Is marrying a six year old girl an excellent example?

Shocking part is how many pro-hadith group jus gloss over this. It is also one of the major facts used by anti muslim groups to attack islam.

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Lets try again

1. Was everything the prophet received from Jabreel documented in the Quran?

2. Allah knows the best.
   I am a believer of Allah and Allah orders me to follow the Prophet (S.A.W), the sayings and deeds of the Prophet are a part of my faith.

Interesting I think you are deliberately avoiding answering the question, because you know that it wont fit with your narrative

2. You said the method of prayer was revealed to the prophet during Isra. So how did the prophet/muslims pray before Isra?

3. The correct word is Salah, The Gift of Salah came to us through the Messenger (S.A.W) after Isra.
   Deen did not complete in 1 day, it took years, 23 years.

Again completely avoided the the question. Deen took 23 yrs but did the muslims/prophet perform Salah before Isra or not? or did it take 23 years to complete Salah

3. I asked you where the method of prayer as revealed during the journey of Isra documented & your response;

4. Is Rasul-Allah (S.A.W) Not Enough for me? IRasul-Allah showed us how to pray and all of us Muslims Sunni or Shia whoever they maybe, we have the
   same method.

Again not even a vague attempt to answer my question.

Unless you were born with innate knowledge, where is your evidence for the method of Salah you have been tryong to explain

We Establish the prayer, we don't lie on the bed and then establish our prayer.

Salaam athar 2022

You have not answered any of my questions, even though they were short and required simple answers.

Lets try again

1. Was everything the prophet received from Jabreel documented in the Quran?

2. You said the method of prayer was revealed to the prophet during Isra. So how did the prophet/muslims pray before Isra?

3. I asked you where the method of prayer as revealed during the journey of Isra documented & your response;

The Life of the Prophet (S.A.W.W) is very well documented, in very detail, the command on following the example of the Prophet(S.A.W.W) is from Allah Himself.

You obviously consider yourself to be a very knowledgeable person, so can you please be more specific and post the documented source.

And what is the other side?

Sorry you did not grasp my point, it was response to where i pray. At sporting events usually 2 sides and often I pray for the success of my side(s) but more often than not my prayers are not answered. Hope that makes sense. If not I will simplify it further for you

And it is lovely to know that you go to the Masjid, Masha-Allah.

Thank you for that, however I don't think Allah is based just in any specific place. Perhaps, guessing from your name, Bullay Shah's poetry about Masjids, temples etc is not a bad read/listen

Rather than lengthy discussion lets keep things brief & simple so the wood does not get mixed with the trees. Then hopefully we can learn from each other

At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night.

Apologies I wanted also to ask, so before then muslims had no method of prayer?

Salaam

At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night.

& its documented where

Now my counter question is, Allah has ordered "Aqeem-us-Salat" at various places in the Quran, how do you establish your prayer?
The answer is

I pray every where, including a masjid like probably like you, when driving, watching sport (especially so) but seems more often than not the other side are much better with their prayers (

Salaam Athar 2022

Walikum Salam Still Learning,

1. Quran was deliveres by Jibreel (A.S) to Rasul-Allah (S.A.W.W)
2. It is Allah who has given us the Quran, I or you cannot be the Judge.

You did not answer my point 2. I assume everything Jibreel delivered was documented as the Quran. Therefore as the prayer is not documented in the Quran. Where do you think the Prophet learned the alleged method of prayer.

Salaam Athar2022

Just to take up the theme of jkhan

1. How did Allah communicate with prophet Mohd

2. Were all these communications documented in the Quran

Once you have answered these 2 points, then we can move further with this discussion

Kind regards

Salaam

Anything else to add with your knowledge on this caption o dear brothers and sisters

Fascinating topic which, if i was to hazard a guess, the most debated singe topic in human history. Not sure anyone, I certainly cannot, would be able to add anything which would make even the slightest difference to scales of this debate.

However here is my one penny/cent/rupee etc worth

If one accepts that creation had a creator. The creator must have had purpose in creation. If the creator was to be infinite then creation was one of the routes of this infinity.

As 99.9% of human DNA is identical. Then (bit of faith required) if creator exists within creation (as claimed by many faiths). Then maybe the 99.9% or part of is the creator. If creation continues to exist then creator continues. Hence the infinity of the creator.

Can see the flaws ie did creation always exist? who created the creator etc.However these are probably beyond the evolutionary stage of the 0.1% DNA to comprehend.

Aoa

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But there are a few who understand that verse 43 is not about to marry multiple women, instead to marry OFF.

What can you say about that?

If the verse meant to marry OFF, from which I assume you mean to marry them off to someone. How does the rest of the verse fit in with this.

Regards

Aoa

! Look around you and see what are these substances that do more harm than good alcohol nicotine, cocaine, heroin, cannabis (

Waiting for the 'non are specifically named in the Quran & I only take in non excessive amounts'. This seems to be the gist of the pro alcohol lobby.
Regards

Aoa

your gut is full of alcohol, it is a by-product of the excretions of the yeast candida albicans
...

Amazing! & the source of your information is?

and I for one used not to drink alcohol, but have been drinking occasionally for pleasure for quite some time now, red wine, and mead (wine made from pure honey) for the good that is in them, and avoiding excess, i.e. not getting drunk...

What kind of pleasure?. At what precise point do you consider excess i.e. Do you monitor your blood levels or do you have cerebral check list.

and have a very clear conscience about it...

