salam good point, i wonder that myself sometimes. but more i wonder when people do interact with each other how badly they mistreat one another, its like they forget theyre dealing with fellow human beings. idk how it got to this, slowly i guess, from an early age, and people eventually came to accept it as normal, to mind their own business, to fear others, to mistreat each other.... life to me, it means more school work hehe, it means education, development, ... has nothing to do with how much money you got, how many kids you want, how much pleasure youre getting, how big a house you got..... has to do with how you behave how you are as a person life to me is an experience in a particular realm, like dreams are another reality, this life is another reality, and one day we will wake up and see what we did and how we were wrong.... this particular life is supposed to be hard the way it is, theres supposed to be pain, suffering, disasters... its because God made evil in it, its nothing wrong with that, its supposed to be an obstacle, so lets see who of us can overcome it

Salaam Prince, I went to the freemen of the land groups to increase my knowledge on natural law, there are a large number now being established, but they are trying to apply a single aspect of a four model approach so struggle, also they do not understand the original lawful models before William the Bastard, on which topic I have been giving public talks, I'm giving my next one in Nottingham on the 23rd March, I am educating the freemen on the land groups by giving them talks. Islamic models like natural law are the way to free every peoples around the world, without the need for violence, just through the application of the law of the land, also known as natural (common) law. Common law principles All men/women are created equal This means no one can be superior in law to anyone else therefore all sovereigns, monarchs, hierarchies are against common law So you can have no superior A Charter is a superior giving an inferior man a right; all charters are against common law. All slave master business models, as now is the dominant form, are against common law. Your right to contract is without limit You CANNOT impose a contract upon another, contract can only be imposed upon yourself Government is CONTRACT imposed upon you through legislation as statute, all statute and so all legislation is imposed as contract upon you, this is against common law therefore government is against common law in the form of a legislator. You can only contract with another living man/women This means you cannot contract with abstract legal fictions of state, corporation, church or company, as these forms of contract are not supported within common law. This further removes the idea of government as valid. The abstract fictions of Democracy, State, Nation, Peoples, Subject, etc. are not recognised in common law All Courts are bound by common law as the highest form This means a court must be structured within a twelve peer committee plea, with remedy based upon torts, or established through peer decision, free of all superior judgement. So all courts with a superior judge, magistrate or sovereign stand in opposition of common law. You cannot own anything This means you only have an allodial right of personal use or an allodial right of communal use. So all deeds, estate, eminent domain, and all tenancy stand against common law. So if you rent out property you are breaking common law as you cannot rent what you do not own. You only own what you yourself create This means if you add no labour of value to land, the land has no saleable value, it remains free, you can only sell your labour, the earth and its extant resources are always free, and cannot be charged.

To fight off my right hand? laugh No to cut off your right hand.

Peace, Interesting read but where does he say that animals can tell right from wrong? I think that is just a journo's headline to get everyone's attention Jack ) I have to admit only skim reading (sorry, I gotta go in a min) but is this not a question of confusion over instincts etc? For example the chimp with cerebral palsy - isn't it possible that it wasn't subjected to the same level of intimidation because it was clearly not a threat? Rather than because chimps are really caring about disability?? Come on!! Chimps are known to commit really violent acts sometimes too (granted, just like humans). Don't get me wrong, I have a very strong appreciation for the social structure of animals and I do believe they were given gifts that we as humans can only dream of. However, that does not mean that they also have the same qualities that we have. I personally don't believe that they have the same ability to know AND choose what to do based on right and wrong in a moral sense.

you should take a look at that video tho. it explains alot. Prophet Muhammed did not know the future according to Allah's words. I trust Allah's words when He tells us Prophet Muhammed does not know the future. I've not seen the video but I can remember reading sometime ago about dajjal and the one eye which many traditionalists say predicts the one eye on the dollar bill. What those people fail to remember is that the one eye is an occult symbol used long before Prophet Muhammed and may very well have been used by the elite back then. Thus it does not make hadith collections about the future correct which on the other hand the quran has 'signs' about the future so I know which one I will stick with. peace PEACE

