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Peace All,

I wonder if anybody here has any motivation tips to get the lazy moving!

Taj

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Salaamunn 3alaykumm,

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Salaamunn He-Ya
Peace It Is

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Salaamunn 3alaykumm,
Peace Be Upon You

Brother Layth,
Will you please stop Dhulqarnain from harassing me? Every time I post anything, he aggressively comes running after me. He has been repeatedly posting to me the same attacking posts over and over again with his characteristic offensive language and attitude, and I have been continuously ignoring him, following the advice of some members here. But that didn't seem to help. He insists on following me like a professional terrorist, trying to provoke me into endless, meaningless and rude arguments. Is this the Allah only and Quran only attitude? He acts so repulsively and exceptionally so with me as well as with my Christian Brother Rob. He has been so relentless in his endeavor to drag us into his horrendous mess, but we have refused time and again to answer back and lower ourselves to his level. Should we exchange attacks with him, we would certainly be ruining our faith and manners. Please check his posts and threads. Do you find what he is doing acceptable? Or fit for this forum? Can you do something about it? Or do you find his attitude appropriate? No other member here has treated me like him, and some have even showed their annoyance over his behavior, but simply put, they are not the moderators here and cannot force him to change his attitude. Do you wish me to leave this forum, Layth? Or do you think that if I wish to stay, then that is the kind of treatment I should expect to face here and be prepared to put up with!? Do you see me deserving of such behavior? You know that Dhulqarnain is always rejected from many forums because of his attitude. What he is doing is totally intolerable as it goes way beyond decent discussions. Do you wish that you, yourself, be treated the same way he is treating me and making you the subject of harassment and insults in his posts? Do you think that our time and posts should be wasted in exchanging insults or do you think that it should be spent in learning and seeking the Truth?
Please, allow me to know what you think, Layth. Thank you

Salaamunn He-Ya
Peace It Is

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Salaamunn 3alaykumm,

Peace Be Upon You

In Al Arabiyyatea Al Foss-ha (the Arabic of the Quran) the word MUBAARAK is an adjective that means Blessed.
The correct pronunciation would be MUBAARAK/MUBAARAKK

ONE
MUBAARAKKANN
Qf (THE LETTER QAF)

Wa Nazzaln Mina As-Sam'i M'an Mubrakan Fa'anbatn Bihi Janntin Wa abba Al-adi

YUSUFALI And We send down from the sky rain charted with blessing, and We produce therewith gardens and Grain for harvests;
PICKTHAL And We send down from the sky blessed water whereby We give growth unto gardens and the grain of crops,
SHAKIR And We send down from the cloud water abounding in good, then We cause to grow thereby gardens and the grain that is reaped,

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TWO
MUBAARAKKONN/UNN
Al-'An`m (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK)

Wa Hadh Kitbun 'Anzalnhu Mubrakun Muaddiqu Al-Ladh Bayna Yadayhi Wa Litundhira 'Umma Al-Qur? Wa Man awlah Wa Al-Ladhna Yu'uminna Bil-'khirati Yu'uminna Bihi Wa Hum `Al? altihim Yufi?na

YUSUFALI And this is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it that thou mayest warn the mother of cities and all around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers.
PICKTHAL And this is a blessed Scripture which We have revealed, confirming that which (was revealed) before it, that thou mayst warn the Mother of Villages and those around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe herein, and they are careful of their worship.
SHAKIR And this is a Book We have revealed, blessed, verifying that which is before it, and that you may warn the metropolis and those around her; and those who believe in the hereafter believe in it, and they attend to their prayers constantly.

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THREE
MUBAARAKKINN
I couldn't find in the Quran any Ayah that has the word MUBAARAKKINN

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The colored endings are the ending sounds. The ending sounds are changeable according to the place of the word in a sentence, but the form of the word remains the same in two cases case TWO and case THREE, while in case ONE we attach/join the letter = ANN to the letter KA , so it will look like this and will give the sound KAN
However, in certain letters, we just write the letter = ANN after the word without joining it with it.
When writing in Arabic we use tiny signs above or under the last letter of the word to determine the correct ending sound which will change for grammatical reasons.
Notice the tiny sign above the letter , and the tiny sign above the letter which will give the sound KONN and the tiny sign under the letter which will give the sound KINN

The a in the ending sound an/ann is the same as the sound an in the word Vatican.

