^^^ unbelievable how clueless this place has become
no wonder some of the other posters have departed

https//www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

peace and good bye!

^^^ why not say that you simply don't know how to solve a simple case?
simple question you too proud to admit you don't know where to start?

distribute 24 gold coins mother, wife, two daughters

if a family came to you husband suddenly past in his sleep, how would allocate 24 gold coins?
remember it's a HUGE sin to lie about what the Almighty said to allocate, so go ahead tell us?

It has absolutely no relevance to what is said in Qur'an.

why not solve it instead of parroting 1300+ year old contradictions? ZERO value to this thread

distribute 24 gold coins mother, wife, two daughters

missionaries will tear you apart with 1000 other cases

https//www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

^^^ why you wrote all that there's like 1000 contradictions?

In both cases two third inheritance is their share with sharing formula of equivalent of share of two females is for a male.

411 to the male similitude apportion the females two (applies exactly two females!)
e.g., cannot use above to solve 1 male and 1 female since TWO need to be present!

If 3+ daughters next sentence kicks in
so if are (f/pl.) womenfolk above two so for them (f/pl.) third dual (2/3) what left

If one (daughter) next sentence kicks in
and if be she one (f) so for her the half (1/2)

likewise any lone heir/s e.g., sons or daughters inherit everything!

example case woman (108 gold coins inheritance)

her awlādikum
1 son from 1st marriage
2 daughters 2nd marriage
1 adopted orphan girl heir (she raised her since baby)

husband 3rd marriage
parents are still alive

mother 1/6 (fixed) "from what" left (1081/6 = 18 gold coins)
father 1/6 (fixed) "from what" left (1081/6 = 18 gold coins)
husband 1/4 (fixed) "from what" left (108*1/4 = 27 gold coins)

108 - (18+18+27) = 45 coins what left distributed to her awlādikum

3 girls (variable) "what" left 45*2/3 = 30 coins (10 for each girl)
1 son gets the remaining = 15 gold coins (1.5x amount each girl)

in cases of 1 female and 1 male (or any 11 ratio) they share equally

https//www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

First is to understand what is stated in the original text.
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It is 26. Inheritance from deceased parents to offspring Allah the Exalted relates the discourse of Inheritance to the Offspring (children) of the parents. It is specific parents to offspring and not vice versa.

It is not about inheritance for the parents. That is covered by another clause conjunct,

we know exactly what is says -- can you distribute it is basic math? if woman died? (36 gold coins)

A. case if her awlādikum are 3 sons

B. case if her awlādikum are 3 daughters

likewise her parents and husband are present

411 تَرَكَ Subject is not mentioned. It is inherent in it. Third person singular masculine.

يُوصِيكُـمُ ٱللَّهُ فِـىٓ أَوْلَٟدِكُمْ

For whom is the pronoun referent? Obviously the parents which is obvious by Aulaad.

care to give us distributions if woman died? (36 gold coins)

A. case if her awlādikum are 3 sons

B. case if her awlādikum are 3 daughters

likewise her parents and husband are present

https//www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

تَرَكَ It is not a noun but a verbal sentence. Verb has the subject. It is not verbal noun تَرْك

are these not the same word?

47 to the menfolk share from what تَرَكَ left the parents
and for the womenfolk share from what تَرَكَ left the parents

411 third dual (2/3) what تَرَكَ left
the sixth from what تَرَكَ left

412 half what تَرَكَ left spouses yours

... تَرَكَ ...The subject is obviously the deceased father.

تَرَكَ is the deceased son. ...
... that the deceased has also left a son.

peace, to interpret as "son" you're ascribing as pagans not ruling out daughters

6100 and attribute they of to him sons and daughters in other than knowledge
6101 originator the skies and the land how being to him walad (male/female)

5319-20 l-lata (the idol/goddess) wal-uzā wamanata

لِأَبَوَيْهِ ... the person who has died leaving behind heritage and bereaved parents and a son. ...

