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Meaning I was the last one to respond to the point of the thread.

When God says I created the human being, He obviously means the continuous creating of human beings. Clear enough?

There are multiple objects in your example. But as an individual object, such as the earth or a human (singular), something was created and it persists, but the act of creation is in the past. Nice try, but sorry. It doesn't work. Go try another one. I know you have an endless supply. The creativity of a young boy is endless.

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I have already told you that words can have several meanings.

No, you are hiding. Can I mean two different things at the same time when i say a word? I know a word can have two different definitions. But can I simultaneously mean two different things when I utter one word one time? Am I telling you two different things at one time? And the answer is, no. Words can have two meanings, but an utterance of the word can only have one. It has to be ONE of the meanings for the word, not two at the same time.

So therefore, that verse cannot simultaneously reference orbit and outer space at the same time or in the same exact utterance. So you're going to have to pick one. Is it outer space or orbit?

After doing your mystics, how did it "suddenly" become a completely different book? Did it still contain the same errors? How did it almost make you giggle?

Oh, that one. Yes, it still contained errors. So what? It's a recounting of events. The errors or discrepancies don't affect the meaning as far as I'm concerned. Remember, as I keep saying, it's not the Gospel of Jesus, it's the Gospel according to (fill in the apostle's name). There is nothing that is being hidden about that fact. Not one single Christian will tell you that Jesus wrote the Gospels, or if they do, they are wrong. The titles clearly say it all right in front of you. According to Mark, or Luke, etc etc....meaning their recall and inspiration from God. We learn about Jesus not by being told specifically what to think about him, but by what occurs and what he said in the stories, or recountings. Who cares if there is a contradiction about the fig tree, That would probably happen with two different people's recall. But it was supposed to represent a larger deeper meaning anyway, so the exact details really aren't very important. If one is seeing every little detail of the New Testament, then one is not grasping the deeper meaning the New Testament.

Billions have read it and found it full it full beauty, deep concepts etc.

Show me one.

The core message of the Quran is in 6151-160.

006.151
YUSUFALI Say "Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from" Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.

Don't kill somebody unless they deserve it.

006.152
YUSUFALI And come not nigh to the orphan's property, except to improve it, until he attain the age of full strength; give measure and weight with (full) justice;- no burden do We place on any soul, but that which it can bear;- whenever ye speak, speak justly, even if a near relative is concerned; and fulfil the covenant of Allah thus doth He command you, that ye may remember.

Don't touch an orphan's property except to add to it until he gets older. Are these orphans from battle?

006.153
YUSUFALI Verily, this is My way, leading straight follow it follow not (other) paths they will scatter you about from His (great) path thus doth He command you. that ye may be righteous.

Do what I say.

006.154
YUSUFALI Moreover, We gave Moses the Book, completing (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining all things in detail,- and a guide and a mercy, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.

God gave Moses a book that showed him the way

006.155
YUSUFALI And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy

Torah or Quran? It's not clear. I think somehow that it quickly switched to the Quran

006.156
YUSUFALI Lest ye should say "The Book was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by assiduous study"

006.157
YUSUFALI Or lest ye should say "If the Book had only been sent down to us, we should have followed its guidance better than they." Now then hath come unto you a clear (sign) from your Lord,- and a guide and a mercy then who could do more wrong than one who rejecteth Allah's signs, and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away.

Now there are no excuses as Allah has finally delivered the right, non tamperable book, so pay sparse attention to the past scriptures for they are corrupted and replace them with the Quran

006.158
YUSUFALI Are they waiting to see if the angels come to them, or thy Lord (Himself), or certain of the signs of thy Lord! the day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith. Say "Wait ye we too are waiting."

Are they expecting to see miracles? That's not going to happen. The Quran is the miracle and that is sufficient. Reference the infamous phrase, if the mountain will not come to Muhammad, then Muhammad will go to the mountain.

006.159
YUSUFALI As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least their affair is with Allah He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.

Don't break up into sects

006.160
YUSUFALI He that doeth good shall have ten times as much to his credit He that doeth evil shall only be recompensed according to his evil no wrong shall be done unto (any of) them.

God has an accountant and a points redemption system

You did not answer the questions.

What questions?

Even the fanatic Christians admit to deep concepts in the Quran.

Who?

