Peace muslims and all.

Indeed it's about how we get "salvation" according to the Quran.Just believe in Allah, do good deed (262), and became muttaqin (2177).

salaam all

Iblis also believes in ALLAAH alone, but he refused to obey the command of Allaah to submit to aadam.

Yes Allah give liberation for the people to choose what deen (system) they want to follow and not oppress each other deen (laakum deenukum waliyadeen).

No!! That's were you're wrong. ALLAAH has granted us free will to, either follow His diyn or to follow Taghuwt.

salaam+

Who is your

The Men of Wisdom addressing Allah the Exalted submit

Our Sustainer Lord; Indeed we have listened the caller. He calls for the Faith and directs "you people believe in your Sustainer Lord". Responding to his call we have heartily accepted-believed.

Who is he whom men of wisdom have listened and heartily accepted the direction? If we are one of men of wisdom, then we must know whom we listened and are responding by heartily believing.

Salaam People here he is, explaining, leaving no doubt

Facts 1 Is there an ideology of Allah Alone in Islam?

And certainly We created you
then We fashioned you
then We said to the angels
Prostrate to Adam
So they did prostrate except Iblis
he was not of those who prostrated
He said What hindered you
so that you did not prostrate when I commanded you?
He said I am better than he
Thou hast created me of fire
while him Thou didst create of dust
(711-12)

Angels prostrate to Allah and Khalif

There is no evidence in the Quran
that Iblees prostrate to any other than Allah

Iblees prostrate to "Allah Alone"

Iblees is "Allah Alone"
"He refused and he was proud and he was one of the unbelievers" (234)
Because Iblees is trying to outsmart Allah's command.

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.0

I was not referring to anything connected to al-amiyr. I just commented on that some people in the world consider themselves better than others (in certain ways atleast) because they alledgedly are related to prophet Muhammad. Some people (alot) actually do this. As far as the things al-amiyr are saying, I couldn't comment on that simply since I haven't looked into it. My remark was very general, and out of experience, and had nothing to do with what's going on on this forum really.
I haven't been following al-amiyr and all around him, so I have no opinion.

Peace Zulf. My bad then. ;D

I realize the characteristics of the society I was brought up in. I've however also lived for quite some time in other kinds of environments, much more competitive and "hot". But I do hate the Law of Jante, as it is simply based on jealousy and insecurity. And of course, people are not equal in many ways... however, all people have equal worth, and this is what I'm interested in. It is easy for the discussion to drift from talking about skills/talents/experience/genes to talking about the worth of a person. This happens unconsciously. I celebrate differences in people, but all are of equal human value. Only God can judge among us, but usually we do it instead. Then things like racism pop up.

Completely agree with you here, and I would never respect anyone on the merits of forefathers
alone, or because of their rank or title. I do see however that genes play an important part in the set up of an individual, be it animal or man.

Like you said, we should show respect where and when it is due, which also includes showing respect for the right things. I've lived in the subcontinent for quite some time, and I find it sad to see how people respect skin color, rank and level of education while alsmot ignoring the personality at hand. Of course, this is typical for a highly hierarchical society, and there are many such. Even Germany is much more hierarchical than Sweden.
Respect should be given for the right reasons, humbly and sensibly.

Peace brother
All the best!

Again I couldn't agree more. Race is NOT an issue in Islam. Learning and personality are.
Peace And all the best to you brother.

Interesting use of horses for inbreeding genetics.

The scientific consensus is that inbreeding (in both humans and right down to simple creatures such as mayflies, which has had extensive studies), while normally not bad first or even second generation, eventually leads to retardation of certain gene pairs, causing abnormalities, infertility via broken down or unusable sperm cells in males and a weakened immune system. I sincerely hope no human feels the need to keep to the same gene pool in the hopes of having the same qualities as a father-daughter horse breeding schedule.