تَرَكَ. ... It means that One-Sixth is drawn from the heritage which he has left behind.

no, not "he has left" and their spouses where not other men laugh

411 so for them (f/pl.) third dual (2/3) what تَرَكَ "left"
412 and for you half what تَرَكَ "left" spouses yours

Peace centi50

If you prefer one up to you and her like cousin marriage

with leading alif different meaning ie work system see below

twos and threes and fours masculine groups refers to people

‎43 … فانكحوا (ie what Musa’s father in-law did) ما what طاب seem moral لكم to you (m/pl.) من of النسا the womenfolk (f/pl.) مثنى twosome/twos (m) وثلث and threes (m) وربع and fours (m) فان so if خفتم fear you (m/pl.) الا that not تعدلوا thou equitable ye of فوحده so communally او or ما ma/what ملكت malakat/entrust اىمنكم aymanukum/right hands yours ذلك such ادنى lowermost الا that not تعولوا thou oppress ye of

If they cannot afford to marry one how two?

Likewise, doesn’t say males to marry males

‎2432 وانكحوا (ie help marry sponsor eg what father in law of Musa did, a work arrangement) الاىمى the unwed (m/pl.) منكم among you (pl.) والصلحىن and the righteous (m/pl.) من from/among عبدكم devotees yours (m/pl.) واماىكم and devotees yours (f/pl.) ان if ىكونوا being they of فقرا poor ىغنهم enriches them الله the God من from فضله bounty his والله and the God واسع extensive علىم knower

‎2827 قال said انى indeed I ارىد want ان that انكحك betroths you (sing.) احدى one (f) ابنتى daughters two mine هتىن these two على on ان that تاجرنى thou work for me ثمنى eight حجج hijajin

4128-130 is about divorce, if she wants out don’t leave her hanging — we’re not catholics

Lastly, these were on earth when the universe was ~10 billion years old.

The oldest known fossils, in fact, are cyanobacteria from Archaean rocks of western Australia, dated 3.5 billion years old. This may be somewhat surprising, since the oldest rocks are only a little older 3.8 billion years old! Cyanobacteria are among the easiest microfossils to recognize.

peace,
marry as many you can afford (they have to agree of course) as long as they are not sisters simultaneously

‎423 وان and that تجمعوا thou assemble (cohabit) ye of بىن between الاختىن the sisters two الا except ما what قد assuredly سلف befell ان indeed الله the God كان be غفورا forgiver of رحىما merciful of

Let me respectfully say to you. The Age of something implies the time it took to create it. Let me give you an example and analogy, which you use a lot to explain this.

Let's say you created a painting. It took you 5 days to make it. Once you finished making it in 5 days, you say to your son, 'I made this painting in 5 days'. Your son was 10 years old when you told him this. When you son become 15 years old, he told his sister that father made this painting in 5 days. He wouldn't say our father made this painting in 5 years and 5 days.

Got it?

You're confused! If God said 1400 years ago, I created Earth in 2 periods, He's speaking of how much time it took to ceate Earth at the time of revelation. Now if after a billion years humans think of God's 2 periods for Earth creation, they wouldn't say that God created the Earth in 2 periods +1 billion years, they would say that a billion years ago, God created the Earth in 2 periods.

What I don't understand is that if you know that Quran 419 says clearly that Earth is created in 2 periods and the seven heavens is created in 2 periods as well. Do you think God would create a tiny little speck like Earth in 2 periods and would take the same time of 2 periods to create seven multiverses or seven layers of Universe which are far more bigger than Earth? Does your view rationalize at all? Don't reply, just ask yourself these questions.

Your analogies are all wrong. If I am 42 years old and I create a car in 14 years, that is not to say that my age and car's age have anything in common. Where is Quran saying that God's age is Nauzubillah 12 periods and then the Universe's age is 6 periods? Why are you not understanding things? Or all this is beyond your mental capacity. Sorry for being rude but you left me no option; you're not making any sense.

