Piece @Gnosis,

I am replying to the part of your post which I colored red, to show that in the Bible Allah is in fact probably the variation of the same CONCEPT that is in the Qur'an!
Here you have it colored green and red in my post

Genesis 11

In the beginning Elohim created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 11

In the beginning Elohim created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 11

In the beginning YeYa created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 11

In the beginning Elaha created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 11

In the beginning Alaha created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 11
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In the beginning God made the heaven and the earth.

Gen 11
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In principal God created the heaven and the earth.

• is literal translation of that should not be translated in English.

Gen 11
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In the beginning?

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In the beginning?

Gen 11
In principio fecit Deus coelum et terram.
In the beginning God made heaven, and earth.

• The Old Latin has fecit instead of creavit. This word is usually inscribed after the name of an artist or sculptor.

Gen 11
In principio creavit Deus caelum et terram.
In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.

• YeYa is Tanakh.info?s English transliteration of which is an abbreviation for the Tetragrammaton YHWH or Adonay. In the Targums, the name YHWH was replaced by two ?yods? with a ?waw? over them, thus , which letters are equal in value to YHWH (10+6+10 = 10+5+6+5= 26).

Yes, what you poiunted out here is true the original text does say Elohim which can be tied to Allah, this is due to the story of Genesis coming from two different sources. The source from Genesis 1 is from the source that always refers to god as "Elohim" but the source from which Genesis 2 and the story of Adam, Eve and the garden comes from what they call the Yawhist source that always refers to god as YHWH. If you go back and reread the original text from the story of the garden you will see the other always calls god YHWH.

I wasn't necessarily referring to the semantics of YHWH/Allah though, I was more so referring to the concepts themselves and how they are understood from scripture. The understanding of YHWH and the understanding of Allah are two different concepts totally when broken down.

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I agree that self-knowledge is very important, but it is not all, and someone's inclination to Esoterism can be as precious as dangerous without an initiated Teacher.I apologize to @Faithful Jinn for a slight digression to the thread by my post.

I am interested on what you meant by the underlined.

Because Abraham was the very first man to make the shift in thinking from a "bicameral mind thinking" infected with falsehood and "mysticism" that was in use and practice before him, to the integrated and abstract way of thinking. Therefore, he was promised the holy offspring by G-d.

But to him hasn't been given the Torah because he disobeyed G-d and listened to a woman (Sarah) instead to G-d and had a son with a servant-maid who hadn't been intended or promised by G-d. Afterwards Jacob, Isaak and others also did not deserve to receive the Torah because of various mistakes they made. That's why Moses is the greatest of all mankind because he deserved to receive the Torah and G-d's Comandments, and he was the very first man to teach and proclaim the monotheism and started the slow process of civilizing the humankind.

Further read
http//www.amazon.com/Origin-Consciousness-Breakdown-Bicameral-Mind/dp/0618057072
http//www.julianjaynes.org/bicameralmind.php

As-Salaam Alaikum,

The Qur'an does not mention ANY of the Prophets disobeying Allah, you shouldn't attribute falsehood to any of the Prophets (may the peace and blessings of Allah be on them all).

Abraham was also given scripture anyway, the Scrolls of Abraham that the Qur'an mentions.

As-Salaam Alaikum,

A bit more of my input on the subject

In reality only two "religions" exist, and that's 1). Self Knowledge and 2). Spiritual Ignorance

Self Knowledge is Truth. To seek anywhere else for Truth (any other philosophy, religion, or way of life) other than Self Knowledge is only following conjecture. This is not a belief of mine, this I KNOW.

All the ancient scriptures and the Prophets that brought them, from Musa with the Torah, Krishna with the Gita, Buddha with his teachings, Isa with the Gospel, to Muhammad with the Qur'an (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all), when you read their uncorrupted teachings from the correct perspective they all teach about Self Knowledge. I can't stress Self Knowledge enough. It has nothing to do with religion, it has nothing to do with a wrathful sky deity, it's about the Oneness with ALL in existance and the understanding of this huge energy matrix we call reality and your place in it, as a microcosm within the macrocosm.

