Peace

I notice how Enquirer says we should all be allowed to say whatever we want on this forum and be anyone should be able to post whereever they want, and then says any ideas cited to help this forum would be used only to limit peoples freedon and create division, however Enquirers very first suggestion about this thread discussing this issue was" what a useless thread, i say to delete it" that sounds hypocritical to me.

We must say wathever we want if wathever we say respect our interlocutors. It's not always what we can see these last months.

Inch'allah tomorrow will be better group

Peace

Salam

the solution is simply to respect the law of this forum.

Reading some threads, it seems that some persons like the conflicts and want to disrupt the project of etablishing PEACE.

We can to be in disagreement with the ideas of someone but we don't leave emotions to drive our reason because if we do it, we leave shayeteens to win the spirit of the muslim community present on this forum.

It doesn't mean that it's forbidden to make fun between us but in the respect of everybody.
Nobody is superior at another one! We are all students of the truth and we are the same goal but use several roads.

Peace

Peace,

However, I'm still trying to get around your idea that we are all mini-gods and we just have to tap into that power to become divine. It reminds of those 5%ers ... Please explain because I don't think that's compatible with quranic teachings in the least.

Many scientifics people have taught this relationship between God and the humans by the Subconscious Rested(Supported) by biblical verses.

It can be interesting to refer at the Qu'ran to show the truths which contains the Bible and the Qu'ran.

Peace

Peace

is it the same thing that the soufism?

Peace bilal76. I believe some illusions/falsehoods are universal,and so are some truths....
It would be interesting to list a number of universal truths,and a number of universal falsehoods...
eg helping children is universally true...
And harming people for no reason,is universally bad...
peace all.

Peace enquirer,

who makes the normality and the limits of universal values?
Who decide if an action is acceptable as human or inhuman?

Peace enquirer and all,

How can we reject illusions and falsehood if it is not a universal concept?

in function of the beliefs, the truth and illusions are not the same.

God is one...Truth must be one too

Peace Enquirer and all,

an illusion for someone can be the reality for others persons and the the reality for someone can be an illusion for others persons.

Can you explain what is your definition of reality?

Peace all,

to bilal - why do you look at western societies and say that quran is the remede ? shouldn't one start in front of one"s door ? well; i guess this is my western self being touched...may be i got contaminated by this great discussion )

Peace Elke and all,

Maybe it's me who have a bad image of the american society.

Violence, drugs, cult of money, excessive consummation of foods and soda, cult of body, suicide, etc...

I think that the solutions are in the quran.

the society can't reform herself if any persons don't take conscience of their responsability.

but we must not to take quran like idol but take the great idea in consultation with the experiences and reasoning power of anybody work to the peace.

Peace all,

the quran is not close, the verb of god continue to write the evolution of humanity. All muslims can contribute to look for the truth taking in consideration their experience of life.

It's difficult to etablish an islamic society without solid source. When we look the occidental society, we can see that the remed is in the quran.

We must consult us to guive at the quran the veritable function of guide of humanity.

Peace be upon you Bilal,
So you are saying that dawn and dusk salaat are just saying its time to get up and go to sleep?

Peace idolfree1

I just try to understand your point of view of salat because your concept of programming with the time is not clear for me.

Paddle? I dont understand what you wrote.

Sorry, it's not paddle but dawn

Sorry i will try to explain what I understand of your position about salat.

Salat ' Icha is the fact for a human to relax the body and spirit by the sleep at the favourable time i.e. in harmony with the darkness of the night in order to make a final result of the day and preparing the arrival of the dawn.

Salat Fajr is the fact for a human to begin the activity at the same moment as the arrival of the dawn. Ideal moment to harmonize the waking body and spirit with daylight announcing the beginning of a new day.

Does it more clear?

What is salat asr? All I see is fajr and isha, where are you getting "asr"?

Sorry I would say salat of middle

(2547) And He is who made/put for you the night (as) a cover/dress, and the sleep (for) rest/sleep , and He made/put the daytime (for) revival .

the "Muhsiniin" are definite here

They used to sleep but little of the night,

show that it's important for us to sleep at night whearas seems to show the opposite. Don't you see a contradiction?

Or maybe my understing is bad.

Peace be upon you Bilal,

Programming deals with the IMPREGNATION of the spirit(nafs) by the Will. I will give you the metaphor of the man and woman. The man (the will) can give seed at any time. The woman(spirit/nafs) is based on a CYCLE, and cannot always except the seed. But you already know this, you know there is something that you say "this time I'm gonna do it", but you don't. Thats because there are TIMES when the "nafs" is more receptive than others.

