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And the two women who commit lewdness, you shall bring four witnesses over them from amongst you; if they bear witness, then you shall restrict them in the homes until death takes them, or God makes for them a way out. 4.16 And the two men who commit it from amongst you, then you shall annoy them. If they repent and amend, then leave them alone. God is Redeemer, Merciful. Why is there a difference here? Anyone has any suggestions/opinions?

Hey, Whats up guys!? I am a little confused about the story of Solomon when he meets the Queen in the Valley of the Ants. From the story, I got the notion that it was alright to attack those of other religions if they do not come to the straight path by only serving God. This is because he threatened to use force unless the Queen submitted to the Lord of the Universe alone. Isn't this forcing your way of life on others, or am I just reading the story wrong? Thanks

Peace all, It is now done...After all these months of anguish and corrections and discussions...'The Message' is now available as a book for those who dislike reading on-line only ) Here is the Bookstore link Amazon.com iUniverse.com http//www.free-minds.org/0595290353s.gif It has been arranged that upto 25 copies will be distributed for free (1 per person) for people living in the US. Please post your name and e-mail on this forum only if you are living in the US and would like a free copy...1st come 1st served. Layth

Salaam I know one that had dated a girl from afganastan, When they seperated she asked him to eat a Pomagrant She prayed over the bowl which contained a Pomagrant mixed with salt, He said it tasted sweet and sour.... guess he trusted her intentions. But why? What is this for? From a hadeeth? anyone know what this was about here? Or is the answer to this only in a 'sunni' forum

Aaron ...Thank you for your invitation to this website; you told me it was different but i must disagree with you, despite having only had an exchange with a few people...because i have spend these days reading other posts and can assure you that my desire for sincere dialouge will not happen here. Besides, the internet is not my thing... Thanks again.. Let me leave you with something I read the other day "...Contemporary muslim intellectuals..those at least whose voices are most often heard...seek scapegoats for the fact that Islam never developed the means of destroying the world and dehumanizing man. They have been maimed by their sense of inferiority, vis-avis Western technological achievements. Some blame the rigidity of the ulama, some blame sufism and others Asharism. Islam, they point out, gave science to Europe and raced with it towards the goal of power and imperial domination. It is true enough that Islam passed onto western europe the Greek virus, an organism that muslims had proved immune to but christiendom succumbed; but the muslims of our own time must be the only people on earth who have ever complained of their ancestorers immunity to disease. They refuse to admit that neither the science they admire, nor the technology they covet could ever have arisen in a truly islamic climate.... "....Islamic science..in the great age of islamic science...was concerned on the one hand with discerning the signs of Allah in natural phenomena, and on the other with observing the forces and laws of nature, the better to cooperate with them, so the human family might be more fitted into the God given enviornemnt. Until the whole pattern was thrown off balance in recent times, it was never the Muslims way to work, as it were, against the grain, to force the natural world out of shape and abuse its riches. His world was regulated in accordance with human proportion; he built nothing that might overwhelm him in terms of its size or grandeur; he never became the servant of his own tools, and as long as he obeyed the command to "walk gently on the earth",... he and his horses and camels and his cattle..it seems unlikely that he ever could have designed bulldozers to rip it up. His pure science was the knowledge of essences rather than phenomena as such. Stars and stones, mountains and the earths vegatation, the waves of the ocean and the clouds in the sky were not a random collection of objects, but a sequence of pictures contained in a single volume. These pictures and "signs" were all the more comprehensible for being simple, free from complexities and distortions which human inventivness introduces into the phenomena of the natural world. If modern science has destroyed the normal human capacity to think in terms of symbols, it is also true that modern technology has obscured the symbolism inherent in the natural enviornment and therefore made comprehension more difficult...." I hope you will see that you are wasting your time with these very ignorant people. If you only knew how deep things really are, how much more to Islam and life is here than what all of these people are quacking about. No need to respond on this website for i will not be opening up to this website again. You have my email address if you want further contact. Peace

Salam, I have always tried to find the reason why people say that Israel is Jacob. I can not find any evidence to confirm that? oops Could someone (else) help me? Thanks

