing belief by majority of the muslims. Women were actually helped, brought to the city of the Messenger probably to some refugee camp where they would get helped and could then marry a man if they agreed to it. But not have sex, they weren't simply given out to men, but men could ask for one if that man was reliable according to the Prophets judgment and if the woman wanted him as well. As you may know from the Quran, God tells Muhammed to let the captive women into a mans possession if he is good, meaning to take care of her, get married to her.

Therefore there is no such thing as women spoils of war, or attaining a slave woman as an option given to men in this world.
It is only in the case of a real war where women who had husbands end up alone and have no means to support themselves. At that point the leader, takes them to his city and controls the captives until they find a way. It has nothing to do with men taking them and having sex with them. Wow!

Heck, even as late as 1945, The Russian troop raped 2 Million Germanic women as they put a siege to Berlin!
So does the Japanese towards Chinese, Korean, Thais, Vietnamese and Malay women!

This is actually the 'default' view of our "highly civilized ancestor".

Disgusting

And I think the reason the Quran put a recommendation to women for not 'attracting any unwanted attention' (through their clothing, jewelry) is for the sole reason of THEIR OWN SAFETY and SECURITY. In other words, do not wear or do anything to attract attention from those "highly civilized gentlemen" around you.

That isn't so good, as God clearly states that men get desirous of women, and he clearly states that they should display their garments only to their husband, and that's garments, not their sexual appeal.

In similar manner as I will recommend any women to not wearing any jewelry when they're going into Detroit !
Because there's plenty of "highly civilized gentlemen" to be found there..

Of course, women should avoid dangerous situations at all times.

If the place is safe enough, feel free to dress in any manner that you want..
Dress code has nothing to do with morality.

And you do this instead of teaching women to dress modestly? Lower their gaze? Cover their breasts using the excess scarf of her head which implies is to be covered as well. To not display their garments to people other than the ppl mentioned in the Quran? And to not stomp hard so as to shake the private parts of the body?

Instead of teaching them what you should, you tell them to feel free to dress any way they want?

Dress code is part of morality, and besides it has everything to do with what God teaches his creatures.

Peace

I also say to you, no thanks, I am well served with what God has granted me. Very, very well served and I am very, very thankful to Him and to the person He has awarded me. May God bless him forever, and bless all the men who are faithful to Him and not arrogant nor boastful but, as good people and good men, are always willing to protect and help their society, rather than command others around. May God bless them always and make present to them the depth of the gratitude of the people who love them from their hearts.

Salaam

Your sincerity towards unrighteousness is not going to make it acceptable, why are you praying on a forum anyway, are you in a state of ablution? Who do you think is better according to God's opinion/judgment? Is it someone that takes the safe approach and regards the teachings of the Quran to mean what they should mean. Or someone who nullifies them, as if they were mentioned for no reason.

It is mentioned that men should teach the believing women to throw the excess of their head coverings over their breast area. How can one go from this to thinking it's completely acceptable for women to display body in a bikini to the public?

Peace

Salaam.

I have my ego, you have your ego. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Salaam

Thank God everyone is different. Cause, a wife according to your ideas? No thanks.

Peace

You are saying "the Qur'an says", but it is you who say that, not the Qur'an. It is the people who want the Qur'an to say what it does nto say who harp on an on on the Qur'an says this or that, because the Qur'an does nto day it. Because if it did, there would be no question. So it is your words. The qur'an does nto say anything about any volume, and the body of a woman, or a man is nto something to to be ashamed of nor a source of evil. That is the usual misogynistic christianity which seems to have seeped so much into the islamic mind set. Woman is not equal to sin. And a woman's body is not more an invitation to sin than a man's. And if something seems to invite us to sin, then WE, ourselves, must avoid it. We cannot make other people slaves to our whims just because we do not want to take responsibility for our own deeds.

Salaam

You are nothing close to a good example for Islam. Nice one though. Lol.

Obviously you are trying to get away with saying that the Quran doesn't speak about and also teach how to dress. As if people will find your made up facts to be more fitting for the usual lifestyle, and therefore conclude you are right. Are you serious? This is just about your ego and justifying your baseless Islamic way of life?

No one cares what you say or believe, just like you blindly state that my post isn't in accordance to the Quran. No one must correct you. People recite the Quran every morning and night. They follow all commands and they clearly know what the Book says. Not to mention that you don't seem like you would want to change your "oh so" moral ways. >

You seem rather arrogant and ignorant, nothing like Islam should be. Try not to act so smart and right about universal matters, when you are simply justifying your ignorance. Change your life and you wont need to.

P.S. The way the teachings are described in my first post on this thread is exactly how the Quran teaches, not the exact words but the same meaning. Anyone who recites the Quran, outside of curious reasons, knows this.

Remember that women are to let their head cover fall over their breast area, to conceal the size of it, you know, not the tip of the breasts or its surrounding, but obviously the size. Also they must not walk in a way that their steps shake their body so that a private part moves (you see the seriousness/graveness of wearing a bikini now?). This all means a woman should not ever go out in a bikini, but also must PROPERLY dress. Not just loose clothing, but perfect dress code according to God's teachings.