Okay let's assume I am all wrong. Which is what you love to prove. Right? Now give me the explanation of what is the meaning of 2 periods, 4 priods or 6 periods in Quran and if it doesn't mean anything useful for us, why would God give this knowledge to us? Does God gives us information that doesn't mean anything? What is knowledge except for truth? What purpose is knowledge if that doesn't guide or help you to know anything. You're putting God in a very unreasonable light.

Bring all the skeptics and apologists you're so darn sure will refute me to debate with me if you're so sure. You can just say stuff without refuting yourself. Everyone has mouth, everyone can say stuff. You didn't prove me wrong or anything. All you're doing is extending this conversation without using any logical argument but given false analogies. Just because you don't want to accept something.

In Islam we're told to accept our mistakes even when it is against our own selves. Farther from accepting mistakes, you're adamant to prove me wrong even when you can look clearly that I am backing everything up with Science as well as Quran's own verses.

7115 talks about seven heavens then 716 talks about Sun and Moon. Why can't you answer this? Why is God referring to Sun and Moon in the following verse? Why? Why? Why? What significance do the Seven Heavens have with Sun and Moon. Especially the Moon. Is Moon a star? Or are Sun and Moon so above that they are in the second or seventh heaven? I mean why? Why God says 'He created amidst them Sun and Moon'. This is only logical to say that God is saying that seven celestial bodies of classical antiquity include Sun and Moon which I already proved to you exists in the antiquity.

1400 years ago, people used to say that seven wanders (that's what Greeks called them) are Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. They are the only Solar System bodies that can be seen by naked eyes, even today. Only planets that we can't see by naked eyes are Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. For them you need telescope. When God spoke to Bedouins of 1400, he was referring to them according to what they already knew about these bodies. Furthermore, in history, there are many tafseers and exegesis that explain these seven heavens to be seven bodies of solar system that I talk about. Are they also wrong and only you are correct?

What use is for me to continue to talk to you? Tell me? You're not refuting me. All you're doing is trying to yank the chains of previous intrepreters who didn't know about Science as much as we know in this time period. What I would say is that you continue to believe what you believe and let me believe what I want to believe. Bye!

Poor kid really bad examples. Again this is very basic “logic” and you want to translate Qur’an. We know the earth was present ie already “created” 2 billion years ago some say covered in ice pole to pole and did not take 4.6 billion years to “create it” likewise suggest you learn basic gender of words eg feminine sky/skies which cannot refer to masculine planets or the moon etc.

Open separate thread/topic one word at a time I’ll try to answer.

Peace and bye!

Okay here's the timeline (Note 'Ayam' = 'Days, Periods, Time Periods&#039

Age of Universe 13.8 billion years = 6 periods
Age of Earth 4.54 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Sun 4.603 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Moon 4.53 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Mercury 4.503 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Venus 4.503 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Mars 4.603 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Jupiter 4.603 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Saturn 4.503 billion years = 2 periods
(Google the above if you're in doubt)

Time for Earth's blessings = 9 billion years = 4.5 x 2 (2 periods till it's creation + 2 periods till Sun dies)
When will Sun die = 5 billion years (4.5 billion years Sun will become red giant and all life on Earth will perish)

Read these 5038, 419 to 4112 and 6512 again

... Created Heaven and Earth and whatever is in them in 6 periods... (503
...He who created the earth in two days... (419)
... sustenance in four days... (4110)
... when it was all like smoke (4111) (Solar Nebula was like cloud that formed Sun, Moon, Earth and other planets)
... completed them as seven heavens within two days (4112) (All bodies of our Solar System were formed in 2 periods, just like Earth)
... Who created seven heavens, and their like of earth (6512) (Earth is a Planet as well like other Planets)

My video shows these events in great detail https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuq23pklsx4

Age of these bodies of Solar System is proof that they match with Quran's time periods because we already calculated that Universe to Earth ratio of 2/6 is same ratio as said by Quran which 4.54 / 13.8 = 2 / 6 and after that we know science age of these bodies in Quran match with Science.

