Hmmm food for thought.

Very good post. Welcome back.

PEACE

Welcome.

I back what HP-TECH recommends to read and study the quran and not be swayed by interpretations/opinions of anyone. This is a start of your journey to connect with the Creator and there are important principles/axioms in the quran. Do your best to connect the dots and let the Creator if He wills show you a glimpse of reality. I have learnt not to stay rigid and stuck in my conclusions on things and to remain open minded as that?s what led me to finding the Creator via qur?an.

The human being is impatient by nature. I will inevitably show you My signs; do not be in such a hurry. 2137

And on the earth are signs for those who comprehend. 5120

We will show them Our signs in the horizons, and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that this is the truth. Is it not enough that your Lord is witness over all things. 4153

PEACE

Welcome.

Shahada, convert and Hadith are all religious man made constructs. Islam is a practical way of life which requires no public declaration like shahada. Islam is a way of freeing you from mental and physical bondage?s whether it is religious or non-religious. Question everything and seek patience with the Creator to guide you using his scripture and nature/reality.

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subhanallah at the verses you posted. but Allah is not the creation. after the creation has perished only Allah will remain. the cause to the effect. Allah is the cause. the universe and creation is the affect. PEACE

In my opinion you run into a problem with that statement as Allah states numerous times He is everywhere thus He is the creation BUT and I emphasise the but because as you also state He is beyond His creation so we will never comprehend Him fully and it would be incorrect of us to personify or limit Allah to creation.

I believe panentheism is the best conceptualised notion of Allah...the universe being contained 'within' Allah and yet Allah being 'outside' the universe. Seems odd at first but we have to take into account that we are confined to dimensions while Allah is beyond them and within them.

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In my opinion we would be conjecturing as only The God knows the "true" followers.

And submitting requires action which we can't account for in this poll so again we wouldn't know who are the submitters.

In my opinion labels can create divisions so I tend to refrain from calling myself and others as muslim, submitter etc as I tend to see these labels as descriptions and not titles in the great reading.

Also from my understanding of the great reading numbers are irrelevant win it comes to victory from The God.

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In my opinion he astral travelled in his sleep. The notion of it being a physical journey has never sit right with me. Whether it refers to muhammed or moses thats another point of discussion.

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Brilliant.

Thanks for sharing this. Has anyone read the full book?

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Salaam.

Welcome and glad to see a new member. How did you discover quran being divine..would be interesting to know.

Also there are some good articles on the main page of free minds incase you haven't read them it would be worthwhile.

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Maha you even don't know the difference between freedom of expression and garbage

read my post in the the following link

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604364.30

One mans freedom of expression is another mans garbage.

And it's fine if it's just kept at the realms of that.

PEACE

Now, let us see "how not to misinterpret" what I said above. If you murder a person today, can you go to the judge in the court and blame it on the argument that "it was destined, the universe may have infinite possibilities, but only one specific event dominates. Therefore, let me go, I am not responsible, it was predetermined" ??

Ofcourse anyone would find such an argument absurd. Because , despite the universe having only one fixed future, it was your personal choice that lead you into the murder. Despite the universe having only one fixed future, you were warned in advance of the consequences of your action if you so wish to carry them out.

Anyways, you run into problems when you picture human beings as the "centre of atrraction", the "reason", the "meaning" of this huge universe we leave in. Ofcourse, all parts of this giant system, the universe, complement each other. That way, the rivers are meant for us and we are meant for them. But most theologians and religious folks often find comfort in the idea that the universe exists because of us. Kind of a selfish-arrogant attitude. The way I see it is that all parts of the universe exists for each other. It has to, there is no option.

I completely agree with this. The repeated notion of the universe being created for human etc cannot hold weight if we look at the signs in the universe. We now know that the basic elements such as nitrogen in our dna, calcium in our teeth all comes from collapsing stars. We as species are just a small cog in the giant universe which all is dependant on each other as stages for each creation to be created. Reminds me of the verse that the universe was not created for amusement, it truly is a working masterpiece, an ongoing masterpiece from the Most High.

PEACE

^^Very well said and I agree.