I Salam I beleive these ayats destroy any hope that Western style democracy and equality can be reconciled to the quran. And thank God for that. When the quran speaks of taking counsel among the people, have you asked yourself taking consel, among WHOM? Not the majority! The quran is a theocentric religionand its political system , when working in accordance with the quran, will be a theocentric society. (TOO BE DISTINGUSIHED FROM THEOCRATIC), It is a society that recognizes the natural, God given ,superiority of some over others. When this system works, all are equal before God by virtue of their piety; in fact, that is how man is to be judged, by how conscious he is of the absolute..of God, and how pious he is; what other equality can their be? If one looks around, there is a hierarchial struture to EVERYTHING..(.even within yourself) Show me one organization, one animal group, show me anything that is not hierarchial in its struture. Even God, as he relates to us as his creatures, descends in a hierarichal fashion, but that is a different story. I would only add that no system has ever worked; there is something in human society that defies definition, but when a society most prospers (and i do not mean economically or in the modern sense of "human rights") it has been a theocentric system, where God and not man is at the center. "(Demo" meaning people, and Theo meaning "God" salam

"......But one may ask, if the reading of the quran is so arduous and precarious, even for men who know arabic,how is it that islam can win so many followers amongst peoples who do not know the language, and are as far removed from the arabs as the Negros, the Chinese and the malays? The reason is that Islam expands, not through the reading of the quran, but by its human, spiritual, psychological and social manifestations if afriacan negros embrace the muslim religion, it is because they observe the kind of life led by the believers, see them praying, hear the call of the muezzin, observe a certain generositycommon to believers, and also the serenity of the pious; and it is only afterwards that they learn the minimum of arabic neccessary for the cannonical prayers. The immense majority of no arab muslims will never be able to read the Quran, still less, appreicate its literary qualities; they live in the effect, without knowing the cause......" Gee, imagine if all the muslims we ever met were cut-throat, cunning, womanizing and viloent terrorists...just a few of the wests sterotypes..would the present day converts have seen through all that human ugliness to find the beautiful message in the Quran? The point is my beloved point you cannot throw out the baby with the bathwater; whether you like it or not, islam is more than the quran. peace

What do you think of this article? The first revelation was "Read," and included the statement "God teaches by means of the pen" (961-4), and the second revelation was "The Pen" (681). The only function of the pen is to write. Ignorant Muslim scholars of the first two centuries after the Quran could not understand the Quran's challenge to produce anything like it. They had no idea about the Quran's mathematical composition, and they knew that many literary giants could have composed works comparable to the Quran. In fact, many such literary giants did claim the ability to produce a literary work as excellent as the Quran. The latest claim came from Taha Hussein, the renowned Egyptian writer. The ignorant Muslim scholars then decided to proclaim Muhammad an illiterate man! They figured that this would make the Quran's extraordinary literary excellence truly miraculous. The word they relied on to bestow illiteracy upon the Prophet was "UMMY." Unfortunately for those "scholars," this word clearly means "Gentile," or one who does not follow any scripture (Torah, Injeel, or Quran) ; it does NOT mean "illiterate." The Prophet was a successful merchant. The "Muslim scholars" who fabricated the illiteracy lie forgot that there were no numbers during the Prophet's time; the letters of the alphabet were used as numbers. As a merchant dealing with numbers every day, the Prophet had to know the alphabet, from one to one-thousand. The Quran tells us that Muhammad wrote down the Quran - Muhammad's contemporaries are quoted as saying, "These are tales from the past that he wrote down. They are being dictated to him day and night" (255). You cannot "dictate" to an illiterate person. The Prophet's enemies who accuse him of illiteracy abuse Verse 2948, which relates specifically to previous scriptures. On the 27th night of Ramadan 13 B.H. (Before Hijerah), Muhammad the soul, the real person, not the body, was summoned to the highest universe and the Quran was given to him (297, 171, 443, 531-18, 971-5). Subsequently, the angel Gabriel helped Muhammad release a few verses of the Quran at a time, from the soul to Muhammad's memory. The Prophet wrote down and memorized the verses just released into his mind. When the Prophet died, he left the complete Quran written down with his own hand in the chronological order of revelation, along with specific instructions as to where to place every verse. The divine instructions recorded by the Prophet were designed to put the Quran together into the final format intended for God's Final Testament to the world (7517). The early Muslims did not get around to putting the Quran together until the time of Khalifa Rashed `Uthmaan. A committee was appointed to carry out this task. Read Appendix 24 for the details. In accordance with , (You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them)I personally have a problem with the bolded part. What evidence is there? (in Muhammad is commanded to READ and is reminded of the "use of the pen")

