Is this so hard for you to understand @ DrGm, or you deliberately playing dumb here?

pls ref my answer to mmkhan

Salaam brother,

I have a question.
Do those patients who were already cured will return to him again for any other illnesses?

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

peace mmkhan,

it is prayer healing, the patients need to know what is it. the first thought of anyone who hears it is they compare with the christian prayer healing. but it is not. may be i don't know a correct word in english. so the patient's are taught what is God? what is disease? why we get disease? how it gets cured?

these questions are normally cleared when some one attend the meetings which are free to public. many who come to the meetings to hear the teachings do not even meet drfazl and when i discuss with them they are leading a life without any medicines even paying a single penny to drfazl. drfazl do not know them, but they know drfazl.

only who want to meet drfazl privately come to his clinic, they pay for witnessing the sign of healing. what he teach in the meeting is free when they come to him privately for the same they are paying. even though he is doctor, now he has only quran and God with him. so, God brings him patients. if a patient returns to him it is only to strengthen his belief in God? many people are ready to pay even their entire wealth (patients tell this) to modern medicine to see a cure, but they didn't find a cure for any disease, they only lost their organs. but when they come to drfazl they want it free because it is only a prayer for them like many here. after seeing this for a long time he was guided by 9.103 only this time he in the public meeting announced his fees is 2000USD to motivate them to spend. the same time he announced in freeminds also. people here started to think as usual he must have huge wealth milking by prayer for so many years and so many patients. their jealous fires their belly so they can't comprehend. because they have not met a single servant of God who is truthful to God. there was a hue and cry here too but after seeing what is happening they understood.

drfazl teaches quran the way he lives. whoever comes to the meeting regularly you can see them they removed their religious identities be a muslim, or a christian or a hindu or an atheist. they wish to become humans instead of religious divisions. hindus takes quran, christians takes quran, atheist takes quran and muslims takes quran to read in their native language first time to understand. many with their families turning towards Allah against all accusations more than what you see in this forum. it is a peaceful renaissance shielded from the disbelievers eyes (yet they call themselves believers as in the aforesaid periods) by Allah. unless you see by your own you will not understand what is happening by the Grace of Allah.

may we be protected from shaitan who puts us doubts in believers.

lol, do you not understand that he has no right to "sell prayers" whatsoever? If Allah is doing the work, what does he deserve any money for? Is the idea that "Allah does not listen to the people, but listens to drfazl because of some special quality of drfazl which the people lack"? This is like the "saint worship" then, making drfazl an intercessor with God "he will intercede on my behalf, drfazl's prayers are heard when I pay him 2000USD, whereas when I pray, my prayers are not heard, so I will pay drfazl to pray for me so that he intercedes with Allah on my behalf".

Do you understand what you are saying and doing?

do you understand my post and do you ponder your above sayings? do you?

I think, if you make the concoction of herbal tea and selling that product,

then such job is much better and honorable than selling the prayers.

you are equating prayers of a God alone servant to selling a tea? and then lowering the prayer.

61.10 - O! ye who believe, shall i inform you to a business that will save you from painful disgrace?

prayer healing is a business with God alone.

So, the prayer can be sold?

*facepalm

Why not he insisted to them for not paying him?

Or why he still concerned with "the rest (of the money)"?

what is that *facepalm. i do not understand.

did you read my post fully. that which brought your attention is only the payment part. think for a while no need to tell me. why your attention went only into that? there was other things which you have not come across in your life probably. no bad intention pls.

did i say he is concerned with the rest of the money? drfazl insists that they fear Allah, so he do not keep account of it. also he do not know whether the patient is lying that they have not enough money. if at all they pay they pay only to fulfill their word. like many here who want to get cure by prayers but wish need not pay for their cure; there are many in Tamilnadu also.

do you really think you can sell prayers? everyone pray here, can anyone show a sign of healing? and can you sell it? will anyone believe? all questions you have no answers. this is a sign from Allah to His servant. will you then understand?

Wow, so the criminal only provides 2 minutes for 2000USD for "praying"?

You are truly an admirer of an evildoer if you support this criminality.

DrGm, you don't seem as evil as him, so stop supporting him, you must leave this madness and abide closely to what I am showing you and saying, otherwise you may be cast into the fire along with him as a "follower" and because he promotes shirk by saying "Allah did not create all things". Cease and desist, this isn't a game.

now anyone can understand your jealous. this jealous brings you haste and it shows how you read. you are accusing based on assuming. when my postings say drfazl was doing acupuncture and his time with the patient is 2 mins then. you have assumed below your nose and started accusing. that was not prayer healing. have patience, think for a while what you are doing.

Where is your trust in Allah to provide you, that you support the asking of 2000USD from people or ANY PAYMENT WHATSOEVER for "prayers" and religious teaching?

This is a grave sin, and those who support it are also among the sinners, so flee from the support of drfazl if you know what is best and can do it.

can you support me with quran for the above. moreover you have not read the answers by drfazl to AW (reply 743). it clears your question.