To IAMOP I disagree with your comment about paradise being something our mind can encompass as it's something we cannot imagine thus the imagery and descriptions in the Quran are given as allegorical.

In regards to energy being the substance of paradise formation it is a wild guess imo, unless you have any verses inferring this. I am of the opinion based on quranic reading that the next universe's creation is intrinsically linked to this universe's creation i.e. you reap what your sow for the next life, but in regards to substances(if any) and laws(if any) of the next universe, I think that knowledge rests with Allah alone.

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Who said anything about selling?

Do you think people would need to use something like "money" in paradise when you have the creator of all things granting your every desire?

If this film were not free to distribute, own and modify it would totally negate itself. sun

Your initial post proposed a question on why nobody has done this and my reply about selling was in relation to that. Of course money would be useless in an unimaginable dimension(paradise) so I don't know why your saying this for the sake of it.

Please read posts carefully before making assertions...helps with the flow of the discussion handshake

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Because it wouldn't sell as much as showing fear, destruction, hopelessness. Money is the great illusion at the moment and soon will be destroyed as all falsehoods are destroyed.

As individuals we can strive to change this mental attitude with others but unfortunately religion has shifted the paradise into something for the next life while the quran alludes to paradise being here and now also.

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Interesting topic this is turning out to be.

What i find interesting is how the quran describes jinns being chased out of heavens by projectiles which when observing our reality could possibly hint to being ufos.??

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Hope you are all well. I will see you around, Insha Allah.

Wassalaam.

Look forward to your input on this forum.

PEACE

Some researchers have thought about the possibility of creatures operating in the range of plasma electricity. Is this what you mean, Johan ?

Peace,

kamzo

I quoted you with the response of energy beings.

Yeh I agree with you energy beings is inaccurate and I believe plasma beings maybe more relevant in describing them.

It would be interesting if anyone has an article they can post possibly linking jinns, nephilim, annunaki, arkans etc and getting a better picture of jinns. Not saying that the listed are synonymous and that the quran is inaccurate but the problem lies in deciphering our reality to what the quran is trying to tell us.

PEACE

salam Johan and Prince,

Thanks for your insights. You think well about all that stuff, Prince. In my area of research, that is Old Semitic Languages, I noticed something very interesting about the nature of so called spirits/jinns, even in other ancient civilizations ( Mayan, Greek, Hindu,...). In Ancient Arabic language, there is effectively a clue to the nature of what jinns are.

Energy beings?

Please share.

PEACE

Salaam Kizmo.

David Icke is an interesting researcher and I find it interesting how the reptilian symbology is all over the world and throughout ancient history. I'm aware of the verse in the Quran of how Moses is instructed to throw his staff and it becomes serpent like which the word in arabic comes from the same root word as jinn....so maybe that there is a clue to the nature of what jinns are....whether they can shape shift as some believe I haven't come across any clues in the Quran.

I believe the modern technology we have was discovered through "alien" contact possibly through Roswell incident in New Mexico hence why Area 51 is a no go area and very secretive.

Based on my reading of the quran there's no doubt that we are NOT alone in being the only conscious beings in this universe, whether they fall under the jinn category or the category of other creations of Allah I'm still unsure.

PEACE

This book is brilliant using Quranic verses to prove extraterrestrial life form existing

http//www.authonomy.com/books/11309/extraterrestrial-intelligence-amazing-new-insights-from-qur-an/read-book/?chapterid=107997#chapter

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Last but not least... "Race" just like "Religion" is a social identity.. scientifically "Race" doesn't exist...

A Jew are those who claimed to be a jew... An Arab are those who claimed to be Arabs, A chinese are those who claimed to be Chinese, An Indians are those who claimed to be Indians etc...

And the situation remains very much the same up until now isn't it??

Salam / Peace

Salaam.

What you are describing is nationality and not race/ethnicity which is evident by looking around you with the diversity of humans and is/was a part of Allah's plan in creating different races/ethnicity as per 4913. Nothing wrong in identifying yourself with a certain race/ethnicity within limits set by the Quran but nationalism is a ideological cancer for humans that needs eradicating.

Those in control aka elite promote nationalism to keep the majority in control and create the illusion of us vs them.

PEACE