Even the fanatic Christians admit to deep concepts in the Quran. It'd be a waste of time explaining them to you.

there aren't any to waste your time with. I've read it.

You clearly lost it.

And repeat. I'd say last I checked, the ball was in your court.

It has more than one meaning. To orbit, to run, to imagine, to swim etc...

More than one at the same time or same instance? ;D ;D

Which does not contradict science anyway.

So what, the Quran is not talking about a continually expanding earth. That's the point. At best, it means that the earth has remained expanded after it was initially expanded. So your attempted twist to relate the Quran to modern science doesn't work. Why do you keep trying stuff like this? Are you proud to just pull anything you can imagine out of your pocket and throw it against the wall in hopes that some of it sticks? I'm not amused because it wastes time.

It is you who are falling into stonewall.

And repeat.

It means to orbit as well.

Oh, so it means both words at the same time. Not a duel meaning word, but a word that means two things simultaneously. ;D ;D That's pretty cross eyed, wouldn't you say?

It isn't "if you hear something", it is "if you steal a hearing".

;D Same thing. If you hear one of heaven's conversations or you steal one, it's pretty much the same thing. Remember, these are conversations that we are talking about, not objects. The moment you hear it, you have stolen a hearing.

But you're the one trying to say "jinn are chased by meteors", not the Quran...

I disagree, and I explained precisely why. And, if you would like, I can show you multiple Muslim websites that concur that these verses were talking about meteorites. It's pretty obvious.

1529, 329, and other verses clearly show humans are special, living entities, where is this for jinn? Nothing in that article. That's already been addressed. I don't care whether "most Muslims would agree" either. All you've said is "waah, no fair" and "waah, that's off" and "waaha, you nutjob", show me where jinn are directly said to be alive. Put up, or shut up.

Did you even read it? The entire article was entirely about the jinn. See why I start to question your coherence? OK, but you'll just deny that as something that other Muslims think, so to the Quran it is. I'm amazed you don't know this. Jinn a living thing? Of course it is, and it's all over the Quran.

6128 One day will He gather them all together, (and say) "O ye assembly of jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men." Their friends amongst men will say "Our Lord! we made profit from each other but (alas!) we reached our term - which thou didst appoint for us." He will say "The Fire be your dwelling-place you will dwell therein for ever, except as Allah willeth." for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge

6130 "O ye assembly of jinns and men! came there not unto you apostles from amongst you, setting forth unto you My signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say "We bear witness against ourselves." It was the life of this world that deceived them. So against themselves will they bear witness that they rejected Faith

7179 Many are the jinns and men we have made for Hell They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided for they are heedless (of warning)

11119 Except those on whom thy Lord hath bestowed His Mercy and for this did He create them and the Word of thy Lord shall be fulfilled "I will fill Hell with jinns and men all together

1527 And the jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind

1788 Say "If the whole of mankind and jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an,.........

1850 Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam" They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord.

2717 And before Solomon were marshalled his hosts,- of jinns and men and birds, and they were all kept in order and ranks

2739 Said an 'Ifrit, of the jinns "I will bring it to thee before thou rise from thy council

3213 If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance but the Word from Me will come true, "I will fill Hell with jinns and men all together.

3412 And to Solomon (We made) the Wind (obedient) Its early morning (stride) was a month's (journey), and its evening (stride) was a month's (journey); and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him; and there were jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire

3414 Then, when We decreed (Solomon's) death, nothing showed them his death except a little worm of the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his staff so when he fell down, the jinns saw plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in the humiliating Penalty (of their Task)

3441 They will say, "Glory to Thee! our (tie) is with Thee - as Protector - not with them. Nay, but they worshipped the jinns most of them believed in them.

37158 And they have invented a blood-relationship between Him and the jinns but the jinns know (quite well) that they have indeed to appear (before his Judgment- Seat)!

4125 And We have destined for them intimate companions (of like nature), who made alluring to them what was before them and behind them; and the sentence among the previous generations of jinns and men, who have passed away, is proved against them; for they are utterly lost.

4129 And the Unbelievers will say "Our Lord! Show us those, among jinns and men, who misled us We shall crush them beneath our feet, so that they become the vilest (before all).

4618 Such are they against whom is proved the sentence among the previous generations of jinns and men, that have passed away; for they will be (utterly) lost.

