Salam Huruf,

Yes i have received it. Many thanks. Greatly appreciated.

rgds

Salam to Pazuzu and all,

Been a few months since i last read up on Pazuzu's postings, guess i missed the opportunity when Pazuzu was mailing out the E-book.
Can someone be kind enuff as to send me the E-book, it wud be much much appreciated. tks. My email add is [email protected].
once again...thank you in advance,

rgds

Here we go again..........lol

Salam/Shalom,

I feel u bro. U're not alone. Sometimes ppl get too engrossed on the path and forgot to look up and see where they are, or to take a step back into 3rd person view.

As the elders always say........on 2nd thoughts, i'd better not, dont want to be receiving flaks n verse quotations...

Peace

salam all,

wow.....all that for just a simple "what if" question????....lol
i bet a thesis could be done on Humpty Dumpty nursery rhyme as well huh

hmm

am i missing something here?????? i thought it was a "what if" question?????

Salam to all,

Hmmm...the "what if" questions huh.....if i understood u correctly.

Speaking for myself. i guess all we got left are our own moral values. Since IF there is no God, then there wouldn't be hell or heaven. So i guess everyone will be "clamouring the corporate ladder" so to speak. And whether we achieve that by good or bad means, it still boils down to moral values.

Peace

Salam Pazuzu,

Well great to know that. So when u gonna do the continuation on the thread about Muhammad? Hopefully soon.

Peace

Salam Pazuzu,

In the first place, i was not bothered by your article, in fact i found it very interesting and am anxiously waiting for u to continue, and also your continuation on the other thread about Muhammad. Hence i cant figure out why your reply has a negative overtone.

by the way, i did post a 2nd link to the article which is in english. and the article is abt Misr NOT being Egypt.

Well anyway, carry on.

Peace

Salam,

awww...shucks....wrong link...hahahaha.

here's the right one.

http//www.tajdeed.org/article.aspx?id=10334

Salam to all, hope everyone is doing fine.

I might be wrong, but I think what Pazuzu is trying to bring across are some researches done by Dawood, Kamal Sabili, Ziad Mouna to name a few.

Here's a link to an article which might be of interest to better understand Pazuzu. Would be interesting to know what you guys think of the article.

link http//www.tajdeed.org/article.aspx

Peace

Salaam to u too brother MMkhan,

Thank you for pointing that out. I know nothing of arabic grammar, language, tashdeed etc etc, but trying to learn as i go along.
The way i understood it is like, for example, the word educate. ( i am not saying salawat means educate) and the "Al" denoting a "the".
So in my ignorance, i understood it as...for eg educated , education , educating, (Al)the education.

Again, tq so much for pointing it out. Only Allah can give u best of rewards. I will look up on the grammar/language/tashdeed etc.

Peace

Salam to all,

Indelwyn - I did try a search on the book being disputed, but cudnt find any.....as yet.

Peace

Emil,
Think i gave u the wrong info. this shud be the correct one
http//kashifshahzada.com/2011/05/14/who-is-a-kaafir/

Salam everyone,

Emil - The Authority of the Quran by Kashif Ahmed Shehzada.

Salam to all,
I had also always viewed Salawat as blessings. Heres my take on it,trying to stay in context, altho not sure if i had missed out on other verses that contained salawat.

2155 Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere,
2156 Who say, when afflicted with calamity "To Allah We belong, and to Him is our return"-
2157 They are those on whom salawatun(blessings) from Allah, and Mercy, and they are the ones that receive guidance.

997 The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.
998 Some of the desert Arabs look upon their payments as a fine, and watch for disasters for you on them be the disaster of evil for Allah is He That heareth and knoweth (all things).
999 And of the wandering Arabs there is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and taketh that which he expendeth and wasalawati (blessings of) the messenger as acceptable offerings in the sight of Allah. Lo! verily it is an acceptable offering for them. Allah will bring them into His mercy. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

231 The believers must (eventually) win through,-
232 Those who humble themselves in their prayers(salatihim);
233 Who avoid vain talk;
234 Who are active in deeds of charity;
235 Who abstain from sex,
236 Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or whom their right hands possess,- for they are free from blame,
237 But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors;-
238 Those who faithfully observe their trusts and their covenants;
23,9 And who (strictly) guard salawathim( their blessings bestowed)
2310 These will be the heirs,
2311 Who will inherit Paradise they will dwell therein (for ever).

and thus
2238 Guard strictly your alsalawati (the blessings bestowed), and the best prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind).
2239 If ye fear, pray on foot, or riding, but when ye are in security, celebrate Allah.s praises in the manner He has taught you, which ye knew not.
2240 Those of you who die and leave widows should bequeath for their widows a year's maintenance and residence; but if they leave (The residence), there is no blame on you for what they do with themselves, provided it is reasonable. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Please forgive me if i had err in understanding.