Salaam Many things out there state that the Prophet (PBUH) died from poisening by his own peoples enemies? How exactly did Mohammed die? http//thespiritofislam.com/text/Q16.html I do not agree with the writer above on many of his agenda's, but ive read this many places on the net. Political arabic Conspiracy is the most possible thing that has happened to Islam, and beyond what happened to Jesus an christianity. Mohammed (PBUH) and his history is so distorted, one place it reads he had a pegan wife, bookseller and very knowledgable regarding them too.. guess anyone would know allot about the books they sold, reading and writing would help no? If indeed he could not read Then the other distortion is that someone else read and wrote a book for him to use him. (if not ALLAH and gabriel), Someone or people very knwoledgable about history and politics, aiming for a war and control over the people they faced oppression from... if the Qu'ran is under any doubt like the existance of "the satanic verses", "supersticious hadeeths", "hadeeths" that are not complying withe the Qu'ran and only seem to justify the same arab pagan practices, "Qur'anic translations" distorted and fixed to control the minds of there readers to even possibley take VIOLANT steps and measures to anyine who arguees with them, " arab favouritism" inspired and possibley a conspiracy to steel the Jewish 'conditional' faith and kill off Jews for it "chosen ones"to erase history and create a new relegion... a compulsive relegion now? Anyone has the right to be Muslim, Jew or Christain. For me a good person is one that is not a idol worshiper, hypocrate and very honest and greatfull to God, ALLAH.. its very clear that if we take all the teachings and place them side by side we do not need to see miracles to realize that ALLAHs grace comes to the ones that practice sincear honest faith, then you can see they are easy tranquel peoples and around them is tranquelity and peace.. Does it only need to be Monothiesm? Well we do not need 2,3,4 Gods to understand One whole origional creator. But how long did india have peace for thoug, until someone came along? the Angel "Gabriel" fed Krisna milk from his pinky and protected him from the wars of the Gods (i guess Jinns) then what could of possibly of been left to destroy Indias long history of Peace? Can we seek the truth in all this, or does the truth stay with Allah and we can not ever comprehend the whole truth until the last day. How did Mohammed (PBUH) die then? Killed or illed? Salaam

Salam, Aaron, one of the participants here asked me question--- about romantic relationships in another post that I would like to answer in this space; now for this loving mateship (azwaj) - which is what i mean if i say marriage as per Quran, fyi - do you or do you not believe that the "loving mateship" described in the Quran is permissible between 2 men or 2 women? please provide evidence upon which you base such an understanding. The short answer, of course, is yes. The loving (romantic) relationship described in the Qur'an is unisex... unless it deals with a specific sex/gender. The Qur'an really does not deal with romantic relationships outside of heterosexual because heterosexual relationships have been the most abusive (to children and women,) and over all destructive (incestry... sanctioned by states, et cetera) ... which the Qur'an deals with in detail. Even though I'm not a Homosexual, I'm a person who believes we are from lesbians -) My belief in that is entirely based on 41... where the soul of the first person as well as that soul's romantic parnter are feminine. This coincides with science (biology) which teaches us we came from one cell, which reproduced itself. Also, it has been quite a while since it was 'decided' that we are all from a woman (later named "LUCY" by scientists) who lived millions of years ago what is now Ethiopia (they found her bones in the 1970s.) surely you can't be saying that because in your opinion the "west" did wrong that it is ok to do wrong in turn. No, no, you misunderstand. The West went to a world (East) where everything was naturally accepted... and introduced unnatural (hate) beliefs about sexuality, gender issues and what have you. The British Empire -- alone -- have introduced Homophobia, Racism, Sexism, Fanaticism, et cetera, to many regions in the world, especially Africa. Until the Euros arrived, the Muslim world undrestood the differences between a luuti (or one who raped other straight men) and khanith (or one who was born with the natural inclination to be with others of his likes.) After Euros went back to Europe and wrote about how "filthy" and "immoral" the Muslims are to accept such people, Muslims started developing Homophobia... which started with hiding one's own sexuality to a society locking people in rooms (as was/is the case with the khanith or Mukhanneth.) Also, you talked about abstaining. Abstaining from what? Heterosexuals are asked to abstain until they get married, not non-heterosexuals. Do you really believe God expects the Homosexual... whether gay or lesbian... to abstain from natural inclination which God had created in them? Surely, then such god cannot be a Merciful God, can such? Cheers cool

