A Question about the prayer
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Ok so there are the ones who pray for the prophet, to which they ask blessing on him and all
033.056 Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.
I've read this page already http//www.submission.org/muhammed/salawat.html
And i've also read some book which says you must pray on the prophet. And also that something called tashahhud is a must, and this thing contains a prayer on the prophet.But what my simple logic and brain tell me is The prophet was praying God alone and not for him too right? So what we should do is do like him right, pray only God.
But, is it right to pray For someone, so that this someone may be in a safe journey for example? Like you ask God to bless this someone and protect him and all.
Actually, for the prayer on the prophet, i don't know if it is necesary. Because he is dead, and near God now i guess.
Well all these questions came to me when i actually started to read this website, because i know muslims who do prayer ala sunni, with prayer on prophet and all, and actually i was thinking "hey, isn't monotheism only swearing by God? Isn't monotheism only calling God in the prayers? Isn't monotheism the simple and pure uniqueness of God alone, and following God and only God with the srcipture God sent us throught the messager, the prophet?"
You know, i'm affraid of assiociation. And i fear saying someone elses name during prayer could be considered association by God. & So i was thinking "isn't it safer to only call God, to only say the names of God during the prayer?"
And also, i remenber a verse stating that only God can be called upon in the temples. This is what also made me think.
?And the temples are for God, so do not call on anyone with God.? (The Message 721
072.018 "And the places of worship are only for Allah, so pray not unto anyone along with Allah. " Marmaduke Pickthall
072 18. "And that the mosques are Allah's, therefore call not upon any one with Allah" Muhammed Shakir
072.018 "And the places of worship are for God (alone) So invoke not any one along with God; Yusuf Ali
Thanks for reading and all
Peace
Edit, i think i posted it in wrong subforum. Sorry.
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Dear Yosemite,
Yousuf Ali's translations are not reliable in terms of portraying the context of the Quranic message, I am highly inclined to say.
Any Ritual associated with prayer is not prescribed in the Quran in my opinion. The correct word/root for invokation/prayer is Daal-Ayn-Alif and it means to "call out", and it has no rituals. Salaat in my opinion has been used for "honouring", "following closely", "orating", "remaining attached" or "supporting". Da'aa is one of the elements in one of the instances of salaat as used in the Quran, but salaat doesn not exclusively mean prayer.
So call out to God directly, without any barriers or restrictions. Your mind is your temple! -
peace
we don't need to pray for the prophet, since he is dead and his soul is going to heaven. us praying or not praying for him won't change anything.
i think people who do pray for him will eventually take it too far
and start to pray to him.
i'm also curious about 3356 as a matter a fact, i'm curious about a lot of ayahs in sura 33.also, maxq, i'm pretty sure i've read somewhere that we should bow and prostrate,
i don't think there's anything wrong with physical prayer, as long as we pray only to Allah. -
033.056 Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.
Whoever translated this verse is either ignorant in the Arabic language, or Satan incarnate.
The phrase "Salloo Alayhi" does NOT mean to shower him with blessings.
The phrase "Sallimou Tasleeman" does NOT mean salute him.The link you provided to the submission.org website pretty much explains it all. Why do you still have doubts about the meaning of the phrase?
The sectarians think that "Salat ala" is something that is strictly for the Prophet. This is because 99% of them have ZERO idea about what is in the Quran, because they never bother to read it. They follow their mullahs and marja's blindly and leave the Quran sitting on the shelf and gathering dust. And even if they do attempt to read it, they will read it only through sectarian glasses and the lenses of Bukhary or Kafi. Therefore, God has placed a "ghisha" (cover) on their eyes, which prohibits them from understanding His words.
Yosemite, I would like you to take a look at the following verses of the Quran, in which the phrase "Yusalli Alayhi" appears. You will see that it is NOT exclusive to the Prophet, as the hypnotized sectarians so vehemently claim.
I will leave the phrase in red text untranslated, so that you might figure out what it means from the context of the verse
In the above verse, God is telling the Prophet to take ,from the money of the believers, a charity in order to purify them, and also to "salli alayhim".
So here, the role is reversed!! It is the Prophet who must do the "salat" on the faithful !!What does the phrase "Salli alayhim" mean to you??
Read these next verses
And We will test you with some fear and hunger, and a shortage in money and lives and fruits. And give good news to those who are patient.
The ones who, when afflicted with adversity, they say "We are to God and to Him we will return."