The merging of will and spirit (day and night) are the times given to us for salaat. The nighttime is for sleeping and the daytime we have other duties.
We need a balance between wakefulness and sleep to get the optimal receptive mode.

So yes, we can do this at any time, but its bes to obey the cycles for optimal performance, just like the farmer uses cycles to grow food.

Peace

For you

Salat fajr = programming between the fact of to find energy necessary to start a new day and the arrival of the paddle which marks the transition between the end night and the beginning day.

Salat 'Icha = programming between the arrival of the tiredness which announces fallen the night and thus the suitable moment to rest by the sleep.

I tested of summary what I have understand. tell me if I am mistaken

Salat 'Asr can means rest of after midday but there isn't a programming with the night or the day. How do you explain that?

Many verses seem to contradict the idea that the night is exclusiv made to
sleep. and others...

Peace,

There are several idioms in the reading which taken literally would imply TWO elements but actually mean much more.

Examples...

EAST & WEST (eg. 7040) - does not mean just these two directions, but all the directions between them.

SUMMER AND WINTER (eg. 1062) - means throughout the year; ie all seasons.

HEAVENS AND THE EARTH (eg. 2255) - does not mean just the sky and earth but every space and body in the universe including other planets for example.

TWO ENDS OF THE DAY (11114) - can mean and implies throughout the day continuously.

These must be understood as idiomatic phrases. There are many other idioms in the reading that commonly lead to difficulties in extracting the correct meaning.

Regards.

idiom |dm|
noun

a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words (e.g., rain cats and dogs, see the light).

Peace truth

thanks for participation. I understand your position. Can you translate with the light of idiom which you refer.

I mean the process of "burning" a habit into your subconcious so that you change your behavior. Just like in school how you use repitition to "burn" an answer to a question in your subconscious so that when you call on it the subconscious will bring it to your awareness. Just like how many of us can remember the phone number of thier home they grew up in.

Peace idolfree1

According to your understing of "salat", it can be practice at any hour of the day than Can you tell me why the salat is prescribed at hours determined in particular the morning and the evening?

Peace be upon you,

I would like to discuss the grammar rules of the prefix "MU" in "Koranic" Arabic.

From a layman (myself), it appears that when the prefix "MU" is added to a word, it means that the person or thing serves as a vehicle for the word. (i.e. one who...)

Please help me list some of the words like;

mushrikeena
musalleen
mu'minoon
masjid

etc.

Peace idolfree1,

J-M-' => MAJMOUW'
SH-R-B => MASHROUWB
K-T-B => MAKTOUB
KKH-L-Q => MAKKLOUQ
Q-T-L => MAQTOUL
'-R-F => MA'ROUWF
S-K-N => MASKOUWN
F-T-H => MAFTOUWH
S-L-M => MOUSLIMOUN
D-R-S => MOUDARRISOUWN
K-B-R => MOUTAKABBIROUWN

Why some words use the prefixe "Mu" whearas others are composed of the prefixe "Ma". Somebody can explain the difference

thanks,

Peace be upon you Bilal76,

Peace be upon you idolfree1

The limits of universal law? It is the God who creates this structure, humans are subject to it. I hope I answered that question, I am not sure I understood what you were asking, please advise.

I talk about the limit of permission to do something. The interpretation of the laws can be different according to the perception of the people. The risk is that somebody can considered something "haram" whereas an other person don't see the bad thing which justifies the "haram".
Sorry for my bad english. Tell me if i did mistake in my language in order to correct it.

Peace

Peace be upon you idolfree and all.

Peace be upon you Bilal76,

Thank you for the respect and I will try to answer your questions. First though, I must adress the premise that is already assumed when we say "revealed to Muhammad". There is no proof that there was a "Muhammad", but the context of the word "muhammadun" througthout is a vehicle of "hamd". But we can speak more on that in a thread I intend to start today regarding the prefix "MU".

Maybe that M-HAMMAD is built on the same basis as MU-SALLIN.
To tell the truth it is too early for the statement because I control
not yet well the Arab language.

Because that is the book we are here discussing. However, this is not the only book I study, so we can discuss universal laws on several different levels. As "Koran" states, we are to trust in that which descended upon us AND THOSE BEFORE US. Therefore to say that the God's Words (which never run out) are confinesd to 114 chapters is aganst its own message.

according to you is "the Koran" only one means of distinguishing the
laws universal among others? correct me if I am mistaken

Sure, if you have no means of aquiring sustenance that is healthy and nutricious.

put besides this situation, the flesh of pig is not allowed?