Beginnings 1- And the Angels said ?O Mary, God gives good news of a word from Him whose name is the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. Honourable in this world and in the Hereafter, and from among those who are made close. And he speaks to the people from the cradle, and in old age, and from among the upright.? She said ?My Lord, how can I have a son when no human has touched me?? He said ?It is thus that God creates what He wills, when He decrees a command, He merely says to it ?Be?, and it is.? (345-47) 2- The example of Jesus with God is similar to that of Adam; He created him from dust, then He said to him ?Be? and he was. (359) 3- And recall in the Scripture Mary, when she withdrew herself from her family to a place which was to the east. She took to a barrier which separated her from them, so We sent Our spirit to her, and he took on the shape of a human in all similarity. She said ?I seek refuge with the Almighty from you if you are a person of faith.? He said ?I am the messenger of your Lord, to give you the gift of a pure son.? She said ?How can I have a son when no man has touched me, nor do I desire such?? He said ?It is such that your Lord has said, it is easy for Me. And We shall make him a sign for mankind and a mercy from Us. It is a matter already ordained. So she was pregnant with him, and she went to deliver in a far place. Then the birth pains came to her, by the trunk of a palm tree. She said ?I wish I had died before this, and became totally forgotten!? But then he called to her from beneath her ?Do not be sad, your Lord Has made below you a stream. And shake the trunk of this palm tree, it will cause ripe dates to fall upon you. So eat and drink and be happy. If you see any human being, then say ?I have declared a fast for the Almighty, and I will not talk today to any of mankind." Then she came to her people carrying him. They said ?O Mary, you have come with something totally unexpected! O sister of Aaron, your father was not a bad man, and your mother was never unchaste!? So she pointed to him. They said ?How can we talk to someone who is a child in a cradle?? He said ?I am God?s servant, He has given me the scripture and made me a prophet. And He made me blessed wherever I was, and He enjoined me with the assembly and towards betterment as long as I am alive. And to be dutiful to my mother, and he did not make me a rebellious tyrant. And peace be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am resurrected alive.? Such was Jesus, the son of Mary, and this is the truth of the matter in which they doubt. (1916-34) Even before his birth, or conception in the womb for that matter, Jesus the Messiah was talked about and known about, in the case of his mother's knowledge. She had recieved this premonition while she was withdrawn from her family. Jesus is said to be like 'Adam'. Adam refers to mankind, a people who are human, not to a single organism unto itself. Jesus is like mankind and thus it is highly probable that he has a biological father just like other humans. All things were created in pairs (4312) and parental pairing in the case of Jesus' conception in the womb does not sound like a far cry from reason. Mary was skeptical however about the news she was recieving, perhaps a premonition, nor did she look forward to the news she got because she did not want a son, but if a matter is decreed by God, it will carry out. Eventually Mary did concieve of Jesus and decided to go away to bring Jesus into the light of the world. As she was heading to her destination the pangs of birth overcame her and she had no choice other than to deliver the baby where she was. She was irritated, or worried at that fact (1923). While under the palm tree she was inspired to eat of the dates of the palm tree above her and to drink of the water of the stream near her. She would not talk to any human she came across for that very day. Coming back among her people with the babe in her arms, all sorts of ideas ran in their heads because they were not expecting her to be with child. They had tried to rebuke her for the folly they believed she had commited by telling her how she made her good family seem bad for what she had done. Since she vowed to keep silent that whole day, God made His prophecy (346) come to pass and Jesus spoke to the people while in the cradle, that is being a baby. In his words Jesus describes himself as (1) God's servant, (2) a recipient of scripture and prophethood, (3) one who is blessed by God, (4) dutiful to his mother, (5) has peace on him since his day of birth till his death and till he is resurrected alive, and (5) he is not a tyrant. Some points to reflect on (a) Being alike, or similar to mankind (Adam) Jesus is capable of death, old age, and normal parentage, that is having both a mother and a father. (b) Mary's people were so flabberghasted at her having a son because she kept aloof from her people during this period in her life. Thus they would be unaware of her personal life, pregnancy, etc. (c) God is not referring to a 'Virgin Birth' when He says that he will create what He wants after Mary says she has not been with a man. Take note to the exact same situation that is narrated in regards to Abraham and his wife (5128-30, 1553-55, 1171-73). This does not mean that his (Abraham's) wife also had a Virgin Birth. It simply means that a decree has been set forth and the necessary things will happen so such things can be accomplished, or set into motion. Maturity 1- And We gave Moses the Scripture, and after him We sent the messengers. And We gave Jesus son of Mary the clear proofs, and We supported Him with the Holy Spirit. Is it that every time a messenger comes to you with what your souls do not desire, you become arrogant? A group of them you deny, and a group of them you kill! (287) 2- And He teaches him the Scripture and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Injeel. And a messenger to the Children of Israel ?I have come to you with a sign from your Lord; that I create for you from clay the form of a bird, then I blow into it and it becomes a bird by God?s leave, and I heal the blind and the leapers, and give life to the dead by God?s leave, and I prophesize for you what you shall eat and what to store in your homes. In that is a sign for you if you are believers. And authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me. God is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him, this is a Straight Path.? So when Jesus felt their rejection, he said ?Who are my supporters to God?? The disciples said ?We are God?s supporters, we believe in God and we bear witness that we have surrendered. Our Lord, we believe in what You have sent down, and followed the messenger, so record us with those who bear witness.? And they schemed and God schemed, but God is the best schemer. God said ?O Jesus, I will take you, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who rejected until the day of judgment; then to Me is your return so I will judge between all of you in what it was that you disputed. As for those who have rejected, I will punish them severely in this world and in the Hereafter, they will have no supporters. And as for those who believed and did good works, God will pay them their reward; God does not like the wicked.? (348-57) 3- O people of the Scripture, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God?s messenger and His word which He delivered to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say ?Three.? Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker. The Messiah is not too proud to be a servant to God, nor are the Angels who are close to Him. Whoever is too proud from His service, and is arrogant, then He will gather them all towards Him together. (4171-172) 4- God said ?O Jesus son of Mary, recall My blessings upon you and your mother that I supported you with the Holy Spirit; you spoke to the people in the cradle and in old age; and I taught you the scripture and the wisdom, and the Torah, and the Injeel; and you would create from clay the shape of a bird, then blow into it and it becomes a bird by My leave; and you healed the blind and the leaper by My leave; and you brought out the dead by My leave. And I have restrained the Children of Israel from you, that you came to them with proofs; but those who rejected amongst them said ?This is clearly magic!? And I inspired the disciples that you shall believe in Me and My messenger; they said ?We believe, and bear witness that we have surrendered.? And the disciples said ?O Jesus son of Mary, can your Lord send down for us a feast from heaven?? He said ?Be aware of God if you are believers.? They said ?We want to eat from it and so our hearts become relieved, and so we know that you are truthful, and so that we can become a witness over it.? Jesus son of Mary, said ?O God, send down to us a feast from heaven, that it becomes a joy to us from the first to the last, and a sign from You, and provide for us, you are the best provider.? God said ?I will send it down to you, but whoever rejects after this from amongst you, I will punish him a punishment like no one else from the worlds will be punished!? (5110-115) 5- And when the son of Mary was cited as an example, your people turned away from it. And they said ?Are our gods better or is he?? They only cited this to argue with you. Indeed, they are a quarrelsome people. He was no more than a servant whom We blessed, and We made him an example for the Children of Israel. And if We willed, We could have made some of you Angels who reproduce on earth. And he was a lesson for the Hour. So have no doubt about it. And follow Me; this is a straight path. And let not the devil repel you; he is to you a clear enemy. And when Jesus came with the proofs, he said ?I have come to you with the wisdom, and to clarify some of the matters in which you dispute. So be aware of God and obey me. God is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. This is a straight path.? The groups disputed among themselves. Woe to those who transgress from the retribution of a painful day. (4357-65) 6- And when Jesus, son of Mary, said ?O children of Israel, I am God's messenger to you, authenticating what is present with me of the Torah and bringing good news of a messenger to come after me whose name will be Ahmad.? But when he showed them the clear proofs, they said ?This is profound magic.? (616) 7- O you who believe, be God's supporters, as Jesus the son of Mary said to his disciples ?Who are my supporters towards God?? They said ?We are God's supporters.? Thus, a group from the Children of Israel believed, and another group rejected. So We supported those who believed against their enemy, until they won. (6114) Jesus in his maturity, as God prophecized, spoke to the people (346). The people were the Children of Israel, who were a community of Muslims, the former Ummah. Among the Children of Israel was a group of people who were the Disciples of Jesus the Messiah. What were the charateristics of these disciples? The Disciples (1) God's supporters. (2) Believers in God, they surrendered. (3) Followed the Messenger and believed in Revelation. God had supported Jesus with the Holy Spirit and also restrained the Children of Israel from harming Jesus while he brought God's arguments/proofs to them. Many of them rejected Jesus the Messiah and the proofs he brought to them were called 'Magic' by those who disbelieved. Magic constitutes falsehood/s and this is in reality what the people were trying to say Jesus was preaching. Jesus knew the Children of Israel were rejectors and they schemed and plotted against him the while God is ever scheming and the best of schemers. Some of the signs shown and worked among the people by Jesus are as follows. Signs Jesus came with (1) Blows into a clay bird and then releases it to flight. a) This constitutes the setting free of the spirits of mankind. (2) Gives life to those who are dead. b) This constitutes the giving of life to those who are spiritually dead, or in the dark. (3) Heals the blind and the leapers. c) This constitutes those who are heedless of the light/Scripture. (4) Tells the people what they should be eating and leaving for storage at their homes. (5) Authenticates the Torah/the Instruction/the Guidance. (6) Has a feast from God sent down from the heavens to the disciples. d) This constitutes the Revelation itself. The feast is to provide for the disciples and bring a joy. Whichever of them, the disciples, rejected the signs thereafter would be punished in both this world and in the Hereafter. With God as a support and the disciples as devout suppoters with Jesus to God, there arose out of the disorder and contempt of the Children of Israel a group who were Pro-God. Who is Jesus and what role did he play in all this? Jesus' role and idealisms (1) Jesus is taught the Scripture, Wisdom, Torah/the Instruction, and Injeel/the Good News. (2) A Messenger/Example to the Children of Israel. (3) A witness to his people and to the disciples. (4) Humble and not too proud to be God's servant. (5) Supported with the Holy Spirit. (6) Speaks to the people from infancy to old age. (7) God's servant. (8 ) A lesson for the Hour. (9) Comes to the people with proof/wisdom to clarify their disputations. (10) Brings good news of a Messenger to be sent after him called Ahmad. (11) Calls for his disciples to be God's supporters. Like all Messengers Jesus called for his people to obey him and serve God alone (2125), since this was a path that was straight. Also like all other Messengers, whenever Jesus showed his people proofs/evidences/wisdom they called it magic/lies/illusions. It should be noted that Jesus was not alone in this duty of his, for his disciples carried this duty as well since they were his supporters to God. Some points to reflect on (a) Though one may take the idea of 'signs' literally and think of them as miracles, one must remember that God does not break the laws He sets forth. That is, He will not bend the laws of nature or change the laws of the Scriptures. (b) Jesus is a lesson of the Hour since he too is subject to this ordeal of death, being of mankind, or the Children of Adam, who are all subject to the Hour. Or maybe he is a lesson because he is raised to life amongst the dead, just