Brother Ronin,

Yes, thank you very much!
I understand your point
Perhaps in this case, my beloved ChatGPT provided me with incorrect information based on outdated input

May God bless all of us
Salam!
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THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN FRIDAY SALAT AND "AL-SALAT AL-WUSTHA".

In my view, Friday salat essentially corresponds to "Al-Salat Al-Wustha," but it is performed in a special congregational form on a day called Friday

My analysis:
(1) There are three daily salat mentioned in the Quran, namely Fajr, Al-Wustha, and Isha

Their respective timeframe ...
Salat Fajr begins when Fajr appears and ends at sunrise
Salat Al-Wustha begins when the sun starts to decline from its highest point in the sky which is at noon and ends at sunset
Salat Isha begins as soon as the sun has set and ends when all light has disappeared from the night sky

For more details, please go to this link (Reply #12) ... https://forum.free-minds.org/topic/23970/so-is-it-twice-a-day-or-three-times-for-prayer/1

(2) The number of three daily salat should be preserved (4:103), even if a new name for salat is introduced in the Quran
Therefore, we need to determine which of these three salats is most compatible with the Friday salat mentioned in verses 62:9-11
I believe the best choice is "Al-Salat Al-Wustha," based on the following factors ...

It has the longest time span
Its timeframe is more convenient for mu'min
The essence of verses 62:9-11 aligns closely with "Al-Salat Al-Wustha"

Just my perspective
Thank you.

@Fusion So while historically the verse may indeed refer to the known day called Friday, I can also understand why some people argue that the essence of “Jumah” is the communal purpose itself. In principle, if a close community gathered consistently on another chosen day(say Sunday in western countries which makes it easier for people to gather as its weekend) with that same genuine purpose of remembrance of Allah, consultation, resolving community matters and strengthening moral and social order then one could argue that this would still fit the broader spirit and function behind the verse, be it any other day of the week for namesake.

Yes, for our era, this approach can perhaps be applied to countries where the holiday is not on Friday.
Thank you!

If the information provided by ChatGPT is accurate
We can infer that the sixth day of the week was traditionally used by Arab communities for communal gatherings long before Muhammad's time
Therefore, the reason why the congregational salat for believers is associated with this specific day in the Quran is likely related to this tradition

The location of the salat is not the main concern, as it can be performed in any suitable place such as on open land, in a mosque, or at home
This may also explain why the phrase "at the Masjid" is not mentioned in verse 62:9

Regarding the details procedure of the Friday salat, I do not have a definitive answer
But personally, I believe it should involve a physical ritual and a brief message from the highest authority like an ulama or a ruler

Just my take!
Thank you
So long!

INFO ONLY
(Just my personal take)

I think the accurate translation of the phrase "salati min yawmi al-jumuʿati" in verse 62:9 should be "salat on the day of Friday."

Why?
Because during the time of Muhammad, or even in pre-Islamic times, the sixth day of the week was already known as "Al-Jumu‘ah (الجمعة) day" or Friday in English
Therefore, the commandment regarding salat in verse 62:9 most likely refers to the salat on the Friday
Unless the designation of the sixth day as "Al-Jumu‘ah (الجمعة) day" was only established during Muhammad's era or afterward

I consulted ChatGPT to understand the naming of the days before and after Muhammad's time.

My question:
During Prophet Muhammad, can you recall the name of all seven days used by his community!

ChatGPT:
During the time of Prophet Muhammad, the community used the traditional Arabic names for the seven days of the week. These names are still known today and are derived from the classical Arabic language. The seven days are:

Al-Ahad (الأحد) – Sunday
Al-Ithnayn (الإثنين) – Monday
Ath-Thulatha’ (الثلاثاء) – Tuesday
Al-Arba‘a’ (الأربعاء) – Wednesday
Al-Khamis (الخميس) – Thursday
Al-Jumu‘ah (الجمعة) – Friday
As-Sabt (السبت) – Saturday

These names were used by the community during the Prophet’s time and are still recognized in the Arabic-speaking world today.

My question:
What is the meaning of arabic word for each arabic day in English

ChatGPT:
Here are the meanings of the Arabic names for each day of the week in English:

Al-Ahad (الأحد) – The One or The Single  
Al-Ithnayn (الإثنين) – The Two  
Ath-Thulatha’ (الثلاثاء) – The Three  
Al-Arba‘a’ (الأربعاء) – The Four  
Al-Khamis (الخميس) – The Fifth  
Al-Jumu‘ah (الجمعة) – Gathering/Friday (literally meaning "the day of congregation")  
As-Sabt (السبت) – The Sabbath or The Rest
These names are based on the Arabic numbering system for the days of the week (from one to five), with Friday being a special day for gathering, and Saturday traditionally called the Sabbath.