Women must conceal their hair too. Seeing how otherwise they have nothing to let fall over their breast area. Their garments are only for the husband.

Believing women are to be warned about this dress code. The thread maker and huruf seem to not know that, and instead believe the Quran is in accordance to their idea of a woman not being naked, but in a bikini, out in public is okay.

People should fulfill their own duties.

Greetings.

You believe that the Quran is God's final revelation, revealed by the final prophet, a Book which is complete on its own, and requires no outside teachings. As you may remember that every command belongs wholly to God, any command other than from the Quran is not God's, excluding other revelations during the time they were 100% reliable sources. So you also believe that the previous scriptures are correct as well, in their original form.

This is a good start. But these are after all basic principles. There is nothing to live up to about this. It is only a start to something bigger. The start to realizing the truth about your reality, your existence and what surrounds you, what is true and false beyond your understanding of certain claims and individual realities. Like how others perceive what you perceive and much more. Any super reasonable being should question Quranic facts, divine attributes of God and compare them to what's happening in their world.

For example, how do some people get saved from Hell after being very bad. While others who were lesser bad, simply never got to be saved/forgiven in the end. Even though the first one has sinned more? How does that make sense coming from a perfect God? The most merciful and compassionate? But that isn't a big deal because we know Almighty God forgives whom he wills, IF this even were to happen.

Do you believe in "Love"? That every one has a spouse reflecting the essence of their own existence? Do you think she is capable of corrupting her chances of being chaste and untouched for all eternity, for her husband of course, the one who is created for her and she for him? If you think this, then you don't know much about your own reality.

You may see women out there, and you know them to be very bad. Sinning beyond belief. How can that woman possibly ever have a love bond that people dream of? So, how can you ignore this and think YOU will have untouched women for all the time to come while she will burn forever? Even if she didn't go to Hell, the fact that this woman cannot ever in all eternity have the same relationship as an untouched woman is just unacceptable. Do you ever question this? Do you ever think about everyone being equal in the end? How could everyone in existence be equal in the end, what must there be for that to be possible?

Now you can choose to think that the women you perceive, who according to your reasoning are completely doomed and destined to Hell forever, are as real as a man in his embodied self-conscious form. And that's how almost every single human being perceives women. But it's wrong. These women in this world have nothing to do with your eternal spouse. Your eternal spouse, who exists whether you go to Hell or Heaven, is untouched, even though she is linked to everything you perceive, the women as well! What you perceive in this world is all a delusion, which you must figure out to be what it possibly could be to bring you to a conclusion of realizing the truth beyond your reality and the reality of a special living female self-aware consciousness.

One starts by avoiding certain delusions and figuring out the reality behind some others. Think of anything foul that would put an end to an eternal "Love relationship" as a delusion. The more you stay away from seeing and listening to anything that contradicts the chances of untouched love relations, the more you are doing for yourself, because it means you understand that no true female being will corrupt her chances of eternally chaste love and no female will independently burn in Hell, therefore observing any foul material means wasting time perceiving a delusion which carries a recompense because we are still responsible for our behavior.

In a nutshell, there is no true self-aware female "consciousness" that has violated her chances of having untouched love relations with her lover. But how does this make sense? Well that's why this message is posted, for you to wake up and see that the basic rules of God's religion is not all there is to existence.

A female's awareness is not like a mans, inside a brain or mind. It is free, outside of one body. A man brings his wife to Hell with him, even if he still doesn't know her true female reality by that time, he has something to figure out in Hell, except it may not matter at that point. Women (female bodies) that you know of in this world are completely different than a true female in her self-conscious form, and eventually will be freed from the universal ties of this world.

Don't even go to a woman to ask about the reality of a female existence, because no woman is in her ultimate form and therefore cannot behave like it and say anything that she could, she is basically limited. They simply reflect the matching males on this planet. They are as good as their actions, and if a very good woman were to be your wife, then the record of good actions done by this woman in correspondence to your knowledge give her more freedom to hint and lead you to her true identity, which she as a woman on earth can't possibly show or explain in this materialistic world.

It is all an unbelievably fun journey in the end, if you only could know right away. But if you still don't know, think of a woman who you wish had never sinned so that she could have been your chaste wife forever? There must be a woman out there that you want so much. Know that the things you heard weren't true, not to a degree that, she as you perceive her, has taken part in what you're hearing. This should be something to motivate you so that you think about the truth, but don't go looking for material that convinces you otherwise, that's a sin on your part and you should never look for delusions that make divine love unreal! It doesn't matter what the other men perceived her to be doing, you didn't, you see her uniquely, no one sees her the same. What they are seeing has nothing to do with your Ultimate spouse. So then your Ultimate spouse can end up in the form of that woman, because her true reality isn't universal to any man but you, nor is any woman perceived the same by more than 1 man. Your true spouse cannot even directly interact with you, certainly not with other men on this planet, at all! She won't know anything of what you may now think are her actions, done on her behalf, through her self-conscious decisions.

Peace and blessings to every reasonable being. sun