The o , u in the ending sound onn/unn is the same as the sound o in the preposition on, or u in the word citrus.

The i in the ending sound in/inn is the same sound as i in the preposition in.

In the word the letter KA is the one that would be marked to determine the ending sound. Those 'tiny' signs are also used above or under the rest of the letters (not the last letter) in any given word. Changing their places will change the meaning of the word. The word will look the same but with different order of the 'tiny' signs.

The letter KA is formally (in the Alphabet) called KAF
The 'tiny' signs are much more than the ones I mentioned above.

Translations from http//www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
Transliterations from http//4bm.com/quraanLanguages/English/B&WPrintT_T/QuraanIndexTT.htm

Wa Al Hamdu Le Ellahe Rabbe Al Alameen
And Al Praise Be To Allah, The Cherisher and Sustainer Of The Worlds

Salaamunn He-Ya
Peace It Is

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Salaamunn 3alaykumm,

Peace Be Upon You

Blessed Eed Al Fitdr to all the brothers and sisters and many happy returns.

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A brief fractional study on the word MUBAARAK

In Al Arabiyyatea Al Foss-ha (the Arabic of the Quran) the word MUBAARAK is an adjective that means Blessed.
The correct pronunciation would be MUBAARAK/MUBAARAKK

ONE
MUBAARAKKANN
Qf (THE LETTER QAF)

Wa Nazzaln Mina As-Sam'i M'an Mubrakan Fa'anbatn Bihi Janntin Wa abba Al-adi

YUSUFALI And We send down from the sky rain charted with blessing, and We produce therewith gardens and Grain for harvests;
PICKTHAL And We send down from the sky blessed water whereby We give growth unto gardens and the grain of crops,
SHAKIR And We send down from the cloud water abounding in good, then We cause to grow thereby gardens and the grain that is reaped,

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TWO
MUBAARAKKONN/UNN
Al-'An`m (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK)

Wa Hadh Kitbun 'Anzalnhu Mubrakun Muaddiqu Al-Ladh Bayna Yadayhi Wa Litundhira 'Umma Al-Qur? Wa Man awlah Wa Al-Ladhna Yu'uminna Bil-'khirati Yu'uminna Bihi Wa Hum `Al? altihim Yufi?na

YUSUFALI And this is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it that thou mayest warn the mother of cities and all around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers.
PICKTHAL And this is a blessed Scripture which We have revealed, confirming that which (was revealed) before it, that thou mayst warn the Mother of Villages and those around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe herein, and they are careful of their worship.
SHAKIR And this is a Book We have revealed, blessed, verifying that which is before it, and that you may warn the metropolis and those around her; and those who believe in the hereafter believe in it, and they attend to their prayers constantly.

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THREE
MUBAARAKKINN
I couldn't find in the Quran any Ayah that has the word MUBAARAKKINN

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The colored endings are the ending sounds. The ending sounds are changeable according to the place of the word in a sentence, but the form of the word remains the same in two cases case TWO and case THREE, while in case ONE we attach/join the letter = ANN to the letter KA , so it will look like this and will give the sound KAN
However, in certain letters, we just write the letter = ANN after the word without joining it with it.
When writing in Arabic we use tiny signs above or under the last letter of the word to determine the correct ending sound which will change for grammatical reasons.
Notice the tiny sign above the letter , and the tiny sign above the letter which will give the sound KONN and the tiny sign under the letter which will give the sound KINN

The a in the ending sound an/ann is the same as the sound an in the word Vatican.

The o , u in the ending sound onn/unn is the same as the sound o in the preposition on, or u in the word citrus.

The i in the ending sound in/inn is the same sound as i in the preposition in.

In the word the letter KA is the one that would be marked to determine the ending sound. Those 'tiny' signs are also used above or under the rest of the letters (not the last letter) in any given word. Changing their places will change the meaning of the word. The word will look the same but with different order of the 'tiny' signs.