My question:
Can you check for me if there are any old names for each day of the week used by Arab communities before Muhammad's time!

ChatGPT:
Before the time of Prophet Muhammad, the Arab communities primarily used the same traditional Arabic names for the days of the week that are still in use today. These names are rooted in the Arabic language and are associated with numbers and specific cultural or religious practices.
Historically, there are no widely documented alternative ancient names for each day of the week that predate Islam and the Prophet Muhammad’s time. The Arabic names for the days—Al-Ahad, Al-Ithnayn, Ath-Thulatha’, Al-Arba‘a’, Al-Khamis, Al-Jumu‘ah, and As-Sabt—are consistent with pre-Islamic Arabian usage.
However, in pre-Islamic Arabia, some communities may have referred to days by their numerical order or by their association with certain events or deities, but these were not standardized or universally recorded. The most consistent and enduring naming system is the one derived from the Arabic language itself.

Summary:There are no well-documented, distinct old names for each day of the week used by Arab communities before Prophet Muhammad that differ from the names known today. The current names are deeply rooted in pre-Islamic tradition and language.

To be continued

Brother Ronin,
Thanks for your kind reply
God bless you.

My last questions ...
If Congregational Salat is still relevant and you observing this salat once a week;

1. How you or your community choose the day, time and venue for the salat!
2. Who is your leader (or imam) in the gathering!
3. How long this gathering normally takes place!

Note:
As we know, to call a salat's gathering without a regular fixed day and time is not an easy task as each mu'min has his own daily commitment. Conversely, if the Congregational salat is done on a standard regular fixed day, time and place, say on Friday's afternoon and at Masjid, everything will go smoothly for every mu'min in all communities.

Salam!

Brother GL,

Yes, you are very right!
Many different interpretations of Quranic verses serve as a test as well as a choice to human beings
In God we surrender ourselves and in Him we hope for guidance and light!

AND as a human being with a different background and intellectual capability
Sometimes we are in a difficult situation to make a decision
So, the best thing we can do is to listen to all the differences and follow the best of it!
May God give me his light on the true practice of salat that pleases Him!

39:18 They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom God has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.

Many thanks for the input.

said in Rethinking Friday Prayer: Salat as Communal Recitation of God's Revelations:

@Ronin To conclude, in the Qur'anic verses which describe Salat as a communal act, it primarily involves the recitation of God's revelations rather than a physical ritual tied to a specific place or day.

Nowadays, the entire Quran can be accessed easily by anybody who wishes to do so compared to the people during Muhammad's time

My questions:

1. Is this commandment of Congregational salat (i.e congregational for recitation of God's revelations) still relevant for our era!

2. If this Congregational salat is still needed, who should be responsible to call/announce the salat!

3. Are we still bound to attend this Congregational salat!

Just for my curiosity!

Thanks.

Admin,
I noticed a lot of thread's categories have disappeared from the Homepage forum!

Such as under "Other Issues":
Sunni/Shia Religion
Hadith Discussions
Submitters/Code 19
Christianity/Judaism/Others

AND a lot more!

Thank you!

@Euphoric

The timings were specifically only for the Muminin
Q4:103 Indeed, al-Salat is on the MUMININ prescribed (at) fixed times.
There are no times prescribed for the Muslims.

What is the difference between "mukmin" and "muslim"?
Why is al-salat at prescribed times mentioned in verse 4:103 only for "mukminin"?
Any user input is welcome!

Thanks.

"Rest in Peace"
I miss you, my beloved one.
Bye!

"Brother, the Qur’an doesn’t say Friday or adhan — that’s later tradition. Let’s read what the Arabic actually says"

Brother, let’s carefully re-examine what the Qur’an actually says — not what later traditions and translations impose on it.

The passage in question is 629–10. Here’s a word-by-word breakdown

629
"O you who have secured, when نُودِي (a call is vocalized / announced) for the صَلَاة\ (convergence, alignment, linkage) from يَوْم ٱلْجُمُعَة (the occasion/time of gathering, convergence) then proceed to the remembrance of Allah and leave aside trade; that is better for you, if you but knew."

Key points
– يَوْم in Qur’anic Arabic means simply "time / occasion," not necessarily a 24-hour weekday.
– ٱلْجُمُعَة means "gathering, convergence," not specifically "Friday."
– صَلَاة means "convergence / connection / alignment," not necessarily the ritual prayer format later formalized.
– نُودِي is just "called / announced," not necessarily "adhan" in the ritualized sense.

So the verse is about a call for convergence on an occasion of gathering — which could be seasonal, annual, or need-based (for trade ethics, balance, reminders, etc.) rather than a fixed Friday ritual.