USD 2000 is even expensive for the middle class earners. And you take such from the poor (who barely have the basics never mind the excess!) who themselves are deserving of the charity!? Whether your method works or not - I can't comment on it anyway as I have no proof. But as far as what you charge as "charity" from the deserving of the same in the first place, You do a grave injustice.

when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.

whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.

now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.

he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.

please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.

they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.

when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.

he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.

9103 Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and make contact with them; for your contact is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.

If you read the Quran which is supposed to be read in its context in the first place, then it is obvious this verse is directed at prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

if this verse do not fit in any context other than this is as good as nullified.

Even more sin it is to hurt a blessed person, because they have the favor of God. God protects those held dear.

That is indeed a message to be reflected upon.

Be well

true

2000 USD - it is a riddle now, when people do not have good thinking ( for this you need quran as guidance) they only choose the wrong as right. if you think rightly with the postings of drfazl you will understand the truth about 2000 USD. let it be a riddle. let the unright curse with their hasty decision. i can say you have wrongly concluded.

3.193 ?Our God, surely we believed heeding to the call of him who called us to the path of belief, saying ?Believe in your God?. Our God, forgive us our sins; and drive away from us our evil; and capture our souls with the enlightened.?

...?do you always take what people say in this forum about who they are or do or any other claim as proven facts?

There is nothing easier than pretending without having to show your face or prove whatever....
Salaam

@ DrGm, I hope that you're not following him (drfazl) blindly

Peace.

peace,

3.132 Obey Allah and the messenger; you will be rewarded mercy.

i see drfazl in this 3.132; he is the light bearer following quran, an example in front of my eyes. 3.132 i follow, so whoever follows 3.132 look close. my family, i tell them follow 3.132.

i meet drfazl to strengthen my belief in Allah alone, i have not read quran before i met him; the world around us and the knowledge whatever i have make difficult to live Allah alone. strengthening is unlearning the knowledge. he helps me unlearning; and shows how to use quran in day to day life. quran helps becoming human not scholar.

i see him guiding whoever comes to him to Allah and quran. whoever gets guidance towards the book, they understand how their problems solve. they come back to his meetings/clinic to strengthen their belief in Allah alone.

I doubt that the amount of believers (true ones) could reach thousands nowadays.

thousands in 700 millions, in their various stages of their journey towards Allah alone. true ones you said, they are ones who wish to live true. only God can certify the level of truthfulness.

Are you also a doctor?

i learnt acupuncture/acutouch practiced, taught and left when i understood it is not the system that heals but Allah.

Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!

...
There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts.

quran say this
2.172 O you who believe! Eat of the good provisions We have provided for you. And if it is Allah whom you obey, be grateful to Him.

26.79 - It is He who gives me food; and it is He who gives my drink

and says this

26.80 - when i am ill; it is He who Heals me

quran guides us to eat; so not a shirk when you buy a bread. its shirk, only when you took the trader or anyone or anything for sustenance. do not say that is not intended. but the quran never said take medical help, its shirk. i know, almost all save some, shirk medical systems; this is hard for everyone who do not believe Allah alone. either you need proof in person to believe by the leave of Allah or Allah may make you a proof. anyway in this one is little easy path.

Allah Alone is His will, if you wish for it - it is there by His will. He will guide you individual, in your own pace. if you do not wish?

There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts.

I did not answer any of those questions pertaining to how the matter (extramarital affair) is judged by God. You did. I never made such conclusions on behalf of God as I have no knowledge of it at all, and I fear God that I be of the wrong-doers. And I have said what I wanted to say with no intention of going into foolish arguments.

3.23 Beheld not thee ? those to who We had given a limited wisdom of the Book? They are called upon for the justice with total wisdom of Allah; but a party of them turns away; it is they who are averse.

I am not defending drfazl, it's easy to see what he and his following are up to - the classic medical science wars (western vs eastern medicine, traditional vs modern, Allopathy vs Homeopathy) and mixing beliefs in the competition for gaining a customer base.

thanks for judging! that 'gaining customer base'?; and 'are up to' . keep it up, great find.

classical medical science wars?.. this is what you are able to see in the posts.

mixing beliefs!? in the competition... when the need is filled by Allah alone, who is the competitor? can you understand what Allah alone meant here bro.

quran will be made easy to understand

92.7 - to him We make easy that is simple

this him is

92.5 - so, who distribute, live humble

92.6 - upholds the good

quran will be made easy to, not to understand

92.10 - to him We make easy the path of hardship

this him is

92.8 - but, who withholds and find him needless

92.9 - and deceive the good

He can do us as much wrong as he wants, we are His. He is nobody's.

Salaam al Quddus

peace,

my God never do this to me... not to anyone; nor do i find any support from quran.

Peace,

Some people believe that everything even wrong and evil is also from Allah and they don't fear to say such lies upon Allah. &

peace bro,

agree