You are talking about long term in breeding, where its absolutely true. However if used correctly (one or two generations) it's an excellent tool for solidifying and stabilising the excellent traits you want the offspring to inherit. By in breeding I refer to the pairing of the closest relatives, father-daughter, brother-sister etc., not cousin which offers many more gene combination options.

The short term in breeding scheme has been used with great success on Icelandic horses, to give an example, producing excellent horses where up to 90% share the good qualities you've been breeding for, such as excellent gaits temperament etc. truly superior horses.

I would also like to point out that the characteristics you seem to be referring to in your posts is more down to nurture than nature. Even then, a child with the most caring parents can just as well be spoilt and unruly, while one with bad parents could be humble, peaceful and kind. Rather than placing people of such lineage, paternal, maternal, mixed on a pedestal slightly higher than everyone else, it might be more worthwhile to teach everyone to hold such characteristics regardless of background.

I disagree. High quality genes will produce a lineage of high quality genes, if correctly combined. There are always various possibilities, but statistically the combination of good parents will produce a significantly better offspring than the opposite. Mediocre parents, talking horse breeding now, have, on occasion produced the odd excellent offspring, but that's the exception not the rule.

Edit
Also, suggesting that certain genes are more likely to hold personality characteristics means also suggesting that those without those genes are less likely to hold them as a result. It doesn't need much more than that to start talking on the lines of Blood Libel and the 'Curse of Ham'.

Our knowledge of genetic inheritance is still rather crude, and comes from the breeding of animals as for ethical reasons breeding of humans along such lines is not an option. However we have every reason to assume that what holds true in horse breeding holds equally true for humans. Excellence breeds excellence, whether we like it or not. Ideological reasoning has no bearing on that fact.

Dear all,

Things get stinky when people,
i) claim, directly or indirectly, superiority over others by giving reference to their alleged genetic link to e.g. Muhammad. This is arrogance and ignorance.
ii) use genetic linkage as an excuse to whoreship, sorry, worship, others.

1. Who claims superiority through their genetic link? If you're referring to al-amiyr, his only claim is that he possesses the knowledge of al-kitaab maknuwn, passed down trough generations from father to son. Is this claiming genetic superiority??

2. Those of us who revere al-amiyr do so, not because he is of the lineage of Muhammad (saws), but because of the depth of his awe inspiring erudition and because of his compelling personality.
   Is this worship??

The whole 'science' of lineage in prophets that people indulge in and draw identity from, reeks from racism, arrogance and ignorance. In some countries it is used as a de facto caste system. It doesn't matter what genetic system God has put in place, it is not for us human beings to judge each other as higher or lower than others.

You and I come from the same (Swedish), hyper egalitarian culture, and instinctively dislike all who stand out from the crowd (Jantelagen), but we must admit that God has not created us equal. True it's not for us to judge each other, but we should show proper respect where respect is due.

peace

Peace G.Omar,

Thank you for the correction, I am aware of the lineage of Ibrahim and Imraan.

GOD has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Amram
to the people.

They belong in the same progeny. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

My inquiry is asking, Where does God speak of the lineage of Muhammad?

Please no links and no hadiths, just ayats from the word of God.

God bless

peace

Peace Hawk,

I'm not aware of any ayaats from Al Qur'aan, where 'God speaks of the lineage of Muhammad'. You can however infer that a man, and a Prophet of such outstanding virtue as Muhammad (saws) does not arise by chance, nor were his genes lost with his death. Do you deny that genes have a significant impact on the offspring of a person? nope

Peace,

All those who are Shi'a please raise your hands!

It makes no difference who you descended from, hidden books, special knowledge, race
are all nonsense unless God states it to be so like in the case of Ibrahim. The Quran
makes no mention of a special lineage of Muhammad. It is a Shi'a innovation. Please
correct me if I am wrong.

peace

Peace Hawk

Let me correct you . There have always been people who excel others and to an extent their children inherit the preponderance to excellence through their genes and then with nurturing and, setting a good example, their offspring take after them.