What you have to offer? I am offering marriage of Science and Religion. What does it serve?

Peace, again age has nothing to do with creation time.

It’s very simple concept since the universe was there 3 billion years ago
Likewise, the earth was there 3 billion years ago and planets, stars, etc

What’s so hard to understand that if you’re 42 years old and have a 14 year old car doesn’t mean it took 42 years to create you or 14 years to create your car?

Likewise, you use feminine words like sky/skies to reference masculine terms like moon and planets

You really should take down that video the missionaries will take you apart

Peace and all the best

Instead of أَوْ put Wa and read the Ayah with little sound. Do we feel some difference?

peace, obviously like changing this part of 423
or that thou cohabit ye of between the sisters two

aw an tajmaʿū bayna l-ukh'tayni
wa-an tajmaʿū bayna l-ukh'tayni

warsh et al would disagree and/or early scribes 100+ years before him

waqāla fir'ʿawnu
dharūnī aqtul mūsā
walyadʿu rabbahu
innī akhāfu an yubaddila dīnakum
wa-an yuẓ'hira fī l-arḍi l-fasāda
aw an yuẓ'hira fī l-arḍi l-fasāda

With due respect. You're wrong Sir. Science doesn't work based on your understanding of it.

peace!

which part is wrong, quote me? provide timeline what was created when?

754 103 117 574
خلق creation السموت the skies والارض and the land فى in سته six اىام days (eras)

72559 324 5038 خلقنا creation السموت the skies والارض and the land
وما and what بىنهما between them dual فى in سته six اىام days

419 خلق creation الارض the land فى in ىومىن days two
4110 اقوتها sustenance its فى in اربعه group of four اىام days
4112 فقضهن so accomplish them سبع seven سموت skies فى in ىومىن days two

Question was the universe in existence 1, 2, 3, …, 13 billion years ago?
Dr. Lincoln Fermilab (miss visiting recommend bison nearby restaurant)

https//miro.medium.com/max/640/1*XQgr4SBto0-xRu1D9ZaVQA.jpeg
What really happened at the Big Bang?
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZdvSJyHvUU

Question what does its "age" have to do with how long it took to create?

e.g., builder made the houses and the garage فى fi/in 6 days 14 years ago
i.e., فى fi/in/within <= less than/equal (the work began sometime in 200

moreover, builder made the garage within 2 days
also, builder supplied the garage within 4 days
so he completed them seven houses within 2 days

Question how many days did the builder take to build houses and garage?

Salam Alayka,

The verse you mentioned, will be translated into

And He is God in the heavens and on earth.

ok if like to use heavens whatever it means then be consistent

الْقُمُر the moon (masculine) root ق م ر
كَوْكَب cosmic objects (masculine) root ك و ك ب
نَجْم star (masculine) root ن ج م‎
عُطَارِد mercury (masculine) root ط ر د‎
اَلْمِرِّيخ mars (masculine) root م ر خ‎
الْمُشْتَرِي jupiter (masculine) root ش ر ي‎
زُحَل saturn (masculine) root ز ح ل‎
الزُّهَرَة venus (feminine) root ز ه ر‎
الشَّمْس the sun (feminine) root ش م س
سَمَآء samā/sky (feminine) root س م و‎
sky/skies i.e., everything above and beyond (celestial realms)

https//ak.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5837156/preview/stock-footage--k-incredible-night-sky-stars-panorama-time-lapse-over-sand-dunes-in-the-death-valley-desert.webm

we look back at the past 13.8 billion years ago (uncertain)
if over 14 billion light can never reach us due to expansion

some estimate that all we currently see i.e., the billions of galaxies, etc., is like an atom compared to the actual size of the universe and likewise each point including "us" is literally at the center!

peace and take care

https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/6/verse/3/manuscripts/163/page/45v

https//i.postimg.cc/TPk53x09/ch5v116-ch6v6.jpg

There are three types of occurrences in Quran related to root word s-m-w-t

Sama - Sky, Atmosphere etc.
Saba Samawaat - Seven bodies of Classical Antiquity
Samawaat - Planets, Stars, Clusters, Universe or Universes

Samawaat - means any of the bodies of Universe including far reaches of our Universe and beyond. I

am not saying that Universe is limited in just these seven heavens. It is you who is assuming God only made seven heavens in total. Where in Quran it is said that 'I God, created seven heavens and that's all there is?' Where?