Interesting quote.

Aoa

I don't want to turn this into a pork thread, but it is likely that there aren't compelling scientific reasons why we are to abstain from pork meat--and yes, I am well aware of the biology and science related to swine. If there is such a reason, it is probably more related to the production of swine. Producing swine in quantity facilitates disease (rodents with associated diseases, fly borne diseases from raw sewage, swine flu, swine brucellosis, etc.)

Interesting! So we have reached pinnacle of scientific knowledge? How do we know in10, 20 or even hundreds of yrs from now we won't discover solid scientific reason. Whether it emerges or not does not alter the fact that consumption of pork, Koranically, is not allowed. If you do not believe then it is a pointless discussion to argue scientifically on this thread.
Regards

Aoa

Ooh a direct response! Should I feel honoured your high buddhaness?

You should not be the only one. Page after page of asking for simple evidence including.

Smallpox
Evidence that societies without access to MM have better maternal/child mortality
How ovary is an empty sac
How charging used 2000 is not the same as the dirty notes..... The list of non response to factual questions is endless.

& then lo & behold. Response to such a challenging quote

What relevance has chartered accountant with healing? Or are you trying to impress by your professional qualifications.

That was a quotable quote a chartered accountant has no relevance with healing for he cannot suffer from diseases.

Since you have responded. Can you then explain why the above profession is more relevant than say if he had been a road cleaner.

What a sad Situation, people are so much stuck with their own perception, and knowledge,(borrowed), they are not willing to at least see if there is something different in what Dr. Fazlur Rahaman Writes
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What makes you think that some of us have not seen what this character writes. The results are very nasty and unpleasant. There is nothing new in his writing. It is also amazing that so many on this thread Appear to have personally experienced his awesome power. Now isn't that a strange coin incidence that all you guys just happen to be also visiting this website.

People writing here are like, a blind man describing a elephant, who has never seen one.
I am one among the gifted person, to have experienced him, and have personally benefited by this wisdom. I am a Hindu by religion.

Strange really a Hindu who happens to be visiting a Quran only website and even bigger coincidence has benefited from the character central to this thread.
Also surprised that you are still a Hindu considering that you have witnessed the miracle of a Muslim faith healer.

I am a Qualified Chartered Accountant (CPA) by profession. My knowledge is a miniscule before his wisdom.

What relevance has chartered accountant with healing? Or are you trying to impress by your professional qualifications.

The only system to be shunned and thrown to dustbin is MM. From pregnancy to delivery, the highest mortality rate is only with MM. I have given so many links to support this truth in this thread, just two pages before. Please go through such links and you would know

Another blatant lie. There is not single place on this God's earth, where the perinatal or maternal mortality is higher when modern obstetric facilities are available compared to the poor areas where the facilities are either limited or non existent.
Medical world has data both good and bad. You have been practicing for decades where is your data. For as God states if you are truthful then bring your proof. You have brought nothing but false hood.

.The Myth what we believe is benefit through knowledge with little difficulty, rather the Truth is we benefit little, that too temperorarily, with a greater difficulty.

Presumably you believe that it is a myth because you have knowledge of these things. How do you then then know that your knowledge only gives you little understanding, contrary to what you believe you understand, and what you understand is a myth is only mythical understanding of your understanding.

A typical example could be the present Modern Medicine for our health care. Initially for a child it starts with a single dose of medicine to cure a single disease, or a vaccine for prevention.

For example!

In the beginning, we get a relief, but sooner or later the side effects crops up into multivarious diseases.

More cliche nonsense. Do you want to provide few, or even one, example.

When the human shaitans impiously allow their wombs to be invaded and meddled with by the specialist shaitans, the wombs begin to shrink and harden from which shaitans are alone delivered in human clothing as clones and clowns. Mostly the human clothed beings are created for hell

Either you are taking the p out of every one or you are in a serious need of psychiatric assistance. Either way you need urgent help

Dear Moderators

Is this forum now exhibitionist platform for the psychologically disturbed.

Regards

Believe in that God will give you more than the dirty notes given by the governments

I suppose you take your payment in credit cards so dirty notes don't apply to you. Again obviously no hypocricy here.

Death to truth, decency, godliness, fairness and justice etc
Long live www.liesfraudecheatingthepoorhipocrcyusesGodsayascompletelyoutofcontextetc@faithhealers.com

Aoa

As usual long list of generalised nonsense very little to do with balanced facts. MM (as you call it)!has balances and checks & yes treatments don't always work. In case you may not have noticed there are thousands of journals evaluating all forms of treatments. You r quick with sound bites & that is very much like another group of well known crooks, who claim to be representing the public as well. I will let you guess the profession.

All the above highlighted words and parts are the rhetorical words used by MM followers to kill the public at any cost for bucks.

The above is an absolute gem. As obviously you do it for free. Hypocrisy no knows bounds.

Over a century ago, in UK, at a dinner of some extremely rich individuals. Very rich individual to an extremely attractive lady " will you sleep with me for ?million".
She "yes".
He " will you do it for a penny".
She " what do you take me for"
He "I have already established that. I am just trying to establish the price".

You by your own posts have already established your own character

Aoa

Here's an article. http//news.yahoo.com/court-upholds-parents-convictions-prayer-death-123307685.html

Thankfully at least some sense is prevailing. Lets hope that other countries follow suit and these fraudsters get their just dessert.

Regards