Highly recommend this documentary http//www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00vs684/Secrets_of_the_Universe/ Greg Foot uses novel methods to answer the mysteries of the universe, such as explaining the Big Bang by playing guitar at 60 mph and blowing up a watermelon in slow-motion. peace

Could you please post the verses.....i always thought the earth would be spheroid for the Day of Judgement. PEACE Peace, Respect. Sometimes when I think of the arrival of The Judgment Day, it seems to me that Time stops and nothing else matters, except my actions, they get different value, bigger, more important. God knows best. Peace.

I am always somewhat mytified when people see clearly that the end of the world, or of civilisation is coming, or a new extinction of species end-of-the-world-like or whatever. 20.15 I see as a reminder of the fact that that every soul will be weighd and every atom of good will be acknowledged, and every atom of evil will be acknowledged. A do not particularly bind that to any worldly event. In the dunya we are in a material realm where everything is constrained and subject to the time and space dimensions. Once we are dead, do we know what kind of conditions we will be in? Will time-space be of any consequence. 72.27 does not say anything about the future, it talks about al-Ga'ib. Al ga'ib may well be beyond space-time constraints and not refer at all to end of the world. The end of the world is at hand, that is for sure, for many of us much closer than fifty years. The end of the world is when we die. Salaam

i don't know about books, i mostly read online articles, here's a few http//www.successconsciousness.com/index_000086.htm http//www.dlshq.org/download/thought_power.htm http//flavoursofindia.tripod.com/thoughts.html what interests me is how they work in a way, for example, when you want something to happen and fear that it may not, that fear will manifest first, and the bad thing happens, something you didn't want, but feared... and that fear is very subtle, you may not even notice it. and if you want something, they say best thing is to not go for it (vigorously), not to force it to happen, as if when you try to force it, it goes further and further away, so best would be to not think about it, let it go and it will come to you. strange, yet somehow in on a few occasions, i found it to be true. but the crazy part is that even though i'm aware of it i still make the mistake, can't control thoughts in that way and fear becomes reality.

Peace, Alen's comment clearly displayed a concept of Fatalism, that God has determined the people in hunger, are dying and so on. That this is God's plan. But this is nonsense, look what the Qur'an says 3647 And when it is said to them, Spend on others of the provision Allah has given to you, the rejecters say to the believers, Shall we feed anyone whom Allah could have fed if He so willed? You people are obviously lost in error. Only an Iblis believes God has determined things for him (Surah 7 "You have determined this for Me!", this is why Iblis also means a person that is dissapointed, depressed, coming from Balasa. A typical behaviour of a depressed person is not to accept responsibility for their own actions. In the movie "Kingdom of Heaven" a very interesting scene appears, Saladin is confronted by a prince who complains to him that he should have fought against the Christian army they just met. Saladin says he will never fight this far away from water (they were in the middle of the desert). The prince then says "God would have won this battle for us!". Saladin gets mad and says "No, God and preparations win a battle. How many battles did the Muslims win before I came, or rather, when God had send me?" The prince answered "Only a few, but that was because were sinners." Saladin "No! Because you were unprepared. The distance to water, sufficient supplies, the amount of men, good horses. These win battles." What you have are 2 different Islam's confronting each other. The prince represents Fatalism, one who believes it doesn't matter how much you prepare, God will let you win anyway as long as you believe. Saladin represents Freewill and thus also own responsibility for the outcome of a battle. Who was right? 471 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Be fully prepared against danger. You shall remain alert to meet aggression. Take your precautions then mobilize in groups or all together as determined by your commander. 860 Make ready for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize so that you may deter the enemies of Allah, and your enemies. And others beside them whom you know not, Allah knows them. Whatever wealth and effort you spend on your defenses, will be your spending in the Cause of Allah, and it will be repaid to you generously. And you shall not be wronged. Free will.... We decide ourselves if people die today of hunger, if people sleep outside in the cold or heat. If people have no protection, who are bombed, shot at, oppressed. We cannot put this in God's Hand and say it is part of His plan, giving us Free will is part of His plan, helping us to cope with Free will is part of His plan by sending the Qur'an to give us advice, His plan not this human suffering. He knew it would happen, but every drop of blood spilled is by OUR choice. 475 And why do you not fight in the cause of God, when the weak amongst the men and women and children Say "Our Lord, bring us out of this town whose people are wicked, and grant us from Yourself a Supporter, and grant us from Yourself a Victor!" Yasha or Will of Allah http//19.org/index.php?aid=553