Saba Samawaat is Seven bodies of Classical Antiquity.

109 السما
9 والسما
1 سما
1 وىاسما
120 total (feminine sing.)

182 السموت
3 والسموت
5 سموت
190 total (feminine plural)

context is your friend where you get classical antiquity meanings?

Here's why. 7115 mentions 'Saba Samawaat' i.e. Seven Heavens and in next verse 716 mentions Sun and Moon.

Let's assume God doesn't mean 'Saba Samwaat' to mean Seven bodies of Classical Antiquity. Why would he then say in 7116 ''And made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp?'

Why would God continue to verse 716 in this fashion? How is Moon and Sun significant for Seven Multiverses, Seven Layers of Observable Universe and Seven Layers of Atmosphere?

7115 الم did not تروا see (realize) ye of كىف how خلق creation الله the God سبع seven سموت samāwātin (feminine pl.) طبقا superimposed of (thing that matches in form)

7116 وجعل and made القمر the moon (masculine) فىهن in them (feminine pl.) نورا light of وجعل and made الشمس the sun (feminine) سرجا radiant lamp of

I explained you already in my first reply as well that Samawaat is often used for stars, clusters, galaxies already in Quran. Why do you want to insist then God mentioning 'Saba Samawaat' is what God has created altogether and nothing else? It is your assumption based on previous belief you had. What this has to do with what actually is?

Where does in Quran it is said that God created seven heavens only. Tell me one verse where it is said so.

Furthermore, what keeps you away from the clarity in my video that speaks of how age of these seven bodies of classical antiquity as well as Age of Earth match perfectly with Science? Simple question to you.

What did God mean to say when he said he created seven heavens in layers? Do you think He's talking about layers beyond observable Universe? If you believe this based on Hadiths then note that even those Hadiths are all Zai'f as pointed out in my video.

What good purpose it is to reply to you continuously if you are not even open to look at the possibility, let alone accept it? You're not pointing me any mistakes in my video, all you're doing is continuing to rattle on with what you previously believed. Why not you continue to believe what you already believe and leave me alone then if you're not ready to even address specifics and clear proofs in my video.

That's like asking me, Why Quran says, 'We have adorned the worldly heaven with decoration of planets.' (Quran 376) mentions planets for decoration of sky? Planets are so few in number, how can they decorate the sky? Go ask God. Don't ask me this.

'We have adorned the worldly heaven with decoration of stars' (Quran 4112)

You should ask God why he did that not me. He should have only revealed 4112 and leave out 376. Right?

So why shouldn't I just shut up instead and don't speak to you. I don't see the point of Muslims now that have nothing Scientific in their arsenal and don't even question others like Students but always want to be a Teacher to everyone.

You're saying stuff like it is difficult to have conversation with you unless you continue with xyz verse. Why can't you yourself open your eyes wide, learn what is Scientific Method, see what logical fallacies if any I have made in my little video I sent you, and find the mistakes or arabic or science in it. You're not offering me anything helpful to improve my research or adding on to it, what you're doing is trying to strip away what I already have proven. All I want is that you disprove it. Simple.

again, only asked you to translate exactly the first six words in 63?
وهو الله فى السموت وفى الارض

simple question, right? btw, you write too much need to focus one word at a time.

I am not obliged to answer you about anything until you can ask a question that makes any sense. You yourself are limiting God's Universe by assuming that God made seven heavens and nothing else. It's you who are the problem, not me. I am open to Samawaat to mean objects of our Universe and beyond. All I am saying is that Quran makes it very clear that seven heavens is seven bodies of classical antiquity. This is not only based on 7115, 7116 but also 675, 676, 677 and 678. And even 41-9 to 12.

where am I assuming, quote me?
again, "heaven/s" is a biblical poets term, why you keep using it?