6210
"And when the convergence is concluded, disperse within the land and seek of Allah’s bounty, but remember Allah often so you may succeed."

This makes the picture complete
– The "call for convergence" is about pausing trade and gathering for remembrance, reflection, and ethical orientation.
– Once it is done, people are told to return to their livelihoods\ — balance between spiritual/ethical reminders and worldly activity.
– It’s a system of ethical training and social recalibration, not the institution of a fixed weekly holiday ritual.

Conclusion
There is no mention of "Friday," no mention of "adhan" as a ritualized call, and no prescription of a weekly congregational prayer. These are later interpretations layered on top of the Qur’anic text. The Qur’an is describing \a call to convergence on occasions of gathering\ where trade pauses temporarily for collective remembrance of Allah, after which normal life resumes.

Yes, I see your points!

Note
I have no more questions
Anyway, it's a pleasure to learn something from you!

So long "Mr. MQD 3.x"!
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TMTT,

If you don't mind
Could you tell us how you observe Congregational salat on Friday
Just for my curiosty!

629 O you who believe, when the Congregational Prayer is announced on Friday, you shall hasten to the commemoration of God, and drop all business. This is better for you, if you only knew.

God bless you!
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Sorry! offtopic

Salam Brother!

I think I might have overlooked the most important point about Salat

5. Flexibility and Ease in Salat

Allah says in 2185
“Allah intends ease for you, not hardship.”

This means that salat is not meant to be a burdensome ritual of rigid postures or clock-bound duties, but a spiritually accessible alignment system grounded in sincerity and reflection.

You said about "Flexibility and Ease in Salat"
That led me to reflect on the very status of the Salat commandment
Whether it is compulsory or optional
Especially when we consider the word "decreed كِتٰبًا" in verse 4103

4103 Once you complete your Salat, you shall remember God while standing, sitting, or lying down.* Once the war is over, you shall observe the Salat; the Salat is decreed for the believers at specific times.

Could my beloved "Mr. MQD 3.x" decode the word "decreed كِتٰبًا" for me!
Thank you!

In addition, if possible could the "Mr. MQD 3.x" decode how Salat can prohibits evil and vice in verse 2945

2945 You shall recite what is revealed to you of the scripture, and observe the Salat, for the Salat prohibits evil and vice. But the remembrance of God (through Salat) is the most important objective. God knows everything you do.

Is this phrase "Salat can prohibits evil and vice" meant for the one who "khusyuk خشوع" in salat!

245 You shall seek help through steadfastness and Salat. This is difficult indeed, but not so for the reverent (الخٰشِعينَ)

Thank you for your kind response!
So long!

Salam,

If we stay strictly MQD, the word ٱلأرْض (ا+ل+ا+ر+ض) is not describing a static geometry (like a perfect ball or a flat plane), but rather

• ا (origination) → a central force / source.
• ل (alignment/direction) → orientation, attachment to an axis.
• ر (cyclic/rotary motion) → rotation, spiraling, rhythmic repetition.
• ض (compression/resistance) → compactness, grounding, resistance to spread.

So what emerges is not just a ball but a rotating, compressed, cyclically aligned body.

Now pair this with دحاها (د+ح+ا+هـ+ا)

• د (spread, surface extension) → outward expansion.
• ح (encirclement, enclosure) → a curved boundary.
• ا (origination) → force of emergence.
• هـ (emission, manifestation) → release, radiation.
• ا (origination again) → rooting in source.

This set is much closer to an egg-like, spinning, dynamic form than a flat plane.

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So in MQD terms

• Not flat (because spread + encirclement + rotation imply 3D).
• Not perfectly spherical (because of compression, rotation, layered unfolding).
• Closer to an “egg-like spinning sphere” or “geoid” (compressed at poles, expanded at equator, dynamic).

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So yes, the interpretation is on point the earth is hinted in MQD as an “egg-shaped rotating domain” — not flat, not a perfect sphere, but a compressed, spinning orb with asymmetry.

Peace!

Yes! sun

Hi Mr. MQD 3.x,
New question for you!

Is the Earth flat or a globe?
Could you please help decode this verse for me!

7930 "He made the earth egg-shaped" (RK translation).

Is this translation by Rashad Khalifa accurate?
Additionally, this translation is supported by islamic scholar Dr. Zakir Naik
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbSUkQYKCUk

Info
Eyewitness testimony from the first Malaysian astronaut, Dr. Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor
He has confirmed that the Earth is a sphere, not flat, based on his experience in space. He has repeatedly stated this and even posted pictures from space to counter claims made by flat-Earth proponents. He clarified that the Earth is more of a geoid, flattened at the poles and bulging at the equator, rather than a perfect ball.

https//www.malaymail.com/news/life/2019/10/14/once-again-angkasawan-dr-sheikh-muszaphar-takes-to-social-media-to-prove-ea/1800128

He even swears in the name of GOD as been asking to do so!