On those there will be a "salat" from their Lord and a mercy, for they are the guided ones.In the above three verses, God is telling us that those who are patient in the face of tragedies or hardships will have "Salat" upon them from their Lord.
Does this mean that God will pray to them??
Finally, check out this last verse
Here, it is also God who is "Yusalli" on the faithful.
From all of the above verses, we can conlude the following two things
1- That "Salat" upon someone is NOT restricted only to the Prophet.
2- That the word does not mean "prayer" or "blessings", because
a) It is unlikely that God will "pray" on or for His faithful servants
b) The "salat" of God upon His servants leads them from darkness to
light (as per 3343). This is accomplished by certain ACTIONS, and
not mere empty words of prayer or blessings.The typical sectarian muslims will not understand these truths, because they have been blinded by their mullahs and cannot even approach the Quran except through the intercession of those mullahs (for fear of burning in Hell for all eternity).
It has been established that the word "salat" is derived from the root
which means "connection" or "contact". It does NOT mean empty rituals or words of blessings.What about the phrase "Sallimou Tasleeman" ??
The sectarian (suunis and shia) , who have deserted the Quran for 15 centuries, think that it means "salute him". So they keep on reiterating "Salam alayka ya rasoulallah!!" (Peace be upon you, O Prophet!!). What's even more ridiculous, is that they will call to God and say "Allahoumma salli was sallem alayhi" (They are asking God to give peace and blessings to the Prophet).
The word "tasleeman" also appears in two other verses of the Quran. Again, I will leave it untranslated
Does the phrase "sallimou tasleeman" mean "greeting/salutation"??
Or does it mean "submit / yield fully" ??
Try subsituting both , and you will see which one fits in the context.
The correct translation for 3356 would be as follows
Furthermore, this verse is addressing those who lived during the time of the Prophet, and cannot be applied today, becasue the Prophet is not alive.
In fact, this is true for ALL verses in the Quran which address the "Prophet".
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All these above verses, which mention the Prophet, his wives, his homes, etc... ar circumstantial. They can no longer be applied today, because they deal with the Prophet as a person who lived in a certain age (7th Century), and a certain place (Arabia).
But the stubborn and backward-thinking traditionalists , who have deserted God's book for the Hadiths of Satan, cannot understand this truth.
Peace..
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peace
very good post pazuzu.
can you just explain how does one submit and how does one perform salat if not physically?i read the bosnian translation of the qur'an because, well, i understand the language better, although it might be a little mistranslated.
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Salaat is not to be "performed" according to the Quran; it has to be "established" or "upheld" when it says "aqeem us-salaat"...
Also, you submit to commands... by understanding them and putting them into action Through individual and social reform. A ritual as such, holds no meaning in that realm in my opinion.
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) God does not need us to glofiry Him through words or rituals. He is The Exalted, Most High...
His message gives us eminance if we try to understand it and act upon it.
We see God's glory through manifestations correct? I argue that our actions and their natural consequence is a manifestation of God, i.e. the system He has created for us. We being ONE (establishing a connection) with this system would make us a sublime example on Earth as those who followed their Lord's command through their "will to tread on the straight path and take reformative action" (aamanuu wa Amil us-SaaliHaat). This in itself is a manifestation of God. That is how you Glorify His Name (Day and Night).Again, the action is for individual and social reform and not a ritual in my opinion...
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Ok thanks for this very informative post Pazuzu. Thank you very much. The probleme is that the majority believes in the scholars and all, like the one in the book i've read that states that it's a must to pray on the prophet, and that they majority of people will say say "dude, you are not a true muslim if you don't do this or that".
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Whoever translated this verse is either ignorant in the Arabic language, or Satan incarnate.
Pazuzu, I guess that you were referring to Allama Yousuf Ali ... lol ... many Pakistani Sectarian forums revere his translations and quote them to back their point of view. -
) God does not need us to glofiry Him through words or rituals. He is The Exalted, Most High...
His message gives us eminance if we try to understand it and act upon it.
We see God's glory through manifestations correct? I argue that our actions and their natural consequence is a manifestation of God, i.e. the system He has created for us. We being ONE (establishing a connection) with this system would make us a sublime example on Earth as those who followed their Lord's command through their "will to tread on the straight path and take reformative action" (aamanuu wa Amil us-SaaliHaat). This in itself is a manifestation of God. That is how you Glorify His Name (Day and Night).Again, the action is for individual and social reform and not a ritual in my opinion...
brickwall Then why we should mak udhu voodoo
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