The letter KA is formally (in the Alphabet) called KAF
The 'tiny' signs are much more than the ones I mentioned above.

Translations from http//www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
Transliterations from http//4bm.com/quraanLanguages/English/B&WPrintT_T/QuraanIndexTT.htm

Wa Al Hamdu Le Ellahe Rabbe Al Alameen
And Al Praise Be To Allah, The Cherisher and Sustainer Of The Worlds

Salaamunn He-Ya
Peace It Is

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Salaamunn 3alaykumm, All

Peace DoctorNo,

I thought that what you asked me about does not go with the subject on the thread The Problem with this Movement. So I brought your query here! I hope you won't mind!

PART ONE

DoctorNo wrote Could you please tell us which of these 3 translations is the most correct regarding the emboldened 3rd diciplinary action for disloyal wives
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VERSION 1 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance) For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
VERSION 2 The men are to support the women by what God Has endowed them over one another and for what they spend of their money. The upright women who are attentive, and keep private the personal matters for what God keeps watch over. As for those women from whom you fear a disloyalty, then you shall advise them, then abandon them in the bedchamber, then separate from them; if they obey you, then do not seek a way over them; God is High, Great.
VERSION 3 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

Ar-Rijlu Qawwmna Al? An-Nis' Bim Faala Allhu Baahum Al? Bain Wa Bim 'Anfaq Min 'Amwlihim Fllitu Qnittun fi?tun Lilghaybi Bim afi?a Allhu Wa Al-Lt Takhfna Nushzahunna Fai?hunna Wa Ahjurhunna F Al-Majii Wa Aribhunna Fa'in 'Aanakum Fal Tabgh Alayhinna Sablan 'Inna Allha Kna `Alyan Kabran (34).

From http//4bm.com/quraanLanguages/English/B&WPrintT_T/4TT.htm

YUSUFALI Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance) For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

From http//www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html

Regarding the whole Ayah verse, I would say, YUSUFALI has the best translation so far yet it is not close enough to the Arabic. There are some words that YUSUFALI had failed to provide the exact or even the close meaning for. It could have been much better.
For example
Nooshoozahunna, it is their disobedience rather than disloyalty and ill-conduct.

Ohjoroohonnan Fee Al Madhaje'e , it is desert them IN the beds , and not refuse to share their beds

Fal Tabgh `Alayhinna Sablan , it is don't transgress them., and not seek not against them Means (of annoyance)

Now regarding the word beat, it cannot possibly be right, however, I cannot fully blame YUSUFALI. It is primarily the mistake of those who had interpreted the Quran and decided to choose Beat, which is the common meaning for the word DHARABA, but definitely not the only one. There are many other meanings and possibilities! Beat cannot possibly fit in this situation. Why? Many reasons, one is that it had never been heard of that a Messenger or a Prophet or a Waaley or a Sahabey had ever used violence to discipline his wife, no matter how disobedient the wife might have been (and there are some famous cases in the Quran, like the wives of Noah and Lut PP&BBUT ), but it just never happened, there is absolutely no history to support this negative behavior.
If you want my opinion, I believe that the most appropriate meaning that I can think of for
Aribhunna is give them an ultimatum, not beat them!

I believe that that deliberate action of misinterpretation occurred because of the fact that the Quran was and still is under the dominion of some egocentric men, and so you know the rest. That misinterpretation, which is one of many by the way, is the reason behind the disgrace that had befallen the nation of Muslims.

Just tell me which version you think is the most faithful to the original

None of those versions, sadly!

P.S. In version 2 in your post, the part regarding Aribhunna is missing!

You are a rare gem here,

IKAW DIN!

PAALAM!!!

Peace It Is
Salaamunn He-Ya

Salaams,

Greetings to all the respectful members of this forum.

I am new here, well not totally, for I was recently introduced to you by Dhulqarnain, in his very characteristic way.
I just wanted to tell you that I did read all the comments of some of the members, and if anyone would like to add anything to them, for I am here in person now and it will be my pleasure to recieve all your comments directly.

Wa Ssalaam 3ala Manne Ettaba3a Al Hudaa