I thought they were, on the whole pretty respectful of one another though quick to take personal offense. I didn't like that Sonia's defense is basically that the Muslim world need to look more friendly, appearance-wise, to the Western world.

The woman wearing the hijab says that men too have their own compulsory dresscode and can't wear whatever they want but technically this is untrue because the way the Sunni ruling is, men CAN practically wear whatever they want unless they have an all-consuming urge to constantly walk around in Speedos. How can one compare head-to-toe covering with covering just from the navel to the knees?

Also, did anyone catch the bit where the reporter says "I'm sure you're anxious about breaking your fast" and connected that to a bit in the clip where Sonia drinks from a cup? That made me LOL.

I asked some dude to tell us more about his experiences with jinns, the thread just went off-topic from there.

Um, then you haven't heard much about US gangs.

What have you been smoking? You say US gangs like they are one big homogeneous Mary-lovin' bunch. Or have you been watching too much mafia movies? And those aren't doing it in the name of religious war, they do it for money. So cough up your evidence instead of just saying something vague.

Okay I'm not up to date on Catholics dirty business but I thought the only place where they'd be doing the violence thing is in Northern Ireland? I mean in this day and age of course, not talking about the Inquisition and all.

There's the dirty sexual business but I haven't heard of killing people outright for saying something different.

she is a queen

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Hey where'd you get that picture from?

People paint white Muhammads? If a black slave called Bilal was mentioned, why was such a distinction made if Muhammad's people were black? Why would God be a specific colour?

Not disputing the rest however and I think the only way that they can be proven once and for all to everybody would be to take a time machine and get pictures. Because each camp brings up their sources, their proofs and one can believe in either side unless something undeniable comes up.

JFC. This reminds me of the people who believe that if you take the last a from "Brahma" and put it in the front it becomes "Abraham" OMGWTFBBQ!! CONSPIRACY!!

ahem http//www.bad-language.com/sanskrit

Eh --

there's no point. You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

Well hey, since you say that every conjecture or conclusion amounts to nothing and since the conjecture is based on the Qur'an and the stories...pray tell what makes your experience any different?

Doesn't matter if anybody believes in you, just add another anecdote into the mix and it could be enlightening or fodder for future horror stories.

Sheesh, as if marriages are all that secure.

I just had my first meal; it's about 5am now. I had Indian food eat

...if you ever bump into a real jinn out in the desert
or elsewhere, i assure you
that every previous conclusion or conjecture you have drawn about them
will no longer stand to reason.
hmm

And is that a statement from experience or plain conjecture?

http//neurobiotaxis.livejournal.com/757.html

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Well now they are saying the first humans were Asian. One day they will make up their minds

It's not about 'them' making up 'their' minds...new discoveries are made time and time again. I think it's fascinating.

For the moment, the majority of anatomical, archaeological and genetic evidence gives credence to the view that fully modern humans are a relatively recent evolutionary phenomenon. The current best explanation for the beginning of modern humans is the Out of Africa Model that postulates a single, African origin for Homo sapiens.

From http//www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html

Scientists have also discovered an older fossil in Europe. Note though that this is a hominid ancestor

This "into Africa" scenario is likely to be controversial. Critics argue that discoveries like Moy?-Sol?'s are more likely to reflect the quality of the fossil records in Africa and Europe than offer clues to the actual origins of hominids.

Jay Kelley, a palaeobiologist at the University of Illinois at Chicago, points out that the fossil record from the time in question is much better in Europe than in Africa. "If you've got a record on one continent but not the other, naturally you're going to see origins of the group from the continent where you've got the record," he says.

http//www.newscientist.com/article/dn17225-were-our-earliest-hominid-ancestors-european.html

Some of the comments on the article are also helpful. Like this one

Africa is the most likely location of the common ancestor. The 500,000 year estimate is based on mitochondrial DNA differences between homo sapiens and homo sapiens neandethalensis. The two species share 99.5% of their respective DNA. The amount of mutational difference between the two enables an estimate of about 500,000 years ago for the common ancestor.

Wow..you made it without having to drink water?! If I play this season my training would be like from 330 pm until 5 pm...sucks. If I play I'll probably not fast/water fast.

I keep well-hydrated before the fast begins, chug down a lot of water from the point of iftar. I don't know what it is exactly but I don't get thirsty often. But I wouldn't do something foolish like not drink at all before the fast starts of course.

Then again...maybe I'm just a camel!

I'm a defender! Btw you don't need to be so tall to be a golie, all you have to do is jump! yay

Duh, that's how I used to work it. But when you've got another player who's like way taller than you and who's just as good if not better, it's time to say bye bye to that position. These days, I just do parkour. It's got me the all the jumping I love!

yay whats your position?

Goalie heh. This was years ago, I'm really way too short to play that position.

I wish you the best of luck and a successful Ramadan.
My first one was 2 years ago when I was 14 - nearly fasted the whole time - had soccer 4 days or so in Ramadan so I did water-fasting for those days. Last year I has soccer training so I couldnt fast all the time. It's kind of surprising to me that your sunrise is at 6 pm - that can't be true. Mine starts at around 439 am.

Hey, you know when I used to play soccer, I'd fast and still train no problem. Of course, at that time, the trainings were from 3-6pm so it's pretty good. But it sucks when there are water breaks and I just go off a corner somewhere to chill for a bit. After 6pm, I'd walk slowly to a restaurant so that by the time I get there, I can already eat.

Of course, it'll really suck if you had to train from say 11- 3pm.

I think everyone's normal, but for a relationship to be successful, both partners need to make sure they're not annoying. Insanely religious people can be really annoying because they're so unapproachable. You can never have a conversation with them on anything except religion and they're very patronizing sometimes.

I guess you could substitute "insanely religious people" with "bigots". I once dated a militant vegan, he was pretty insane.

Why do you feel strongest then? Do you mean spiritually or physically?

Physically, I'm like a hyperactive jock. Very alert also. You'd think an empty stomach = weak but naw, doesn't happen to me. I used to feel weak though until I realised it's just conditioning. One day, I read about soldiers doing PT while fasting, construction workers working while fasting and I thought "Well if they can do it, so can I". Dehydration is a big problem however, so I won't force it if I can't.

Does nuts for me spiritually.