Salam everyone,

Emil, maybe this article might help. Anyway sorry if i posted wrongly, kinda a newbie. P

Although within numerous Islamic circles, non Muslims are frequently labelled as ?Infidels? and the Arabic term ?Kafir? (pl ?Kuffar?) is used for them, the Qur?an reveals an entirely different picture as to the identity of bearers of this term.
The Actual Meaning

Not only non Muslims, but rival sects issue Fatwas (edicts) of ?Takfeer? and declare each other as ?Kaafir? and outside the pale of Islam for one reason or another. But what is the literal and linguistic meaning of the term, that is often used to vilify opponents and evoke negative sentiments? In this article I will explore this as well as the Quranic usage of the terminology.

The Arabic word ?Kufr? (lit. rejection, concealment, covering up) is derived the triliteral root Ka-Fa-Ra which means ?he became a rejecter of, or a denier of?.

The term ?Kufr? or ?Rejection? in its various derivative forms in Qur?anic usage is in its generic sense, and wherever the word occurs, it does not imply or refer to ?Non Muslims?. E.g Prophet Abraham and his companions say in 604 that they have ?rejected? the belief of their persecutors (?Kafarna ? Bikum?). Similarly, in (2619) the Pharaoh, called Moses a ?Kaafir? i.e. a rejecter, as Moses had rejected the belief system of his.

So as Abraham?s followers who are believers say that they reject polytheism and the word ?Kafar? is used for that act of theirs and as Moses who is a believer and a Prophet had committed ?Kufr? of the tyranny of the Pharaoh, this demonstrates that ?Kafir?, ?Kufr? etc are not terms synonymous with ?Non Muslims?, or but are terms depicting specific acts and actions by human beings.

Believers in the Qur?an are ?Kaafirs? i.e. rejecters of ideologies opposing the Qur?an. Similarly those who uphold such ideologies, when they are faced with the Qur?anic message, and they consciously reject it, then they become ?Kaafirs? of the Qur?an. It is very common nowadays for some people to label all non Muslims as ?Kaafir?. Not only is this grammatically wrong, this view is not supported by the Qur?an itself.
What Qualifies One For ?Kufr?

Somebody who has never heard about the Qur?anic message, is not conscious of its teachings is not a ?Kaafir?, but in Qur?anic terminology a ?Jaahil? (ignorant of the message) or a ?Ghaafil? (unaware of the message) person.

For to qualify for ?Kufr?, one needs to be clear about and be consciously aware of the message first. When the message has not even reached somebody, then he or she cannot be called a ?rejecter? or an ?acceptor? of that message. It is only when one has knowledge of the message ? that he or she qualifies for acceptance or rejection. The Qur?an repeatedly says that people ??reject the truth AFTER it was made clear to them?.? (c.f. 2109, 4725 etc)

When the Qur?an uses the term ?Kaafir? to those who reject the Qur?an itself, then it also qualifies their traits further that they do this, when the message is clear to them, and they don?t just stop at merely rejecting the message, BUT ALSO actively oppose people from it as well (c.f. 471), and if that is not enough, they also PERSECUTE those who uphold the message (335 , and cause them mental, physical as well as material injury (637-.

It is on the basis of this intolerant behavior and persecution that such are condemned. Cross referencing verses related to ?Kaafir?, ?Kufr? and analyzing the behavior pattern inherent in it makes this abundantly clear and clears the misconception that the Qur?an is intolerant towards or condemns people of all faiths. In the light of this, a young boy in a remote dwelling who has never heard of the Quran and is innocently observing his ancestral faith is neither the ?Kaafir? that the Quran speaks of nor the target of its reprimands, until or unless he consciously rejects the message after its reception and engages in its opposition and persecution of believers.