The problem is how people understand Allah and Islam. There are two huge distractions that lead people to the wrong understanding

1. The Bible - I know many here like to defend the authencity of the Bible saying that the Qur'an confirms these scriptures but that's simply not true. The Bible is not the original Torah/Gospel the Qur'an refers to. The Bible is a Jesuit/Masonic spell book created purposely to enslave your mind and percieve the Creator as some wrathful sky deity. In reality, the Bible makes you submit to the demiurge. Since most people see the god of the Bible as being the same God of the Qur'an (which they are not), they view the concept of Allah with the same understanding they have of YHWH given in the Bible. This is the error. (The concept of Allah is the God of Abraham, not the concept of YHWH, and they are not the same). When you couple this with

2. The Hadith - This only further adds to the confusion trying to have the proper understanding of Allah and Islam. Faithful Jinn I disagree that you should use the hadith as historical evidence for the hadith was also written by Jesuits/Masons. In the hadith they say the Prophet (pbuh) was white, when there is in fact clear real historical evidence that proves he was black. Not that the color of the Prophet (pbuh) matters in this discussion, I'm just pointing out to you that they aren't even reliable for historical proof. And of course everyone here already rejects them as being authorative on the deen.

Again, all the scriptures and their Prophets true teachings were about Self Knowledge. I will say this to you Faithful Jinn, I can tell by your post that you are sincere with wanting to walk the path of Truth, I support you on that and I say that to say this The Qur'an is the best scripture you can use on your journey towards Truth simply because it is uncorrupted and the most current and relevant, but IT IS NOT NECESSARY. A man can find Allah/Truth without ever having to read the Qur'an for the eternal law and scripture is already written inside every persons heart. It is simply a map, a great map at that! Sure, you can start in Washington D.C. and make it to Los Angeles without every looking at a map, but if you were to use a map it'd be much easier to maybe avoid a lot of obstacles on your journey. Whether you choose to use a map on your journey or not matters not, what matters is just the fact that you're on the journey! It's when you stay still that you are in error (and in your case "staying still" would be accepted a "faith" just because it feels or sounds good or just blindly accepting something as truth).

I support you brother, I wish I could have a one on one discussion with you about things. My suggestion, study Egypt and ancient cultures. A wise man once said "words like god are Greek or Latin, so if you study Egypt, you'll see the truth written by the masters".

As-Salaam Alaikum,

Noah witnessed the sinking of Atlantis with the flood, that was millenia before what we even call "ancient history", a totally different age of man where one could easily live long life spans so yes I take it literally.

Since the Qur'an is just the reiteration and the confirmation of the Torah, in the Torah it is clearly forbidden to get in contact with deceased people, and invoke dead spirits... (which shows that it is possible to do so), but it is forbidden by God and considered "haram"!

As-Salaam Alaikum,

The Qur'an is a confirmation of the orginal messages that came before which the present bible is not, so it can't be used as a reference for this question. Besides, the law of the Qur'an would supercede the old laws that's why I asked out of the Qur'an only.

Well this first question is immaterial to me. Just because Muhammad could rhyme well and he had some palindromes is evidence of nothing. It's likely a mathematical probability in some languages that this happens occasionally in speech especially in a root based language like Arabic. This is no more evidence of divinity than a Dr. Seuss book.

As-Salaam Alaikum,

It's not so much that Muhammad (pbuh) could rhyme well and had many palindromes that makes the Qur'an fascinating, it's the fact that this occured while still giving a message that makes sense and fits a mathmatical formula (19), all this while it wasn't written down but recited. Do you understand how hard something like that is? Try it in English, a language you can understand and see how hard it is, then imagine doing it in Arabic which would be harder since certain Arabic words have multiple meanings, etc. The Qur'an is for sure not a product of the human mind, but was channeled to the Prophet's (pbuh) spirit. Do you know about channeling? If so, then you can imagine how the Qur'an was revealed, atleast this is what I personally know from the things I've studied.