If you give a one liner answer again, please don't care to answer. Just forget it that we even had a conversation. I don't want to listen rattling of baseless arguments because then I rather ignore such people as a waste of time. If you can refute me with a detailed reply from what I have pointed out in my video, then you're welcome to answer.

again, all over the place need focus one word at a time.

What use is saying Salam or Peace be upon you etc. when we just want no Peace and just want to argue just for the sake of arguing. Only because we have a keyboard. Have something substantial that helps? Or want to make me feel myself stupid only?

Salam Alekum!

654 سلم salam/peace علىكم alaykum/upon you (pl.)
1947 سلم salam/peace علىك alayka/upon you (sing.)

again, you keep addressing me with plural "kum" (3+)?
again, if you want to do a translation; need to be precise!
again, you assume; quote where I made you feel stupid?

Walekum Salam - peace upon you too.

limited, what about billions of galaxies?
63 وهو and he الله the God فى in السموت the skies وفى and in الارض the land

For billions of galaxies Quran uses Samawaat at various places like Quran (503 where it is talking about whole Universe completed in 6 Periods. Why are you assuming that if Quran said that there are 'Saba Samawaat' then it automatically means that other heavens do not exist that are far beyond them?

peace, if going to translate need to be precise e.g. you addressed me as plural.

watched your video it's all over the place need to focus one topic/word at a time
likewise, you assume that I assume and use biblical terms by poets e.g. "heaven"
“The mind is its own place and, in itself can make a heaven of hell or a hell of heaven.” – John Milton

we cannot continued this discussion until you first resolve the verse above

63 وهو and he الله the God فى in السموت l-samāwāti? وفى and in الارض the land

according to your video you're limiting The Almighty to earth and 7 planets?

btw, get rid of that awful glow font

سلم علىك peace upon you! welcome to the forum!

In it I prove without doubt, how Seven Heavens in Quran are actually Seven bodies of Classical Antiquity, 'The Sun', 'The Moon', 'Mercury', 'Venus', 'Mars', 'Jupiter' and 'Saturn' which are visible through naked eyes.

limited, what about billions of galaxies?
63 وهو and he الله the God فى in السموت the skies وفى and in الارض the land

not always literal or timebound
896 الم did not تر see (realize) كىف how فعل dealt ربك lord your بعاد with Aad

Webb Telescope "see" applicable today
https//youtu.be/shPwW11MEHg?t=180

sun, moon, and stars mentioned separate
2218 الم did not تر see (realize) ان that الله the God ىسجد prostrated له to him من entities فى in السموت the skies ومن and entities فى in الارض the land والشمس and the sun والقمر and the moon والنجوم and the stars

https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/17/verse/36/manuscripts/107/page/1r

https//i.postimg.cc/3x6xb0vT/ch17v35-46.jpg

The وَ is not possible grammatically. Waw conjuncts. It is apprehension of two possibilities. Giving options either---or

peace,

أَوْ أَنْ aw an/or that (logical OR)
2 occurrences 1187 2045

68 occurrences وَأَنْ wa-an/and that (logical AND)
also وَأَنَّ wa-anna (anna i.e., an inna)/and that indeed

scribes close to revelation didn't all error on the same word

likewise, no fatha, kasra, damma diacritic marks back then

2nd line from top middle word
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/40/verse/26/manuscripts/377/page/21r

https//i.postimg.cc/Bn4DL3XF/40-26-1.jpg

7th line from bottom 4th word
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/40/verse/26/manuscripts/37/page/2v

https//i.postimg.cc/JhgGqC4P/40-26-3.jpg

15th line from top middle word
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/40/verse/26/manuscripts/173/page/22v

https//i.postimg.cc/KvF4QNxS/40-26-2.jpg