Neither, the universe is set up in a way that all things are interdependent with each other. Therefore we can weigh and measure all things according to thier relationships. To measure something is an act of SEEING, versus hearing about something (hearsay). So it is OBJECTIVE, and therefore not subject to personal opinion.

who fixes the common limits not to exceed? Think that the limits
differ according to people's or that these limits are fixed by The
Law?

The "nabi" are those that intuit knowledge from within. They "intuit" the proper relationships of things. One must attain a high degree of spiritual development to reach this level. Anyone who passes on the information that has been intuited, wether it is the "intuiter" or someone else, they are described as a messenger(rasool), one who is sent.

would it be possible for you to support your understing of the
nabi by the Koran? thank you in advance

Furher, many of the names have more meaning to them in regards to the text. Like "muhammadun" which means one who is a vehicle of "hamd"(exaltation). Then there is Solomon, whose root is "peace"(S-L-M), giving us a clue owards understanding "his" story.

it could be interessent to referer for all the verses referant itself with SOLOMON
to see whether this assumption can be checked.

Thanks

Peace enquirer

Peace bilal76. How about taking every situation as it comes,and try to think of the best thing to do which causes the least harm to yourself and others. Peace.

The problem is that people took to them Mollah like divinities and want to impose their ideas. But one must pay great attention not
to be criticized or insult their divinities (Mollah) for fear by
ignorance they insult Allah

you understand where is the difficulty?

Salaam Alleikum MQuran

I certainly will read Dr. Shabbir book.

Salaam Alleikum /JM/

The problem with Dr. Shabbir Ahmed and the people asscociated with him that they believe Dr. Shabbir is free of all errors. They believe that QXP is the only translation. The other problem with Dr. Shabbir Ahmed is that he can't tolerate any crticism. There you have to agree with everything Dr. Shabbir write.

Peace

and yet one does not have the impression that it imposes its ideas
when one read his introduction of which here an extract

Like all other humble works of mine, this book is based on research by a lifelong,
fallible student, Shabbir Ahmed. It has taken much time and labor as the
discerning readers and writers can tell. While the author assures the readers of
his intellectual honesty, he is always liable to make mistakes and projects no
claims whatsoever. The reader may not agree with any part(s) of this book or
even in its entirety. The strength of this work may indeed dwell in the fact that it
leaves plenty of room for the reader's own rationale and judgment to accept or
dismiss any statements made by this author or the ancient "authorities". Criticism
from any quarters will always be welcome and appreciated and any errors will be
corrected in the second edition with sincere gratitude.

Peace

Peace,

In this article, it is interressant to note the fact that to take the moon as reference for the fast allows to all the people to fast the same month and every season. I liked this universal side of this analysis.

What you or I like doesn't matter when it comes to the truth. What matters is what The God is telling us in the great reading. There is nothing in the great reading that says that we should follow a purely lunar calendar or that the fast is at different times each year and there is no evidence in the great reading or anywhere that the prophet used to fast at different times each year as you would like to do.

If not according to you ayman, to which period of the calendar gregorian corresponds "SH' AR RAMADHAN"? Is this period it same the all year? Do all the people meet this period or this regulation is valid only for those which observe this period?

For the answer to your questions, please see
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm

Peace,

Ayman

Peace

Ayman you say in your article that

"the full-moon around the summer solstice is special because it follows a lower path across the sky compared to the rest of the year's full moons and for some reason our brains are wired to perceive such full-moons as larger than normal."

Can Ayman you provide us evidence of what you advance?

Why don't you expressed last year at the time of the summer solstice to
recall that the abstinence begins?

how translate if shahr does not mean "month"

Can you explain this passage

"Another interesting connection is in 2187, which talks about the night of the abstinence ("laylat al-siyam") in which we may approach our wives and eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn and then complete the abstinence until the night (i.e., until sunset since night starts being merged into day at sunset - for example see 2261). We already established that abstinence is then for ten days. In Chapter 89 we also hear about the dawn and then 10 nights"

Which is the relationship between the abstinence of which you speak
and the fact of being able to approach our wives, to eat and drink
until the white wire is distinct from the black wire of the paddle.

Does the relationship between couple have a bond with the laws of
hunting?

I just try to understand your article because my English language isn't very good. I test to understand your interpretation.

Peace.