First off the embryology in the Qur'an is speculated to have been plagiarized from greek philosophers like Aristotle and some greek guy named Galen. They had similar if not identical things to say on the Qur'an and they existed before Muhammad. So humans had this knowledge before the Qur'an existed. As for geology, oceanography, and astronomy what exactly does the Qur'an say that you find miraculous?

I believe the Qur'an has such vague claims about the natural universe that it could be re-interpreted in many ways to make sense with modern science but first I'll accept what specific claims you personally believe are miraculous.

I personally don't think that just because a book makes some vague and possibly correct scientific claims that it is from God. You underestimate the intelligence of ancient human civilizations. Even the ancient Egyptians who lived 3000 years before Muhammad were excellent in math and astronomy and humans have been using the stars to navigate since the dawn of civilization. I believe many of the claims in the Qur'an were either known at the time in history or directly plagiarized from another source or so vague that it could be correct.

But like I said which claims do you believe to be so miraculous and why exactly do you think the Qur'an is divine?

I would just like to point out that Plato and Aristotle learned all their knowledge from the Ancient Africans (Egyptians) in their spiritual mystery schools which both of these men were initates in, so I agree with you that the knowledge did exist, but it was only known by the initates, not the general populace. So if you want to throw words around like "plagerized", you would have to say the greeks plagerized from the Africans...but plagerizism really isn't the case, it's just knowledge and tradition that was passed down from one initate to the next. Muhammad (pbuh) himself was an initate, that is why the Qur'an contains this information. No other scripture during his time was talking about this knowledge, only the occult centers of learning had this knowledge.

If everybody is left alone to form his opinions based on self-knowledge, and mankind is alone on this planet to create opinions about soul, spirit and invisible things, then there is no god who gave any scripture?

As-Salaam Alaikum,

Sorry for the confusion, the way I worded my post may have caused misunderstanding of what I was saying. Yes, Allah does exist, but I was simply pointing out it's not in the way mainstream thought thinks. Allah is not a diety, but is rather a creative force that penitrates within and throughout creation (573) for sake of discussion I'll liken him to the Force from Star Wars except that unlike the Force in Star Wars, this Force is also concious of itself and it's creation. Also, this Force manifests it's Will through man who was created as it's image and caliph (230). This is why the angels were told to prostrate to Adam (pbuh), because Allah was within Adam (pbuh) (234, 5016). So the proper understanding of Allah is that Allah is the Force that created and sustains existance and Allah's will is seated within the hearts of men.

With this understanding, you should be able to see that revelation of the Qur'an came as a result of deep meditation within the Prophet (pbuh) and not just a product of the Prophet's (pbuh) or another humans mind. The Gnostics called this sort of revelation "gnosis", hence the Qur'an itself is a book of gnosis. It came from the divine within, the Self. This is what I mean by Self Knowledge, Self Knowledge is knowledge of God and creation, because the Self is Allah. Don't confuse this with the false self (the Ego), but the true Self, which is divine and contains the Ruh of Allah. There's a saying that the Prophet (pbuh) himself said "He who knows his Self knows his Lord", and this is what is meant by that saying. Self Knowledge is the teachings of the Mystery Schools and it's initates, hence why in Ancient KMT (Egypt) outside the Temple of Luxor it is written "Man know thyself".

I highly recommend everyone to study the spiritual system of Ancient KMT's mystery schools along with Gnosticism in order to fully understand the reality of Allah and the truth of Islam, for I know for a fact that Islam based on the QUR'AN ALONE and not the Jesuit authored hadith is simply the Ancient traditions and knowledge of the initiates passed down. When you study these mystery systems and then reread the Qur'an, it will open up an entire universe of new understanding of the scriptures.

As-Salaam Alaikum,

My brother I read a few post and I don't think this has been brought up.