as the plants are raised to life from dead earth (4311). By being raised to life among the dead I mean that the Children of Israel were dead spiritually, but Jesus was alive spiritually, and he was raised above them as God was his supporter and sustainer. (c) When it is said that Jesus will be raised to God one must understand that this is speaking of Jesus recieving eminence, or being held in God's favour. Remember Jesus is a blessed servant. Death and On-wards 1- And they said ?God Has taken a son!? Be He glorified. To Him is all that is in the heavens and in the earth, all are humbled to Him. (2116) 2- God said ?O Jesus, I will take you, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who rejected until the day of judgment; then to Me is your return so I will judge between all of you in what it was that you disputed. As for those who have rejected, I will punish them severely in this world and in the Hereafter, they will have no supporters. And as for those who believed and did good works, God will pay them their reward; God does not like the wicked.? (355-57) 3- And their saying ?We have killed the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of God!? They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they had. Those who dispute are in doubt of him, they have no knowledge except to follow conjecture; they did not kill him for a certainty. For God raised him to Himself; and God is Noble, Wise. And from among the people of the Scripture will be those who believed in him as to his death, and on the day of resurrection he will be witness against them. (4157-159) 4- O people of the Scripture, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God?s messenger and His word which He delivered to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say ?Three.? Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker. (4171) 5- Rejecters indeed are those who have said ?God is the Messiah the son of Mary.? Say ?Who has any power against God if He wanted to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother, and all who are on earth!? And to God is the sovereignty of heavens and earth and all that is in-between; He creates what He pleases. God is capable of all things. (517) 6- The day God will gather the messengers and He will say ?What was the response you received??; they said ?We have no knowledge, you are the Knower of all the unseen.? God said ?O Jesus son of Mary, recall My blessings upon you and your mother that I supported you with the Holy Spirit; you spoke to the people in the cradle and in old age; and I taught you the scripture and the wisdom, and the Torah, and the Injeel; and you would create from clay the shape of a bird, then blow into it and it becomes a bird by My leave; and you healed the blind and the leaper by My leave; and you brought out the dead by My leave. And I have restrained the Children of Israel from you, that you came to them with proofs; but those who rejected amongst them said ?This is clearly magic!" And I inspired the disciples that you shall believe in Me and My messenger; they said ?We believe, and bear witness that we have surrendered.? And the disciples said ?O Jesus son of Mary, can your Lord send down for us a feast from heaven?? He said ?Be aware of God if you are believers.? They said ?We want to eat from it and so our hearts become relieved, and so we know that you are truthful, and so that we can become a witness over it.? Jesus son of Mary, said ?O God, send down to us a feast from heaven, that it becomes a joy to us from the first to the last, and a sign from You, and provide for us, you are the best provider.? God said ?I will send it down to you, but whoever rejects after this from amongst you, I will punish him a punishment like no one else from the worlds will be punished!? And God will say to Jesus son of Mary ?Did you tell the people to take you and your mother as gods instead of God?? He said ?Be you glorified, I cannot say what I have no right of. If I had said it then you know it, you know what is in my soul while I do not know what is in your soul. You are the Knower of the unseen. I only said to them what You commanded me to say, that you shall serve God my Lord and your Lord; and I was witness over them as long as I was with them, but when You took me, You were watcher over them. You are witness over all things. If You punish them, then they are Your servants, and if You forgive them, then You are the Noble, Wise.? God will say ?This is a day when the truth will benefit the truthful; they will have gardens with rivers flowing beneath, eternally they will abide therein; God Has become pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. Such is the greatest victory.? (5109-119) 7- ?And peace be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am resurrected alive.? (1933) 8- And they said the Almighty has taken a son! You have come with a gross blasphemy. The heavens are about to shatter from it, and the earth crack open, and the mountains fall and crumble. That they claimed that the Almighty had a son. And what need does the Almighty have to take a son? When all there is in the heavens and earth will but come to the Almighty as servants. He has encompassed them, and counted them one by one. And all of them will come to Him on the day of resurrection, all alone. (1988-95) It is said that Jesus lived into maturity and was not killed by his opponents. Like all men, however, his life was terminated at some point (236, 218, 34-35). Being of mankind, he like all people, are born into this world, then die in this world and will be resurrected alive in the world to come, the Hereafter. Before his life was terminated God promised to raise Jesus to eminence and seperate him from those who are rejectors. After Jesus' departure from this world, or termination of life many conjectures sprang up about him, lies that were attributed to him. Some of these conjectures are as follows. Conjectures attributed to Jesus (1) Jesus is the third godhead in the Trinity, God the Son (2116, 517, 73). (2) Jesus was crucified and killed. (3) Jesus is the begotten Son of God. We are told how it was made to seem to the people that Jesus was crucified. This simply means that people were running their mouths off about things that were not true and after some time the people began to actually believe in such nonsense. We are then told about events in the Hereafter in which Jesus will be reminded by God of all the things which he went through. God will then question Jesus as to whether those who were idolizing him and his mother as gods were told to do so by the Messiah. Jesus will bear witness against such a case. Jesus tells God that (1) he only told the people what God commanded him to say, (2) that he was a witness amongst his people, so long as he was among them, (3) he does not know the unseen, (4) when God took him/terminated his life, it was God who continued to watch over the people, and (5) that God can forgive or punish such of His servants as He pleases. Such was Jesus, the son of Mary, and this is the truth of the matter in which they doubt. (1934) Any comments on the above work I've rounded up? Joe