4629 Behold, We turned towards thee a company of jinns (quietly) listening to the Qur'an when they stood in the presence thereof, they said, "Listen in silence!" When the (reading) was finished, they returned to their people, to warn (them of their sins)

5156 I have only created jinns and men, that they may serve Me

5533 O ye assembly of jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass

5539 On that Day no question will be asked of man or jinn as to his sin.

5556 In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or jinn before them has touched

5574 Whom no man or jinn before them has touched

721 Say It has been revealed to me that a company of jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital!

726 'True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the jinns, but they increased them in folly

Whew !!! That was a long one. ;D At this point, i would say that the Quran thinks they are living beings. What do you think? I had no idea why you would think the jinn are not referred to as living beings, which is why I start to detect some imbalance or something.

Blithering apostate, ;D. It isn't "complex language", it's the easiest way to get to the point. Somehow I get the feeling I struck a nerve somewhere. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to think what the word "passive" or whatever means in context.

You didn't strike a neverve, you're merely annoying by constantly referring to active and passive when it really doesn't matter. It's an irrelevant side point. A distraction.

Regardless, the original topic, that "jinn" are chased by "meteors" is pure horses***.

You can call it whatever you want, but I know what those verse say and even most Muslims agree with this, as per the posted article from a respected Muslim website. So you can hiss, poo poo or do any other objecting you want, but those verse don't say what you need them to say, and it's not horse *** in the least. Why don't you tell me what else fits the following qualifications.

1. In the sky

2. Bright for us to see

3. Pursuing or flying across the sky.

So you tell me what else fits that bill, and make it good. My interpretaion works perfectly with the verses. Those verse all match shooting stars perfectly in every way.

This is just a diversion on your part. The fact of the matter is that the word cannot be tied specifically to "meteor", or even worse, "shooting stars", because it refers to the lowest heaven adorned with planets, last I checked, the sky isn't adorned with planets.

;D Well, all the other translators say "stars", but either way, it doesn't really matter. 675 calls them lamps. Do you think lamps are referring to planets? Could you please think these things out a little more before you post them?

Nope.

Well, perhaps you can give me a few deep concepts.

Where did you get that? The process of stealth or the process of theft or both, or whatever, could easily cause it.

If you hear something, then this sets off a chemical reaction? Oh come on. I told you, I'm not entertaining your imagination forever. Plausible, not possible. Possible is stupid to bring up. Plausible is relevant.

You said entities that have the ability to cloak themselves, implying living beings, I want to know what these entities are ;D.

Ask the Quran and the Hadiths. I don't know why you're asking me. Here, here's a good article all about the Jinn from a very respected Muslim website.

http//thetruereligion.org/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=55

Good to see you caught on and are now using unadulterated meanings instead of Arnold's Lexicon and Tafsir Ibn Arnold ;D

Caught on to what? I'm merely trying to play it from your angle. Most other Muslims I've talked to would consider you to be a blithering apostate, so don't go around thinking you have the correct standard and that people should finally catch on. Look, I'll tell you this very simply. You're not particularly bright and the jargon you hide behind does not particularly impress me, and people do not usually speak in the most complex fashion they can unless they want to show people they are smart, and the people that usually do this are actually hiding the fact that they really aren't particularly smart when it come down to it. So I have no idea why you keep thinking you're being clever, when all you are doing is inventing less than plausible "possibilities". Start giving me something plausible, rather than the bounds of your imagination, OK?

It's implausible if "jinn" are living beings. Now show me where "jinn" are living beings. By your admission, jinn means "to conceal" or "concealed".

Sura 72 Al-Jinn. Seems like living beings to me. In fact, some even become Muslims. Dude, you are way off. I don't even think most Muslims would agree with you either. Am I having a conversation with a whack job? I hope not.

He has extended is past?

Yes, it speaks of an action that has already taken place. It can remain extended, but the action of extending has already taken place. This is going nowhere.

Any of them makes sense, especially in Arabic, and even in English. I hear it someimes on TV.

So now, you're just going to repeat yourself and fall into stonewall mode. OK.

It can mean to swim, which in this context means to orbit.

Okay, so the Quran never tells us the things orbit at all. It tells us that these things swim in outer space. That does not denote a circular path in the least. So we have absolutely no mention of a circular path. Keep diggin that hole.