If you look at Islam and the Qur'an from a Self-Knowledge perspective I think things would start to make sense to you. Contrary to popular belief, Allah is not a sole anthropomorphic diety suspended somewhere. Scripture says Man was created in (but more correct as) the image of Allah, meaning you yourself are a divinity, an avatar of Allah. Allah works through man, not for man, Allah's Will is manifested through man. Everything in creation is in Islam, only man has choice.

With this understanding you can go back to the Qur'an and understand the true gnosis it really is with this new understanding. You are an eternal being, always existed and always will. Terms like heaven and hellfire are just mindstates, Iblis is your carnal desires, the shaytans are the oppressive people of the earth, etc.

I myself started as a Christian, then converted to Sunnism. After really learning about it I started to have serious doubts about Islam, but I still was intrigued by the Qur'an because of its proofs and evidences, both scientifically and philosphically as stated before, and spiritually may I add. I started to study other forms of Islam like the Nation of Islam and then from there the Nation of Gods and Earths (Five Percenters), while I was also studying Gnosticism and Ancient Egypt. While I do not identify or associate myself with those groups, one major thing I learned from the Five Percenters is Knowledge of Self. Once I grasped that concept, my view on Islam and the Qur'an became concrete, especially after learning about the forged hadith which both the NOI and NGE also teach.

Just thought I bring up something that didn't get brought up yet and might have you thinking. Regardless of your descision you'll be fine brother, no one is going to lose their soul. It's an eternity of soul progression, if we didn't get something right this go around, we'll be incarnated right back here again until we do. One love.

As-Salaam Alaikum,

An image from the same brother.

http//sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/425004_4263539195774_255073672_n.jpg

As-Salaam Alaikum,

I'm happy that there were a few of you that took interest in this topic. Soon insha'Allah I will post a part two about the feminine nature of Lucifer/Sophia and the symbolism involved as well that I mentioned briefly in the OP.

For now, this topic adds to the discussion here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603517.0

BUMP ;D

BUMP ;D

The 'original Torah' a.k.a Ten Commandments supposedly being written in the stone tablet which went missing.
And theoretically it should be written in 'iconic script' such as the egyptian hieroglyph, given the 'israelites' has not yet adopted "Consonant based Phoenician script" during that time..

As-Salaam Alaikum brother,

Indeed! The Ten Commandments were originally written in hieroglyphs, and there were originally more than ten of them!

http//anu-world.com/id22.html

Good job acknowledging this, whether intentionally or unintentionally.

As-Salaam Alaikum,

Truly my last contribution to this discussion, and then I'm done.

http//dangerousintersection.org/2006/10/22/who-changed-the-bible-and-why-bart-ehrmans-startling-answers/

^If the above link doesn't provide enough proof and evidence then you just don't want to know the truth.

"You can't handle the truth!!!!"

As-Salaam Alaikum,

I'm not even going to entertain this topic anymore after this. Clear evidence is given in my OP along with the others who posted evidence. Arguing against the matter now is a result of a few strangely deciding to hold onto a book that has been proven to be written by men.

Salamun Alaikum to All,

Questions

1. Who were the people who were present during the canonization of the NT in 375 AD? Are they Isrealites.
2. In what language?
3. During the convocation, did they confabulated with GOD?
4. Did GOD mentioned in the original manuscript or most ancient copies or ancient copies of the Gospel that HE with HIS wisdom that he will replace the original copies or most ancient copies of the Gospel with the NT sometime later? If there is, please quote,

Thank you in advance and Peace
Sidi

These points were valid ones yet never addressed, they were met with a "it doesn't matter" response lol. I couldn't even get a genuine response of why the Gospels are in Greek when Isa (pbuh) spoke Aramaic. May Allah give us all guidance.

^Lol trolling rotfl

I see what this is now

As-Salaam Alaikum,

I really can't believe this is still being debated after so much evidence has been given.

The is absolutely no proof of what you are saying and quoting here.

No proof? Are you serious?

