a testimony of dream? my Question to christian that they never answer is, "John Smith (a Mormon founder) had a dream thay he met Father and the Son, so they tell him to create a new kingdom in a right way" -> this is the exact same dream like another new-born again Christian that claim to met Jesus either in their dream or in reallity.

the Question is, is it possible that Jesus, Father and the Holy Ghost come to different person and tell them a different thing, even oftenly contradict each other? Like Jesus said to A that he should build a churhc, then Jesus said to B that he should stay away from A's church, and Jesus said to C that neither A & B are true, so C is the only one that jesus ever meet (whether in reallity or dream), then D said Jesus told him to convert to Hinduism. And E said Jesus along with Mary told him to come back to Catholic Church, and last, F said Jesus brought him to Heaven and make him see Pope and Sang Hyang Widhi in hell.

Salamun alaika,

He is stated and addressed as a singular person, a man.

Okay, so. he is a Man? a Person?

He was the first to become patient of expressive aphasia having suffered stroke because of fumes.

The first reported case of Expressive aphasia-Sa'mri- " no touching"

have no idea for this explanation confused

Salaam,

As per my understanding alSamiri cannot be a name as it is used with "AL" and as far as I know none of the names in alQuraan is used with al.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

so, Samiri isn't a person nor a Nation?
so what would it be? a Tittle?

Ali Imran28
Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever does that has nothing with Allah, except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the destination.

@357, what's difference between muslim and Muslim?

imagine if i tell people not to call me Muslim, but call me muslim

neither, im a MoezLiM

Thanks guys for the answer! D
it satisfy me enough

Salaam,

"We" are not Allah, because Allah is alone. Please take a look at 2011-14, it uses "I" instead of "We", Allah knows how to say I )
Please note in 2011, the one who is giving us this info is someone else .

• Musa was called.
• Called by whom? .
• Someone other than these two informing us about this incident.

Who are they? Who informed us? They are "WE". WE simply means US, it is not always referring to Malaaika , but sometimes yes, depends upon the context. Like for example

To Zachariyya, WE gave good tidings of a son, Yahya 197. Who are WE in this aayat? It is referring to Malaaika. Malaaika gave good tidings to Zachariyya of a son, Yahya 338-39. And also please check 1964.

I understand that WE are those who holds the authority from Allah; like power of attorney, to work on behalf of Him. And you already knew that power of attorney will not be given to anyone, but it is given to those who are very much reliable and loyal. So, WE includes Malaaika, Rooh, and others . WE is used simply to show a plural, and whom is it referring to depends upon the context.

To understand this properly, please take a look at 3949 and 398 and compare them, you will see what I as saying inshaAllah.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

so, the Quran is not a 100% God's word? it also words of Angels?

Wow I was shocked, there was a moderator who following Quran alone in MyQuran.

or @Andantino, are you really following Quran alone?
What's your username in MyQuran? (seng iki ra dijawab,ra popo).

I'm the starter of that thread, so my username is @antoborn.
Aku njaluk ngapuro lek aku ngepost seng ora-ora neng forum MyQuran.

it was long ago, sejak myquran masih .org kok
nick ane Gibor Neshamakh dan Opus Dei

ane mantan moderator Isagala (Islam dan agama lain) )

There is a good debate between Quranist vs Sunni Aswaja, in this tread

http//www.myquran.org/forum/index.php/topic,84207.0.html

Because you're Indonesian you will understand it too.
Just read and you will get some combat kits, and you can participate too

oh, i was a moderator of that forum D

the most important Have Faith in God and His Judgement Day

Salamualaikum

piye kabare mas'e? sesama arema nih welcome

tapi ane cuma keturunan pemuda malang, ga pernah kemalang offtopic

welcome brother, dont forget to be active on FAS (Allah semata) sama kaskus juga ada lho

i got something interesting on wikipedia about inayat khan and his sufi universalism

Foundational principles

Inayat Khan set forth ten principles that formed the foundational principles of his Universal Sufism