Just look at the illustrious line of Imraan that has produced such a great number of prophets and righteous servants of Allaah (swt). This is no invention by the Shiaa but a part of His great plan.
peace

salaam Aaleyah,

So happy for you that you have come to embrace Islam. However I would like to raise a warning sign here. When new to a religion one is still rather insecure and impressionable, and could easily be influenced to this side or that.

Imagine a believing and attractive Christian man that you're really in love with; isn't there a risk that he could sway you, away from Islaam? I would give the matter some very serious, long and deep thought. No need to make a decision now right? ... or is there, perhaps someone special, waiting in the wings? ;D peace

Continuing the genetical comparison to horse breeding; if you have genetically outstanding breeding material you may want to try linear breeding(in-breeding) where a Sire (father) may cover his daughter etc.
This could produce a very stable and predictable breed, where the offspring are all but clones of its Sire.The Muslim custom of cousin marriages can produce very similar results over time. wow

Wsalam I guess this leads to my next question, does having a genetic link to Ali make one more intelligent, more attractive, deserve more respect or more worthy of God than one without?

salaam+
I would say no, but it makes you more likely to have inherited some of the good qualities of prophet Muhammad (saws), which were apparent in many of his descendants. With careful nurturing, you may also be more prone to fear God and, perhaps be charitable and disposed to studying and reflecting on His signs in this world.
With no comparisons, apart from the purely genetical, when breeding excellent horses one selects, for a quality breeding mare, a stallion whose offspring displays a strong resemblance to their sire, in the complimenting qualities you look for. This will greatly enhance chances of breeding excellence. Genetically the same holds true for humans. peace

Serious question is that genetic inherence so important that it needs to be highlighted above say, a ethnic European family like mine with next to no direct link to Semitic prophets?

salaam Mikebloke

I would say genetics plays an important part in the formation of our resp. personalities; just how great is difficult to assess obviously. You could perhaps say that genetics may provide a healthy plant, and the careful nurturing of it brings out a good tree.
Obviously there are good and bad plants in every environment so no need to be despondent if, like me, you have 'next to no direct link to Semitic prophets'. You could still grow to be, as it were a very useful tree, bearing rich fruit. yes

That is exactly why the claim of being within the direct blood line of the prophet Muhammad, pbuh is a lie. One can claim to have come down the genealogy tree of Muhammad's cousin, Ali, but not Muhammad himself. The double standard starts right at the root of the matter. The second in line progenitor is a female, i.e. Fatimah, the prophet's daughter, then all of a sudden and from there, all the way down the whole "ANCESTRAL" tree all the female progenitors are getting factored out of the equation. How logical and or scientific! o

Peace,
Khalil

Male or female; how is that important? Genetically you are a direct descendant of the prophet (saws), if you descend from one of his children. In addition there is the genetic input of Ali (ra), the cousin of Fatima's father.

Know that

Islam is a very easy religion to follow. Just believe in GOD, the Almighty, believe in the Last Day, and be a righteous person, then don?t worry, just be happy. See 262 and 2177 among many other verses.

The Qur?aan is the ONLY and the BEST hadeeth book for religious guidance. See 7185 and 3923.

Every soul is responsible for his/her actions and that no one will carry the burden of another at the Judgment Day. See 6164.

The only infallible person is ALLAAH, swt, and everyone else including the messenger prophet Muhammad, pbuh is a sinner and must beg ALLAAH, swt, for forgiveness. See 4719 and 482.

Intercession is a man-made sectarian lie. See 2254. Noah, pbuh could not intercede on behalf of his unrighteous son, neither Abraham, pbuh on behalf of his polytheist father.

All sectarian 100% MALE dominated blood lineage stories claiming that their genealogy goes directly back to the prophet Muhammad, pbuh are all manifest lies. The Qur?aan in 3340 informs us that Muhammad, pbuh had no MALE offspring; he had no SON to begin with.

