Homosexuality and Islam
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Peace Nurd,
Sure we can look back on that now and say "How Barbaric!" But then again we can look back at most of the customs of any ancient civilization and say the same.
IMHO, since we're talking about a messenger of God, I don't think he would do something against the God's system because of culture. The God's system doesn't change. I don't know of any instance where a "daughter's purity was for a father to give". Please correct me if I'm wrong.peace
Nurd, although he is talking about marrying them off, just to give women away like that, is rape in my eyes. Women cannot be inherited the Quran says.
Well said, AY. Especially when the point was that these people who wanted the men were evil and lusted for them... they weren't looking to marry them. What's good for the goose?..
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Hello all,
Let me take the chance of discussing homosexuality and raise an important subject, first of all I have no problem for the queers to be queers that is between them and their God, on the other hand, me as a father I have a responsibility to my children, one important asspect of this responsibility is to make sure that my children are raised properly without injecting any flaws in their innocent minds, I believe I will be held accountable by God if I misguide my children and decieve them.
While ignoring the fact that the homos sexcual activity is a clear cut case of filth and an act against how the God designed us, what most homos do to our innocent children is beyond belief, they deceive them by lying to make sure they are manipulated as they grow up then support their filthy and doomed act, they only want support in this life, they don't bloody care what may happen after, let me show you clear evidences to how the militant homos deceive our innocent chidlren
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See, Daddy, Mama and me is falsley injected into the children innocent minds to be "daddy papa and me"I have to say i must laugh on this one, hahahahahahahaha.
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See, "King and Queen" are "King and King", sounds like "in the begining god created Adam and Steve", you will find this statement in a book titled "the Gayble"http//free-islam.com8080/ahmed/gayingchildren/gay_children_books8.gif
This book title must have a typo, it should read "It's ok to be gay"Ok we have seen Daddy Papa and me, let's see Mom and Mum gettin married
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Hmmmm, I have to say kids, Mom with an O is different to Mum with a U, Mom with an O is sort of like Dad with a D and A, just take it from me kids, it is bloody truthful, or should I say it is fabulous that way.http//free-islam.com8080/ahmed/gayingchildren/gay_children_books5.gif
Of course we all will sing with the same voice but only if we take hormons, sort of we meet in the middle, all the boys take feminine hormons and all the girls take male hormons, fair enough kids?We have seen Daddy Papa and me, we have also seen, Mom (with an O) Mum and me, as well we have seen the King and King, now let's see the King and King and their family
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Look at the King boys and girls, see he is a queer king (fabulous), remember the other story I told you, it is ok to be different, I mean it is ok to be gay.http//free-islam.com8080/ahmed/gayingchildren/gay_children_books9.gif
Hmmm, I wonder what is the message the queers are telling our innocent children in this book?, sort of, bloody oath there are too many babies around that is why they are gays, kind of they are helping in birth control, that is noble by the queers I have to say, they sacrified having babies because there are too many babies around, that make sense.Remember Mom (with an O) and Mum who got married before, well here is a book about them when they got old
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BTW kids, the two dogs in the book are Mack and Jack, Mack are thinking of adopting a small doggie but Jack is opposing the idea, Jack prefers to hire Mandy (a female dog) to carry the baby for them, Mandy will take a few bones as a reward.Remember the book "babies everywhere", well sort of the innocent children were not convinced, so the queers are coming form another angel to tackle the problem
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See, now it is not babies everywhere, rather when you have a baby you have a trouble, i.e. don't bloody get any babies or you will be in trouble. well, I reckon if the parents of those queers implemented their concept we would not have them manipulating the inncoent children nowdays, or what do you think?What is more revolting than the above crime by the queers against our innocent children that some parents accept that these lies and deceptions are injected in their own innocnet children minds
Again, I seek refuge by Allah
Salam
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peace
Well said, AY. Especially when the point was that these people who wanted the men were evil and lusted for them... they weren't looking to marry them. What's good for the goose?..Exactly, and when using the Quran as its own explanation, the understanding becomes very clear
A father does not own a daughter, they can't be given away as an inheritence
419 O you who believe, it is not lawful for you to inherit the women by force[/b...
Or as QXP gives it
419 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! It is not lawful for you to force women into marrying or holding on to them in marriage against their will...
And the Prophet is the spiritual father
336 The Prophet is closer to the believers than their own selves and their own people. (Seeing that he is as a father to them), his wives are their mothers.
So the daughters of Lot were logically then, the women of his nation, and not literally his daughters. it would not surprised me if the original Bible story was changed and misunderstood by the Jewish scholars just as the Quran has been misunderstood on this point also.
As for Homosexuality, the Quran gives a Deen, a Divine System for Mankind, and so this matter must be judged from that point of view. This deserves a scientifical investigation on a psychological and sociological level, and the person's feelings and psyche must be respected and understood. Then the Quranic view can be understood better.
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Peace to all,
Ahmed, after a little research on these and many other similar books, did you notice that the author of "Dad, Pa, and me" is Mike Motz and Aldrich, who are jewish, "King and Kings" Stern Nijland book won the national jewish press award and is owned by Harper Collins Jane friedman, "Its OK to be different" is published by Time Warner which is owned by Norman Pearlman, "Mom and Mum" is published by second story press and is owned by Edgar Bronfman, and "We all sing with the same voice" is written by paul weisel who is jewish and published by Harper Collins also owned by Edgar Bronfman and Jane Friedman is CEO.
Just something to think about.
Kurt
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I guess we all have to be careful what kind of books kids are reading these days. Sometimes I'm especially wary of the public education system, which teaches different morals and values in opposition to Islamic values.
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Kurt why do you think it matters that those books were written by Jews?
