Salaam, AOA all Apologies if this topic has been covered before. search function has not provided any answers. I would be grateful for any explanations regarding Where (the actual site(s)) and How the Quranic verses were revealed to Mohd. Regards As per my understanding aayaats are still in the process of revelation as follows 637 637 And they said If only a sign was sent to him from his Lord! Say Allah is able to send a sign, but most of them would not know. 16101 16101 And if We exchange a revelation in place of another revelation; and Allah is more aware of what He is revealing; they say You are making this up! Alas, most of them do not know. The word used in 16101 is 'Yunazzilu' same as in 162 The green highlighted part in 16101 above is used similar to 420 420 420 And if you wish to replace one wife with another, and you have given one of them a large amount, then do not take anything from it. Will you take it by falsehood while it is clearly a sin? 579 579 He is the One who sends down to His servant clear revelations, to bring you out of the darkness and into the light. Allah is Compassionate towards you, Merciful. Same word used as in 162 and 16101 More clear? Exactly same word 'Yunazzilu' is used in 3024 3024 3024 And from His signs is that He shows you the lightning, giving you fear and hope, and He sends down water from the sky, and He revives the land with it after its death. In that are signs for a people who comprehend. So, 5101 5101 O you who believe, do not ask about things which, if revealed to you, would harm you; and if you ask when the Quraan is being sent down, then they will become clear to you. Allah pardons for them, and Allah is Forgiving, Compassionate. Hope this help, inshaAllah. May Allah guide us all towards the Truth. pr Mohammed M. Khan

Thank you MQuran and peace.

Group gatherings have already taken place in the UK. I wasn't there, but I know some who were. The outcome was mixed. To me, the key to move forward is very simple, but its important to come to this realisation for oneself. I agree. At the moment the realisation of oneself is very important. Hope the way gets more clear. Peace