So what do you wall think about (((111- Al-Masad))) ? 111.001 YUSUFALI Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he! PICKTHAL The power of Abu Lahab will perish, and he will perish. SHAKIR Perdition overtake both hands of Abu Lahab, and he will perish. 111.002 YUSUFALI No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains! PICKTHAL His wealth and gains will not exempt him. SHAKIR His wealth and what he earns will not avail him. 111.003 YUSUFALI Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame! PICKTHAL He will be plunged in flaming Fire, SHAKIR He shall soon burn in fire that flames, 111.004 YUSUFALI His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - As fuel!- PICKTHAL And his wife, the wood-carrier, SHAKIR And his wife, the bearer of fuel, 111.005 YUSUFALI A twisted rope of palm-leaf fibre round her (own) neck! PICKTHAL Will have upon her neck a halter of palm-fibre. SHAKIR Upon her neck a halter of strongly twisted rope.

Salam, or Peace, I received an e-mail from a participant here last night. The person asked why I object to the usage of "Allah" when I sometimes say "Salam" instead of Peace and most of the time "Muslim" instead of Submitter. For me, it is simple; a) If you are using a language beside the original, then use the new language's usage of that word. For me, I don't know any one word that completes the word "Muslim" in English. The word submitter -- though it covers the "literal" meaning -- does not come close to what Muslim means; one who submits wholly to God. b) The word Allah is divisive in the sense that it potrays another god though there is an equal word for it in English; God. There is a movement out there which works very hard to 'proof' that Allah is a separate god for Muslims. Among their claims, it is that Muslims exclusively use this word to mean for their god. c) As for Salam, to me it is just universal. Among many languages the word is same; Hindi, Urdu, Farsi, Kiswahili, etc. Not only that, everybody almost knows what it means. So, what do you all think? Is the word SUBMITTER a valid substitute for the word MUSLIM? Cheers cool