Peace,
Khalil

salaam Khalil
You are well aware that the Prophet's (saws) daughter Fatima (ra) had 2 sons, Hassan (ra) and Hussein (ra), by the cousin of her father. From them the bloodline of Muhammad(saws) has been continued to this day, and al-amiyr is one of them.
salaam

I only have a Muslim friend who helps and supports me (Sunni Muslim). It's incredibly lonely. The other Muslim my friends have left me. It is difficult to practice Islam when I have so few Muslim friends, but I try as best I can. Crying just thinking about this. The only thing that helps the sadness is to listen to the Quran.

I am afraid that I shall be apostate Muslim eventually if nobody supports me. Islam is in my heart, but without Muslims is difficult '(

Salaam "alaykum Aaleyah,

I feel for you, and I went through that same phase myself when I reverted to Islaam 27 years ago. It hasn't improved that much over the years, but the friends I have now are solid ones, and if you have patience (sabr) Allaah (swt) will strengthen you, and lead you to real, solid friends Insha' Allaah.

Those who would desert you for your accepting Islaam are not worth having anyway I'd say. I hope you will find a worthy husband and get married IA, that will relieve your loneliness. Don't ever contemplate leaving Islaam, because then you will be lost. Pray to Allaah, for the strength to bear the burden of loneliness, until He opens a way for you. peace

So are you claiming to be the hidden imam? The promised Mahdi?

The promised Mahadi will not proclaim himself. When the time of his ministry arrives it will be obvious to the believers who he is.

The long winded prayer that Al amiyr posted mentions the name of Allah 15 times. And the name of Muhammad 16 times. Just an observation. Carry on.

Qur'aan alone, and I still count myself as one of you, if more open to authentic hadiyths after some tutoring from al-amiyr, is supposedly about returning to original and authentic Islam. In truth though, I must say the sectarian spirit here is depressingly vivid.
Your observations Ameer, apparently lead you to conclude there are a Million trees but no forest, if you follow my drift. No?? Sad!! hypno

No righteous Imam or whatever you like to call them would say anything other than what you can find in Quran.

Salaam Man of Faith
Have you ever considered why we call Jews and Christians 'People of the Book'? Which book does the name refer to? What if there is a book from Allaah, other than the Qur'aan that contains His eternal truth, and what if the Qur'aan is the explanation of that Book, called al kitaab maknuwn (the hidden book).
Would learning about such a book, that contains all the knowledge in the world, be of interest to you, or would you discard it because it contains statements not found in the Qur'aan? Would that not be a foolish thing to do? peace

+salaam my good brother and my imam

I pray to Al Haqq, the Almighty, that it will be, and that al haqq will soon prevail and bring all believers together under its glorious banner! hail pr

God will not punish those who disuse apocryphal texts (456), but those who desert His Glorious Scripture (2530).

For a Muslim, the Qur'an is the only "authentic" source of "judgment" there is. It is the book whereof there is no doubt/uncertainty (22, 482), it is the only source of guidance to be followed (238, 3138, 3941, 4511, ...) Further, according to the Qur'an, God "completed" our religion for us during the lifetime of Muhammad (53) meaning, in the 7th century; thus there is no need for these (10th century) fabrications of urs!

Salaam Hicham
Is it possible that you, like most of us, have insufficient knowledge? Remember some are guided by the Qur'aan and others are misguided, so it's possible to be misguided by it. wow Don't let's assume we have the truth, as so many fractious sects do. Isn't the right approach to humbly ask Allaah pr to lead us ever nearer to the right path? peace

Unless he sees the mocking of believers as mere amusement. What is your say in this yourself, Stops?

salaam Brother
I see his aim being to divert believers from the right path, if he can, and I will not be complacent about such evil. Being nice and well behaved, no matter what, is not what being a good Muslim means to me, fighting against evil and for the right, is.

So G. Omar, God bless you and I hope you see my peaceful intent. Of course we can tell Satan 'Begone!'.

I do see your peaceful intent but what I was doing was in fact to 'tell Satan 'Begone!' Only in Latin ;D