There is one God; the Eternal, the Only Being; None exists save He.
There is one master; the guiding spirit of all souls that constantly leads all followers toward the light.
There is one holy book; the sacred manuscript of nature, the only Scripture that can enlighten the reader.
There is one religion; unswerving progress in the right direction toward the Ideal, which fulfills every soul's life purpose.
There is one law; the law of reciprocity, which can be observed by a selfless conscience, together with a sense of awakened justice.
There is one brotherhood; the human brotherhood which unites the children of earth indiscriminately in the fatherhood of God. This was later adapted by followers to; "There is one Family, the Human Family, which unites the Children of Earth indiscriminately in the Parenthood of God."
There is one moral; the love which springs forth from self-denial and blooms in deeds of beneficence. ... (later alternative; "which springs forth from a willing heart, surrendered in service to God and Humanity, and which blooms in deeds of beneficence&quot.
There is one object of praise; the beauty which uplifts the heart of its worshipper through all aspects from the seen to the unseen.
There is one truth; true knowledge of our being, within and without, which is the essence of Wisdom.
There is one path; annihilation of the false ego in the real (later alternative; "the effacement of the limited self in the Unlimited&quot, which raises the mortal to immortality, in which resides all perfection.

Andatino, I think this is a problem with some Quranists - ultra rationalism. They fail to realise the subjective nature of logic and equate their interpretation based on their limited logic as authoritative interpretations. It's exactly the same problem with Traditional Islam. I wrote an essay on it here

http//quranology.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/dictionaries-and-grammar-old-hadith-wine-in-new-bottles/

Over the last 1-2 years, I rethought my approach and now think the Quran is more like a mirror, we attain realisations based on our station in the journey. It's a much more organic reading.

ah, so you're pak cik Farouk! D

your essay are interesting, especially on the point when you say "we don't need dictionary to understand the Quran". for some reason i might agreem but then Question popped in my Head, then how we study the Quran?

because recently im thinking, that we MIGHT BE don't need the Quran anymore to have faith to Allah the ONE TRUE GOD? pls don't call me infidel lol

For a Quranist the only Sufi path that can be followed without problems is the universal Sufism like Inayat Khan and not Sunni Sufism of the likes of Nawawi and Ghazali etc. That Sufism is a wolf in sheep's clothings.

http//www.spiritual-learning.org/message/khanindex.html

Boxer Muhammad Ali is a great fan of Inayat Khan. Inayat Khan does not follow a religious tradition but is a monotheist Sufi.

thanks bigmo, is inayat khan a Muslim?

Hi Andantino,

I am very interested in this path. I am fascinated by the mystical. However I find it very difficult to find a path into it. If you find some good resources, please share them.

Just my crazy thoughts...
JewishDude
peace Salam, Shalom, Peace peace

Shalom dude, its true! actually long ago i kinda have a trouble with this path because i saw it as a cult. You know, many sufi in my place act like a Paranormal that could see other people destiny or future, and some claim can do a miracle but they just don't want to show it.

but after i learn it from the right Sufi guy, i found it quite fascinating and beautiful, especially since i listen to their meditation Music. im a musician and i really love their composition, its so simple yet divinely beautiful.

well actually it isn't hard to find Tarekat (i don't know in english, it some kind of sufi class) in my country, but its indeed hard to find the inclusive one, because many of them required their followers to be a Sunni Muslim.

Sufism seemingly has even more sub-branches than 'standard Islam' has. Almost all claim to follow hadith very rigidly, but at the same time there seems to be little consensus amongst any of the people (that I've come across) that claim to be sufis.

A lot of sufi poetry is nice though.

you right! my sufi folks never ever get fanatic to hadith things, yet they still use some wisdom in it. They even use buddhism book and hinduism book, and.. BIBLE

but they solely holding the Quran alone as a source of all religious matters (but sometimes, they take hadith too)

Correct me if I'm wrong my brothers but, isn't a "Quranist" a Muslim who follows the teachings of the Qur'an "alone"?!
Suffis belong to different uruq or "orders"?congregations formed around a master... Which makes them, in my opinion, no different than Sunnis and Shia (followers of man-made tradition)!

Is the Qur'an not enough for you?!

Peace.

i don't know about you and all people that has some sentiment to non-Quranist group (especially to sunni-shia). But, seriously i don't have any problem to take many wisdom and good things from anywhere, and yes include sunni and shia, therefore, i don't mind to be a Quranist that follow a Sufi path. and for the Masters things, they just LEAD our "ritual" stuffs and preach some khutbah, we as a sufi doesn't have to take the masters as sunnis take the Ulamas.

I've met and discussed with plenty of people who claimed they're a Suffi.
From my perspective most of them are nice and good people.

Their 'culture' is a blend of Buddhism, thus if you want to 'follow/study their path', better start studying Buddhism as well.

Salam / Peace

my sufi folks told me to study from everywhere, since God spread His signs throughout the entire universe. and of course that include buddhism )

but me personally, i don't have any interest to buddhism.