"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allah," to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby." - al-Qur'an 279

What better proof do you need than the words of Allah themself? Also consider this, we agree that Isa (pbuh) and his disciples spoke Aramiac right? Well all of the New Testament's manuscripts are in Greek, a language Isa (pbuh) and his disciples never spoke. How then can you continue to believe that the New Testament is the original Injil? Also, most of the NT was written by Paul who is never mentioned in the Qur'an. Why is he never mentioned if we are to believe in his writings?

You keep accusing people of conspiracy theories and contradicting themselves yet you are the only one contradicting yourself. May Allah give you guidance.

Jafar said

"The most important point is it doesn't matter where Jesus, Abraham, Moses Joseph, John, Zachary, Maria etc.. were actually located. They can be in Antarctica or even Mars for all I care. The Quran tell the story of those folks as a 'role model' of "Good people".. that's what important.. Heed the lessons from their life story and apply it on your every day life."

Well, to you it might not be a big deal, but to me it is. You see, those FORGERS who moved the geography of events from Yemen to the Levant are the SAME criminals who

1- Claimed that the Russian, Polish, Lithuanian and Dutch Jews, the descendants of the KHAZARS, whose ancestors never set foot in Palestine, are the Children of Israel, and are a pure race, and that all of humanity are filthy animals created for their service.

2- Claimed ancient Israel was in Palestine, in order to annex the land and persecute its original inhabitants.

3- Defamed all of Allahs messengers and mopped the floor with them.

4- Invented hadiths which described Muhammad (P) as a barbarian, imbecile, pedofile, and sex maniac.

5- Were the secret power behind the throne of the Ummayad and Abbasid DOGS who ruled the Islamic world.

6- Hijacked the history of humanity and prostituted it to fit with their own agendas and interests.

7- Created the usurious banking system and the toilet paper they call "fiat money" to enslave all of humanity.

So yes....it matters...the history of a nation is not something to be taken lightly.

Peace...

As-Salaam Alaikum,

Call me crazy, but I actually agree with all these points except number 5. I don't know enough about point 5 to comment on it but the rest are basically accurate. There's no conspiracy theory about any of them (though point 7 may need some clarity, Jews may not have been the inventors of fiat money, but they most certainly are the ones responsible behind the corrupt banking system today).

"So yes....it matters...the history of a nation is not something to be taken lightly."

^I completely 100% agree with this, though I do disagree with your excessive passion for Yemen.

First of all you contradicted yourself. The verses said that they are NOT following the scripturesthey have possession of.Thats the whole point of the Koran.

Second saying that these scriprures were not what was given to the prophets is not accurate as these prophets were never given these scriptures. I think what you are doing is comparing the Koran with the previois scriptures. If you look at the confrontation God had with Moses, it was a back and forth conversation where God asks Moses and Moses answers. We know of no such scenario in the Koran with Muhammad. Also God gave Moses the ten commandments to take to his people in a tablet. In Jesus's case Jesus was the word of God and he was the Koran. There is no scriptures that came to Jesus. The Psalms of David are poems that David wrote and spoke. It is not God's words. But God gave these prophets their place in the scriptures by its bearing of their names and legacy for all humans to witness. I think many Muslims were expecting a Koran like scriptures from these previous scriptures. However ecah prophet was given something the others were not. Muhamamd was given the Koran,the word of God. The previous scriptures were not written by God and therefore the Koran refers to them as the Books of God and not the word of God. It however refered to Jesus as the word of God since Jesus was given the holy spirit and used to talk and even preach when he was a child.

The verses of the Koran are clear in the authority it gave the previous scriptures and it placed these scriptures in the same category as the Koran. However the previous scriptures are not words chosen by God himself. But they contain many of His words and commandments. Prophets differ in how revelations come to them.

Muhammad never precahed when he was a child and neither did he have a back and forth exchange with God as Moses did and he never gave us any of his poems. The Sunni/Shia sects in Islam claimed Muhammad had two and three revelations that came to him. They called these other revelations the Sunnah.

But the verses you quoted actually discredits what you were trying to imply.

As-Salaam Alaikum,

I did not contradict myself. The verses clearly talk about scriptures that were revealed during the time of their respected Prophets, not what they were currently in possession of. All of the verses use the past tense i.e.