Peace be upon you M Mehdi, PLEASE LISTEN TO THE MESSAGE BY THIS SISTER WHILE YOU READ THIS POST - note this is an excellent voice only spoken word piece! http//www.outrecords.com/why_you_talk_like_that.mp3 My computer did not have the proper equipmen to play this. salam brother Kyle.. since you cannot do what you say you're going to do.. insha-Allah I will help you out... by doing it for you... myself. idolfree1 wrote BUT I was never part of this discussion. idolfree1 wrote I will conclude my reminder here. idolfree1 wrote A few statements before I leave you in peace. . idolfree1 wrote I dont have any interest in contiuning this line of discussion. Peace idolfree1 wrote Peace yet you still keep posting... but alas, this is good.. Yes, dont equate speaking truth with perfect human, thats the error so many before us have made so they cant realize the Divinity within thier very persons or those who have been sent to them with wise words, but they reject because the messenger does not fit thier own criteria. But I will work on this, thanks for the resistance, hopefully I'll be able to lift you over my head soon and move on to the next exercise wink please let me illustrate this for you.. and then "I" will leave you peace on this thread... to ponder... meditate ... or continue as you wish or simply sit on your butt and do nothing ---> .... You have confused the state of peace/stillness of MIND so that we can see the God's plan, somehow with doing nothing. And on top of that providing comic relief in an attempt to ridicule me, which has nothing to do with wise debate. So I can offer you this reminder- (956) And if you asked/questioned them, they will say "But we were plunging into/engaging in conversation and we were playing/amusing ." Say "Is with/by The God and His signs, and His messenger you were mocking ?" Lets stick to the debate. You, and me are standing on a street corner at that any place ville USA, hood or whatever that you so weakly called "certian neighborhood" What is weak about saying "certain neighborhood"? D and "(pow pow pow....sirens)" place.. and you start your self-rightous speech about idolfree1 wrote Many of us(african americans) are lost and just follow any trend, even degrading ourselves with slavemaster names, calling each other the n word and the women B!+ches, etc. . and then.. i'll just take a good look at you up and down.. and say "nigga Paleeez!" .. and leave the rest (rest being your 'fear' of pow pow sirens) to Allah.. Thanks, I'm sure you looking me up and down will be effective in helping mankind. I'll stick to the cultivation of the NAFS. i live right next door to a so called 'crack hotel' and down the street from a hospital.. pow, pow and sirens don't scare me.. i have no fear of the good folks which you and the mob aka society calls lost and ignorant.. You make unlawul connections brother, I never told you to be scared of anything, but this is the only way you can continue this fruitless argument, by associating me saying it wouldnt be wise for you to talk that way around people who will hurt you for it, with fear. Same way as me saying it would be foolish to walk in front of traffic, not that you should take on the emotion FEAR, but that the car will crush your bones and flaten your head, its simple logic, nothing to do about me trying to instill "fear" in you. in short Kyle... languge and dialect is important .. we cannot burry this 'nigga' history under the earth and act as if it never happened... You are confused. Choosing to speak wisely is what I am promoting, if burying that N word/concept is a result of a society that continues to purify the Nafs and speak wisely , then so be it. I dont need that history to succeed in life, that is a crutch, an idol, and I smash all of them D black hasn't become beutiful.. it has always been beutiful.... I agree, not sure why you mentioned that though. Kyle, although i do understand your 'worries' Akuna Matata! D No worries. Just correct and wise counsel. and want to censor words and other restrictions which you and mquran want to impose Restrictions are imposed by witnessing the Divine Law, is the good response equal to the bad? Have you seen the one whose ego is his god? Universal Law makes truth evident from flsehood, but you have to wake up and SEE. .. being on one side and the other being just as i understand the taliban and the christian right in the US.. My location is the nuetral/balanced location, please do not limit me to one side or the other, I remain at peace so that I can make the right choice in each decision, not whatever apeals to a certain side. i understand more that there is no compulsion in the Religion of Allah... and how these worries create a compulsion to force or censor the population from God given freedoms such as the freedom of utterances... Giving wise counsel is not compulsion D If I was to use force I would just have erased your posts, instead I just try to point you back in the right direction. Inviting to the God is invitin to Unity, Oneness. How does "n!$$a pleez" invite to oneness? D (4133) And who (is) better (in) a word/opinion and belief than who called to The God and made/did correct/righteous deeds, and he said "That I am (E) from the peaceful (submitters to LAW)." Kyle, so much from this beutiful culture has added to the experiment which we call the USA... literture, music, thinkers, peacemakers, and most a beutifully colorful langague and dialect of mixtures... there is no need to seperate ourselves from it.. Agreed, who is saying we should? I was only pointing out some facts which related to the discussion, I can point out facts about any "group". I am not seperating myself from anyone. As you made a point to state, I referred to "US" when speaking about African Americans, so there is no seperation. I also said I am still stuck in using the word when my emotions get the best of me, so I have not given you any indication that I have seperated myself from anyone else, so where does that come from? D we don't need to run away from it... instead we can learn to embrace it and share it amongst all peoples and all colors... in hopes to Remember That histroy and definition yet difuse and release the 'shackles' which it still has on the folks who cannot even utter it.. as if it is blaspheme... because it simply isn't.. Embracing ignorance gives it life, I rather embrace Peace and wise speech which will do away with such usless words as the "N" word. So I guess we just sit and wait and see which way is successful. (assuming we are both trying to obtain the garden) i recognize, appreciate and honor the black culture within the US.. and those who are not fearful to let me share in the beuty of it all... Good, and we should share in all life. I have not said otherwise. However, do you associate calling someone the "N" word with sharing in the beauty of that culture? That is the ugly of the culture, not beauty. censorship does not.. work.. No, but wise and gentle speech does work. you can't handle blackness on any level! - why you talk like that? http//www.outrecords.com/why_you_talk_like_that.mp3 Sorry, I am not getting that, could not exectute that link. Thanks again for the workout, I will however make this the last one to you on this subject for sure. D