I am a Quranist who believe in some Sufi practices. For a long time, I had some rationalist tendencies but now I realise the Quran lends itself more to a Sufi style reading rather than a bland cut and paste style rationalistic one. Sufism has much to offer Quranism, in my opinion.

A good guy to read is Ibn Arabi, especially his Fusus Al-Hikam. It's partly summarised in Sufi Metaphysics and the Quranic Prophets by Ronald Netter.

me too a Rationalist, but then i begin to rethink that being a full Rationalist cannot bring any peace for my soul and mind, therefore it seems i need to take some "mystic" way to achieve my better understanding of universe and GOD

Peace Everyone,

In my experience, those who say p.b.u.h. say it for Muhammad and not for Jonah,
or ezekiel, making distinction.

As for those who believe in GOD and His messengers, and make no distinction
among them, He will grant them their recompense. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

God Bless

peace

who is Ezekiel according to Quran?
Jonah is Yunus right?

Salam pak cik D

Greetings from your neighbour, Indonesia )

Well I understand your argument, brother and that could be one interpretation. But personally when I look at your above quoted verses

37 181 And peace be upon the messengers.
37182 And praise be to God, Lord of the worlds.

I fail to see where the verse ask ME to say 'pbuh' (peace be upon him) whenever I say a messengers name.

Peace

Yes, no one force you to say "pbuh" after you mention any Prophet. but its not prohibited too right?
its like, no one force me to do good to my neighbours, but again, is it something shameful to do good to my neighbours? of course not!

we are all Quranist Muslims, we follow and worship ONE GOD alone, but it doesn't mean we have to DISRESPECT whoever we think as a mere mortal, perhaps, those mere mortals (Prohpets, shahabah, and whoever we criticize) were much more Muslim than us.

and again, don't because i mention shahabah then you think im a sunni. No, i read the Quran and nothing inside it tells me to hate ENTIRE shahabah (Prophets Companions)

btw, sorry for intervening you discussion (or more likely a debate), just giving my 2 cents

maybe its the reason behind you drink, why would you Drink?

some people drink alcohol for healthy purpose, and some people drink for fun purpose. Quran itself as far as i know never said "its haram" as it did to pork and other haram foods, but Quran wants us to THINK

Andantino, the reason Jews reject Jesus is that he didn't complete the mission of the messiah. The messiah is supposed to install a king in Jerusalem and there will be peace and more importantly, the whole world will realize the G-d of the Jews is the true G-d and worship him. Don't get hung up on the details of exactly who they were looking for. But you should see that we don't have world peace and not everyone agrees that the G-d of the Jews is the true G-d. As for Muhammad??? There is no consistent response to him. My personal opinion is that Jews don't accept Muhammed as a prophet since the Rabbis "closed the door to prophecy" right after Jesus. However they dated it before Jesus so that he couldn't be a prophet.

where can i find the criteria of Messiah according to Judaism?
Old testament? or Talmud?

As for Prophet Muhammad, i thought messiah in judaism should've been a Solomon's descendant, therefore, the messiah should be a Jew, and Prophet Muhammad isn't a jew as far as i know.

about Jesus, is there any judaism book stated that Jesus taught people that he is a God himself? i mean during his lifetime
i heard from Christians that Trinity itself has been described in old testament, how you as a jew (Reformed one) see that argument? is it true that Trinity has a basis EVEN A LITTLE in OT?

I think that Muhammed is a prophet who is teaching the same message that preceding prophets taught. Since I was raised as a Reform Jew I have problems with Hadith just like I have problems with Talmud. I don't like people telling me what to believe/behave and then judging me on it. With that said... I agree with a lot of Hadith and Talmud. I just don't consider it binding. To me the Hadith shows me how people have approached understanding the Quran. That doesn't mean I have to agree with them. But understanding how people have thought about it adds color and flavor to the way I understand it, even when I disagree with them.

For example... To me the prohibition on music is insane. It is sooooo derived that it is impossible to believe that Allah doesn't want us to listen to music. I understand where the prohibition came from and how someone could arrive at that conclusion. I just do a sanity check (which I never claim to be sane) and it doesn't pass.

Just my crazy thoughts...
JewishDude
peace Salam, Shalom, Peace peace

to be honest, currently i have problem not only with hadith, i also have problem with all three abrahamic holy book, and yes, its include the Quran. Although i still believe and convinced that the Quran is the most "Clean" book compared with any other 2 (clean from hijackery).