Anyone come across this genius whoever he/they maybe before? Nevertheless enjoy Delivering a Khutba Once, Nasreddin was invited to deliver a khutba. When he got on the minbar (pulpit), he asked "Do you know what I am going to say?" The audience replied "NO", so he announced "I have no desire to speak to people who don't even know what I will be talking about" and he left. The people felt embarrassed and called him back again the next day. This time when he asked the same question, the people replied "YES". So Nasreddin said, "Well, since you already know what I am going to say, I won't waste any more of your time" and he left. Now the people were really perplexed. They decided to try one more time and once again invited the Mullah to speak the following week. Once again he asked the same question - "Do you know what I am going to say?" Now the people were prepared and so half of them answered "YES" while the other half replied "NO". So Nasreddin said "The half who know what I am going to say, tell it to the other half" and he left! Two sides of a river Nasreddin sat on a river bank when someone shouted to him from the opposite side "Hey! how do I get to the other side?" "You are on the other side!" Nasreddin shouted back. Whom do you trust A neighbour comes to the gate of Mulla Nasreddin's yard. The Mulla goes out to meet him outside. "Would you mind, Mulla," the neighbour asks, "lending me your donkey today? I have some goods to transport to the next town." The Mulla doesn't feel inclined to lend out the animal to that particular man, however; so, not to seem rude, he answers "I'm sorry, but I've already lent him to somebody else." Suddenly the donkey can be heard braying loudly behind the wall of the yard. "You lied to me, Mulla!" the neighbour exclaims. "There it is behind that wall!" "What do you mean?" the Mulla replies indignantly. "Whom would you rather believe, a donkey or your Mulla?" Two Questions (retold by Nasruddin) It came to be that I was a mulla. This was when I was much younger. Now a mulla is an interesting job. A mulla is a teacher, a preacher, and a judge. I studied the Q'uran, and became quite familiar with the Sharia, the traditional Islamic laws, and began my time as a mulla in a little village in a far corner of the country. Now a mulla is considered a wise man, and for some reason, the villagers considered me one. They would ask me questions concerning aspects of their lives in which I was not expert at all. "Oh, Mulla Nasruddin, please tell me what I should do about my daughter!" "I'm sorry, sister, but you must work that out for yourself. I don't have a daughter, so I cannot tell you anything useful." "Mulla Nasruddin! My business is in terrible trouble! What should I do?" "Brother,you see I don't have a business, so I cannot tell you anything useful." "But you are such a wise man, Mulla Nasruddin! Please help me, please!" "All right, here's what you should do..." "Yes? Yes?" the man asked eagerly. "Pray to Allah for wisdom." He was not so happy with this answer. I think he had already tried that and found that Allah no matter how much wisdom Allah provided, he would not be able to do much with it himself. Finally the situation got completely out of hand. People began to pester me with questions night and day. I was sleeping in the starlight on my roof, and a pebble hit me on the forehead. On reflection, it was more of a stone than a pebble. I feared it might have done permanent damage. I looked over the edge, and there in the street was a man looking up. "Mulla Nasruddin, are you asleep?" "I find it hard to sleep when stones are falling from Heaven," I said. "It was only a little pebble, Mulla, besides, I have a question." "Brother, it is the middle of the night!" "My question is very important, or I would not have disturbed you. Please come down and we can discuss it." "Just give me the gist of it, and I'll ponder it on my way down." "I need to know, Mulla Nasruddin, should I tell a prospective buyer that my donkey is sick?" "I don't need to come down for that one. Of course you should! Honesty is required of you. And as it is also required of me, I tell you honestly that question could have waited till morning; go home!" So it was, day and night, I couldn't even brush my teeth without being interrupted with questions. I brandished my miswak, my tooth-brushing twig, but somehow no one was frightened. Finally I hit upon a solution. Beside my door I put a sign that said in large letters, "Two questions for $100." Peace at last! Days went by with no questions; it was lovely. But finally a rich man came to my door with a bag of gold hanging from his belt. "Nasruddin!" he called out. I came to the door. "May I help you?" "You are fortunate today," he said. "I have plenty of money." "You are the fortunate one,"I replied. "I can afford your two questions," he said, and raised one eyebrow. I have always wished I could do that. "So we are both fortunate," I said . "Indeed," the man said. "But, don't you think one hundred dollars is a little expensive for just two questions?" "Yes it is," I replied. "And what is your second question?"