"So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (good-doers)." - al-Qur'an 513

This one verse alone demostrates that not only is the current Bible (which the Jews had possession of during the revealing of the Qur'an) not the Word or book of Allah, it also shows that they delibrately changed the words of the scripture that was sent to them during the time of Prophet Musa (pbuh), which would produce the present day Old Testament. How then can you say the Bible is in the same authority as the Qur'an when the Qur'an refutes such?

Also, to say that there were no scriptures revealed to Musa (pbuh) and Isa (pbuh) demostrates a lack of knowledge of the ayats within the Qur'an. The Qur'an clearly says the following

"Verily, We did send down the Taurat (Torah) , therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah's Will, judged the Jews. And the rabbis and the priests for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Book, and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O Jews) and sell not My Verses for a miserable price. And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the Kafirun (i.e. disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allah's Laws)." al-Qur'an 544

"And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun (the pious)." - al-Qur'an 546

"Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad SAW) as We inspired Nuh (Noah) and the Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and Al-Asbat , 'Iesa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yunus (Jonah), Harun (Aaron), and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawud (David) We gave the Zabur (Psalms). "

How then can you say that no scriptures were given to Musa (pbuh), Isa (pbuh) and Dawud (pbuh) when the Qur'an itself clearly states that Allah did reveal these scriptures to them?

The verses I gave don't discredit me, they give clear proofs of the truth. You are actually the one who contradicted yourself by saying that no scriptures were revealed to the previous Prophets when the Qur'an says otherwise.

SALAAM broher sun hope youre in Peace and i wish you a continuation of nice day also, (diferent parts of world /diferent timefuse O0)
and thanks for answering, i must confess im feeling bad because i jsut "dominate " brother nils Issue, i must SAY SORRY FOR THAT, and probably ill just make 1 more post.. its fair since is brother nils post. and what i DONT WANT HERE is to cause ENEMYS, i confess thats never and never will be my intention,or the attitude i will take, im debating my points of view, but even if i dont agree 1%of what some say i will alwayes REspect " 200 % " group

IS Exacly what i said brother,
So you agree with me that AQ dont have any Mary or Jesus names, only AAeesa and Maryam? yay
So must agree also that Maryam(Profetess of OT) sister of Harun and Musa is the Mother Of AAeesa the Messiah? yay
Also one can conclude Jesus from Palestine is nothing to do with a Prophet, why not in AQ AllAh call him Yesshoo in araby and AQ is simple and Aeesa (the Prophet) came before DAWUD or SOLOMON .. yay

Feel free to correct me if im wrong or to hate me if i said blasfemy peace

Well to conclude we must say AQ is correborator of all books, its Universal and for Mankind
groupSAlaam/Shalom/ PEACE/PAZ

Nomad AlAndalusi

Wa Alaikum Salaam and thank you for you well wishes! sun

I am however in disagreement with you and I see that I did not make myself clear in my last post. What I meant was that the Maryum mentioned as Prophet Isa's (pbuh) mother is not the same as Maryum the sister of Musa (pbuh) and Harun (pbuh).

In the Qur'an Maryum, mother of Isa (pbuh) is called the sister of Huran (pbuh) but from my understanding this is not meant to be taken literal. It is the same as when Christians refer to Christ as the seed or son of David (pbuh). Obviously David (pbuh) is not the father of Isa (pbuh) as David lived long before the Christ and Christ had no biological father to begin with. It is because of Christ's relationship with David (pbuh) that Christ is refered to as such (as the Christian prophesy says that the Messiah will come from the tribe of Judah, which both David (pbuh) and the Christ (though in Isa's (pbuh) case, metophorically through Joseph) came from.

Maryum's relationship to Harun (pbuh) is the same. Harun (pbuh) was the founder of the Levite priest tradition and as Maryum was raised in the priesthood by the prophet Zakaryya (pbuh), one could draw the conclusion that when she is called "sister of Harun (pbuh)", it is the same as being called "sister of the priesthood".