http//www.huriyahmag.org My god, Adfdere, are you a homo? Are you a supporter of gay rights?? What's up with this? LOL!! Hey Afdhere, please tell me that I've totally misinterpreted what I saw on your web page. If not, then your fate is clear, boy....

SALAAMUN TO ALL Keep the following in mind and you cannot go wrong Continue to believe in Allah. Continue to believe what Allah SAYS. Continue to believe Allah is perfect. Continue to believe His Book, Al-Qur-an, is what He SAYS it is a) complete b) fully detailed c) omits nothing d) perfect Continue to believe Him, when He SAYS to bring your borhan/evidence for whatever you say about Him, His Din, His Qur-an, and His Messenger. If you hold yourself and others to these few standard truths, then you will not be confused ( for very long anyway ) nor can anyone deceive you. I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, alone and I submit myself to Him, The Lord of the Worlds. Al-Qur-an ONLY!

There are about four or so examples of mistakes committed by the prophet in the Quran (661, 801, etc.). The central tenet of Hadith based Islam is that the Prophet was perfect. Any mistake he did make was corrected in Quran. Therefore, he only made four or so mistakes EVER. What evidence is there in so called "Sahih" Hadith of mistakes comitted by the Prophet? Please only respond to the question in BOLD.

O you who believe, seek help through patience and the assembly, God is with the patient ones. 2153 And if you are with them and you hold the assembly for them, then let a group from amongst them stand with you and let them take their weapons; and when they have submitted then let them stand guard behind you; and let a group who has not yet assembled come and assemble with you, and let them be wary and take their weapons with them. The rejecters hope that you would neglect your weapons and goods so they can come upon you in one blow. There is no sin upon you if there is harm to you from rain, or if you are ill, that you put down your weapons, but be wary. God Has prepared for the rejecters a humiliating retribution. 4102 So when you are done with the assembly, then remember God while standing, or sitting, or on your sides. Then, when you are relieved, you shall hold the assembly. Certainly, the assembly for the believers is a scheduled ledger. 4103 It means prayer Im guessing. But what does it involve? Just reciting part of the Quran? Certainly, the assembly for the believers is a scheduled ledger. 4103 Thats saying that assembly(prayer) has a schedule. I would think its something like what the Sunnis do, just not so ritualistic and no bowing down to an idol. Is it just a gathering were people remember and reicte Gods Scripture? The Quran commands us to assemble many times, but I'm confused as to what I am to do in assembly. What if there are no other muslims around here? How can I assemble? Is the word being translated wrong here?(im using the translation by Progressive Muslims).

Salaam Anyone her know great "KORANIC" multimedia links? --this one i like but sura 2 and 3 is distorted-- http//www.wponline.org/vil/audio/quran_with_english.htm

Peace upon all, How do you understand the end of this verse? How would you do it? And proclaim "Praise be to GOD, who has never begotten a son, nor does He have a partner in His kingship, nor does He need any ally out of weakness," and magnify Him constantly/glorify Him greatly. Waquli alhamdu lillahi allatheelam yattakhith waladan walam yakun lahu shareekun feealmulki walam yakun lahu waliyyun mina alththulli wakabbirhu takbeeran Does takbeer (kabbara) is a synonym of tasbih (sabbaha = to glorify)? Or Does Tasbih is one form of takbeer? Thanks Marie