Peace SHM, 53 Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was sacrificed to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on alters, and what you divide by the arrows of chance. This is all vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not fear them, but fear Me. Today I have perfected your system/deen for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have accepted submission/islam as the system/obligation/deen for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Merciful. From the above ISLAM/submission = DEEN/system/obligation The context is religious laws of forbidden foods. 2256 There is no compulsion in the system/obligation/deen; the proper way has been made clear from the wrong way. Whoever rejects evil, and believes in God, then he has grasped the most solid branch that will never break. God is Hearer, Knower. From the above, no compulsion in deen/obligation. Combining the two, no compulsion in submission to God. Thus no compulsion in following religious laws such as forbidden foods, with no punishment in this life for eating forbidden foods. Now, if we study all the signs dealing with worldly punishments, we see that those punishments are only for violating some kind of fundamental human rights, or when one harms others in the society; for example stealing, murder, pornography etc. Hence, al-qur'aan differentiates religious laws (such as forbidden foods, dress codes, forbidden relations, inheritance laws, ribaa etc.) for which no punishment in this life for violation, from the social laws (stealing, murder, pornography etc.) for which there is punishment in this life for violation. Yep... makes sense to me, too.

The stars are really just the number of posts you've made on the forum. They start from 1 star to 5 stars. You have 2, because you have under 500 posts, if you go over 1000, you'll have 4 stars and 2000 for 5 stars. It's not a rating system in any way. thanks for explaining. I find that sad really. Like it's a popularity contest to be in a forum. It doesn't matter what you say, as long as people don't like you, you're done. No, here we have rules. to me I dont really view it as a popularity contest, however base on you explain, i understand why that feature was remove. I was thinking about how can one help eliminate the absolute authority of moderator over members and have more democracy. I thought such a rating system would help.

Honestly, shouldnt WE be concern of what harm or good this forum is presenting to OUR Muslim community? Do you truly care? Don't you want to know? Well I do. One can find/know without rankling people . so I guess I have to respect the rules although I feel the laws can be apply unjustly. With that being said, Savage Carrot, i will make my peace. Good to know bro. here are the survey result base on those you have participate so far (see attach PDF document). please review and make your own honestly opinion. Exactly, we make up our own minds. Peace.

Peace Allen, This is not a proof/evidence.This is you self concocted. Provide the evidence/proof from classical arabic sources like ; -Classical arabic dictionaries classical arabic literature. This is a common modus operandi of Quran aloner to dodge the people by 'self concocted ,fabricated ,preconceived ideas". Still waiting for evidence of these two words (Rumdan/Ramdan) from either -Classical arabic dictionaries or -Classical arabic literature I hope you will not run away NOTE One correction for you these standard words are called in English as "scales/measures' not "weights". Are you denying that the form with its various renditions as Fa3aLAN, Fa3LAN and Fu3LAN exist in the Arabic language? Let's see who is running away from answering. While you are at it, don't run away from giving an example of anything that you posted which is "intricate" requiring "advanced faculties" beyond what kids are fed in school. Either this or take your boasting words back like any honest humble person would. NOTE One correction for you these standard words are called in English as "scales/measures' not "weights". Why am I not surprised that you like to focus on the irrelevant? Peace, Ayman

Samia I understand you and you understand me. We do not agree!! Do you mean the prophet fought and killed those who refused to convert? I disagree here. He behaved as the quraan orders him (and us) no killing of those who refuse to convert just for that reason. No compulsion. Did he fight the people of the book in order to convert them? If he is a messenger of all the world, and his mission is to convert everyone, why did he fight some but not the others? He travelled and fought to deliver the message and killed the transgressants, and those who fought him to block the message from the masses. Why didn't he fight the kings of Abyssinia and of Egypt? These two countries continued to be Christians a long time after him. But he fought the Romans who were also Christians. I am sorry to say then you may have not gone through many verses which talk about "Captives/Slaves" "Jihaad" etc. Samia He travelled and fought to deliver the message and killed the transgressants, and those who fought him to block the message from the masses. So he Killed, why? While answering this may be you will arrive at what I failed to made you understand. Samia Why didn't he fight the kings of Abyssinia and of Egypt? These two countries continued to be Christians a long time after him. But he fought the Romans who were also Christians So he fought, WHy? Samia Did he fight the people of the book in order to convert them? If he is a messenger of all the world, and his mission is to convert everyone, why did he fight some but not the others? The time from which he was appointed as a Messanger till his death, he tried to fullfill his mission through travelling, Preaching, Killing, Fighting, Pardoning, may be if he lived further Abyssinia and Egypt would also be included in the list.

Peace lk/all, i think the biggest misconception about god is to appropriate "him" in a sectarian way thinking that "he" will shun any other believers than those of the faith one is believing in I second that. peace

Settled? For now. peace be on you... peace

I can see the ignore button under your avatars. So moderators CAN ignore. Can they be ignored? Do you see an ignore button under the avatar of any mod? What happens when someone presses the ignore button? What's the use if the others still see the message the ignorer wants to ignore? Lol its useful if you don't have the willpower to ignore someone by just not reading his/her posts. Peace Al

here we go again. I think these comment will need to be place in a separate thread I could tell you the entire universe is proof of the Quran's authenticity, does that tell you anything that allows you to come to an educated conclusion? NO. Not at all.

SHM, You disappoint me. A sincere person would have owned up to the mistakes I pointed out in my previous post and retracted them and apologised. You, on the other hand, persist in your way. Then you top it off by adding a "?" on the end of a statement even though it wasn't even a question, proving once again you understand very little of what we have discussed. OK. You got me Wakas. Surely I am not sincere. You got me

How pathetic is it when someone re-joins the forum under a different user name, just to bring up and support his own topic. ) OMG, what an ending... that's the second coolest ending of a thread i've seen.