Isa (pbuh) would not have his name translated in the Qur'an to Yeshoo because that is a transliteration of the Hebrew name Yeshua, which in itself is a corruption. In reality, Jesus' name was never Yeshua, for that is Hebrew and Isa (pbuh) spoke Aramaic. Jesus' rightful name was always Isa (pbuh) and I actually posted about his name in another topic but I'll repost it here

Taken from http//www.answering-christianity.com/name_of_jesus.htm

Interestingly, the word "Yeshua" (meaning "safety" in the Hebrew language), whom Christians attempt to proselytize their theories of a "man-god" Jesus by saying this name of his meant "Salvation", does not have a static definition of "Salvation" but also means "Saved".

Another problem is that the type of "safety" which "yasha" refers to is in a very worldly sense, and mostly having to do with being saved from the hands of Israel's worldly enemies. Every single usage of "yasha" in the Bible has to do with warfare and violence. There is not a single reference to deliverance from sin, or salvation of the ethereal soul. It only refers to salvation of the physical body and life.?
Jesus spoke Aramaic. Thus, the New Testament would have to be dependent upon it. Much of the Old Testament was in Aramaic as well, and the earliest Christian societies throughout Arabia from Palestine, to Syria, to Nabataea spoke Aramaic. So what is Jesus' name in Aramaic?

"EESHO M'SHEEKHA" meaning Jesus the Messiah.

• "Eesho M'sheekha" in Syriac. Syriac is a late variant of Aramaic widespread in Christendom, thus coined "Christian Aramaic".

• "Eesho M'sheekha" in Aramaic, taken directly from the "Peshitta". The "Peshitta" is the Aramaic New Testament and closely resembles the language of Jesus.

Thus, Jesus would have even called himself "Eesho" or more specifically "`Eesaa" since the Northern Palestinian Jews pronounced the letter "shin" as "seen".

?The word "EESA" ( ) in the Qur'an comes from "EESHO" ( ) in Aramaic, a language which predates Hebrew by several hundred years and never had any etymological ties with the Hebrew derivative "YESHUA" ( ) or even the word "E'SAU" ( )

?Since the language Jesus (pbuh) spoke and taught was Aramaic, the Qur'an have accurately taken his name in Aramaic and not the Hebrew derivative, "YESHUA" ( )

?The name "YASO'A" ( ) for Jesus (pbuh) in the Arabic Bible is merely a transliteration of the Hebrew name "YESHUA" ( ) and is therefore fallacious to claim that this is the correct Arabic name of Jesus (pbuh) since as originally said, Hebrew is not Jesus' native tongue. Therefore, the Noble Verses which clearly states that the Qur'an is in pure Arabic remains unchallenged.

Surely, the Messiah of the New Testament known in the English speaking world as "Jesus" is the same as the Messiah of AQ Isa (pbuh). Again, the NT contains fabrications attributed to the life of Isa (pbuh), but there is no reason to suggest that they are two totally different people.

Salaam

@Gnosis

I have to say that if you think Isa (pbuh) in AQ is not the same as Jesus the carpenter as mentioned in the Gospels then you are greatly misguided. Isa (pbuh) and Jesus are the same. Of course there are fabrications in the Gospels but regardless Jesus the man is the same as Isa (pbuh) the Messiah, son of Mary (pbuh).

WEll if You say Jesus was the Son of carpenetr in Pelestine you just giving me reason... If theres a fatjher and mother, theres no miricle?!?! brickwall
So you rejecting the VIrginity of MAryam (Aroon/Musa sister who gave birth to Isa the Messiah.. if you think hes father is Josef the carpenter, theres no miricle in palestine see? you just enter in a crazy contradition & hmm

Wa Alaikum Salaam,

The Gospels specifically say that Jesus was born of a virgin along with some Gospels that are not included in the Bible. Never does it say that Joseph is the biological father of Jesus nor does it ever alude to such, so there is no contradiction.

And Mary the mother of Jesus is not the same as Marium the sister of Moses, they lived generations apart.