I would recommend abortion if the soul wasn't blown yet in the fetus ( before 120 days). And I'll ask her husband to divorce her so she won't conceive from him again .

It is not for the prophet and those who believe that they should seek forgiveness for those who have set up partners, even if they are relatives, after it has been made clear to them that they are the dwellers of Hell. And Abraham seeking forgiveness for his father was only because of a promise he made to him. But when it became clear that he was God's enemy, he disowned him. Abraham was kind, compassionate. I think that sufficiently answers the question. Even Noah was asked to let go of his son. Given that God is most merciful, I doubt that if we make it to heaven we will have mercy on someone whom God has shown no mercy, even if they are family. We break ties of kinship when we move cities, I wonder how close we will be with our nearest when we move worlds.

The universe is big, so big we can't imagine how big it is. Then you see how powerful is God. And what amazes me more is that the universe will be replaced by another universe for Day Of Judgement. It's hard to imagine the universe being soooo big as it is now imagine in the next life ??? PEACE

Glad you brought this movie up. I haven't seen it in a long time. Maybe a good movie to revisit. The after life concept was very much like the concepts I've heard certain mystics believe in, even the reincarnation part too. I'm not sure if I subscribe to the idea mainly because it was so material , but definitly intersting for sure! peace

there is a recent discovery documentary called 'the lost tomb of jesus' actually produced by james cameron a great documentary ....you can find it at many of the torrent sites

Uppin for newer members O0

Tatoos are not forbidden duh. Though I would think allah in arabic would be real nice. sun

No, i only took the 'are you a bro or sis' test by Ahmed.... ;D

since we've (by "we" I mean myself and a few others) been discussing dreams lately I thought I'd give this thread a bump. by Tay The second comes at times of stress. They are known as nightmares. Emotions play out within the dream, often including people or things that we are close to in that moment in time. These dreams also act as reminders to contact people that may have been filed away into the subconscious. These dreams usually have a reality-based message - it is our consciousness crying out for attention to specific areas. Many times these areas are symbolically represented. My most recent one was of being chased by a vicious dog. When I analysed the meaning and the characters involved, I understood immediately what phase of my life required attention. Makes sense, I believe(d?) that's what (all) dreams do, but Tay highlighted other types of dreams....I've never actually experienced anything "new" or "unreal" in my dreams, they are all fairly realistic. By Idolfree1 The subconsious is a ENERGY part of our being, the FORCE. It is very powerful and once you get knowledge of the "Ruh Ul Qudus" (the force), That which moves things towards a goal, then there is a battle to convince you of your destination. May the Force be with you. wow that makes a lot of sense!