• To all flat Earthers out there -
  I get thousands of DM’s on my Social Media asking me about the shape of the Earth and some even have the guts asking me to swear in the name of Allah.
  I thought I have made it clear on my previous postings showing pics I took from Space and my statements.
  And no matter how much I explain to them , I can never convince them ...
  They are always sticking to their non-factual based evidence which I find appalling.
  On this Barakah Friday I’d like to make a point to these groups as what I have seen and known.
  “Dengan nama Allah saya bersumpah bahawa Bumi berbentuk sfera seperti mana dilihat oleh saya di Angkasa“
  (Translation In the name of God, I swear that the Earth is spherical as seen by me in space)
  I hope that clears the air

Thanks for your time Mr. MQD 3.x,

Salam!

Salam brother shukri

You raised a very good point. Let us briefly reflect on the names Ra’ūf (رؤوف) and Raḥīm (رحيم) with a Minimal Qur’anic Decoding (MQD) lens.

In the Qur’an, these names are used not only for Allah but also extended to the Prophet (see 9128 بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ رَؤُوفٌ رَحِيمٌ).
This shows that such qualities are not exclusive labels but divine attributes that can be reflected in creation.

Structurally

• ر و ف (Ra-Wa-F) root carries the sense of deeply felt gentleness, protective care.
• ر ح م (Ra-Ḥa-M) root denotes nurturing mercy, womb-like care, binding compassion.

These attributes are part of the core table (15–16 May 2025) where ر = flow/spread, و = link/extension, ف = manifest/express, and ح–م = enclosure/protection.

Note also the Qur’an does not always prefix these names with al-.
This indicates a fluid quality — they are attributes in action, not just frozen titles.

Qur’an itself points out degrees of sharing these divine qualities

• أرحم الراحمين (Most Merciful of the merciful)
• أحسن الخالقين (Best of creators)
• خير الرازقين (Best of providers)

Meaning Allah is the ultimate source of these qualities, but others may reflect them partially.

Thus, when Qur’an ascribes Ra’ūf and Raḥīm to the Prophet, it does not mean divinity is shared — rather, the Prophet’s character embodies these divine attributes in the human domain, while Allah remains the supreme possessor of them.

Peace!

I have no more questions on this topic
Thanks a lot for the response!

Additional Question on Prophet/Messenger

381 God took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."

Who is this special messenger?
Angelic messenger or human messenger!

If the answer is a human messenger,
a. Why this messenger is so important, which needs all the prophet to make a covenant before God agrees to believe and support him!
b. Is this Messenger will come to each prophet when they are still alive OR after they all have left their worldly life!

Note
The covenant is taking place in the heaven after all prophet have dead is not impossible
As the righteous do not really die as they go straight to heaven after death

3169 Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of God are dead; they are alive at their Lord, enjoying His provisions.
2154 Do not say of those who are killed in the cause of God, "They are dead." They are alive at their Lord, but you do not perceive.

3626 (At the time of his death) he was told, "Enter Paradise." He said, "Oh, I wish my people knew.
3627 "That my Lord has forgiven me, and made me honorable."

Sorry, too many questions for you!
Just to know "The MQD 3.x " perspective in interpreting this very "controversial" verse (381)!

Thank you very much.

"Correction"
About verse 381

I checked the word "ātaytukum ءاتَيتُكُم" with Quran Corpus
And it translated as "I (have) given you" NOT "I will give you"

So, I think the correct translation for verse 381 should be

381 God took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I have given you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."

Thank you.

Additional Question on Prophet/Messenger

381 God took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."

Who is this special messenger?
Angelic messenger or human messenger!

If the answer is a human messenger,
a. Why this messenger is so important, which needs all the prophet to make a covenant before God agrees to believe and support him!
b. Is this Messenger will come to each prophet when they are still alive OR after they all have left their worldly life!

Note
The covenant is taking place in the heaven after all prophet have dead is not impossible
As the righteous do not really die as they go straight to heaven after death

3169 Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of God are dead; they are alive at their Lord, enjoying His provisions.
2154 Do not say of those who are killed in the cause of God, "They are dead." They are alive at their Lord, but you do not perceive.

3626 (At the time of his death) he was told, "Enter Paradise." He said, "Oh, I wish my people knew.
3627 "That my Lord has forgiven me, and made me honorable."

Sorry, too many questions for you!
Just to know "The MQD 3.x " perspective in interpreting this very "controversial" verse (381)!

Thank you very much.