AB thanks for posting that, twas very interesting. handshake
The verses which people claim prohibit homosexuality are pretty obscure.
There have been many Scientific, psychological and sociological studies on homosexuality but to no avail.
I?ve heard on the news that children adopted by gay couples end up with the same psychological damage as children from divorced heterosexual couples. The claim was made by the Catholics over the controversies about allowing gay couples to adopt. However there was no mention of how the study was conducted, they just made the claim.
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Oh please,
Someone enlighten me why Homosexuals are such a great danger to society?P.S. Books teaching children to be tolerant is bad....... wow, you sound just like some christians who were using the Bible to justify seperating blacks and whites, also illegalizing interracial marriage until 1996
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Oh please,
Someone enlighten me why Homosexuals are such a great danger to society?P.S. Books teaching children to be tolerant is bad....... wow, you sound just like some christians who were using the Bible to justify seperating blacks and whites, also illegalizing interracial marriage until 1996
Yeh yeh, the same old lame excuse
well, just bloody tell your children to be tolerant, not bloody lioe and deceive them?
and why bloody you want the children to be tolerent with the queers only?
where is teaching the tolerance regarding the uglys, the disabled, the fat, etc etc
sounds like you are one of those parents who should not have children from the first place
such a shame
PS you can buy all these books that are nothing but lies to your own children, dont bloody force it into oublic schools to polute my chidlren innocent minds
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Peace to all,
Ahmed, after a little research on these and many other similar books, did you notice that the author of "Dad, Pa, and me" is Mike Motz and Aldrich, who are jewish, "King and Kings" Stern Nijland book won the national jewish press award and is owned by Harper Collins Jane friedman, "Its OK to be different" is published by Time Warner which is owned by Norman Pearlman, "Mom and Mum" is published by second story press and is owned by Edgar Bronfman, and "We all sing with the same voice" is written by paul weisel who is jewish and published by Harper Collins also owned by Edgar Bronfman and Jane Friedman is CEO.
Just something to think about.
Kurt
Thanks bro
no mate, I was not aware of that
The content is enough to justify that these books are nothing but lies forced by the militant homos unto our children innocent minds
Salam
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If young children are exposed to homosexualism, especially in such a positive light, they will be in danger of becoming gays themselves. That is how this disease spreads in the first place.
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sounds like magi
is it not you who claimed to have a profiling program? i do believe it was
well i only have one option
you are dismissed
haha i love how your little "dismissed" animation is rainbow coloured... that was pretty gay of you... it must get cramped in that little closet, come on out!
Ahmed, after a little research on these and many other similar books, did you notice that the author of "Dad, Pa, and me" is Mike Motz and Aldrich, who are jewish, "King and Kings" Stern Nijland book won the national jewish press award and is owned by Harper Collins Jane friedman, "Its OK to be different" is published by Time Warner which is owned by Norman Pearlman, "Mom and Mum" is published by second story press and is owned by Edgar Bronfman, and "We all sing with the same voice" is written by paul weisel who is jewish and published by Harper Collins also owned by Edgar Bronfman and Jane Friedman is CEO.
Just something to think about.
that's some "more spiritual path" you're on there sun
newsflash it doesn't matter if lot "offered" his daughters because the offer was turned down, which he knew would happen anyways
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If young children are exposed to homosexualism, especially in such a positive light, they will be in danger of becoming gays themselves.
Bull! My gay friends weren't exposed to homosexuality when they were children. They came from hetero families, some from poor conservative rural backgrounds, some from strict military families, some from wealthy liberal families. They all did not have similar childhood experiences and quite a few of them weren't exposed to homosexuality till they were sexually aware, they had never known about it before.
That is how this disease spreads in the first place.
Please show me, prove to me how it's a disease. Because I think that's a homophobic comment right there.
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Peace Rumi,
Because I think that's a homophobic comment right there.
What do you think of this then (quoted from IronSky)
after a little research on these and many other similar books, did you notice that the author of "Dad, Pa, and me" is Mike Motz and Aldrich, who are jewish, "King and Kings" Stern Nijland book won the national jewish press award and is owned by Harper Collins Jane friedman, "Its OK to be different" is published by Time Warner which is owned by Norman Pearlman, "Mom and Mum" is published by second story press and is owned by Edgar Bronfman, and "We all sing with the same voice" is written by paul weisel who is jewish and published by Harper Collins also owned by Edgar Bronfman and Jane Friedman is CEO.I'd say there'll be a new homojewish conspiration theory invented right here on freeminds
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So he was being disengenuous then?
well attached to the definition for disingenuous is the term calculating. and he was privy to god's plan, and god is the best of planners
(i was going to say god is the best of calculators but i figured that would have the 19ers all hot and bothered)
therefore it doesn't seem far fetched to me in the slightest that someone privy to the planning of the best planner would himself be of the calculating type.
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Yeh yeh, the same old lame excuse
well, just bloody tell your children to be tolerant, not bloody lioe and deceive them?
and why bloody you want the children to be tolerent with the queers only?
where is teaching the tolerance regarding the uglys, the disabled, the fat, etc etc
sounds like you are one of those parents who should not have children from the first place
such a shame
PS you can buy all these books that are nothing but lies to your own children, dont bloody force it into oublic schools to polute my chidlren innocent minds
Thats your assumption that its own purpose is to be tolerant of gays only. However, i think its more easier to find tolerance of those kinds of people than with gays. Especially with parents and adults such as yourself who are continually spouting hate and condemnation of a whole group of people, that have done nothing evil to you or your family.
Where are your facts of gays ruining society?
I was born in a conservative, Baptist, Military family.... like the "gay disease" would reach me, not to mention that you are a bigot because u bring NO FACTS!
There are many things in this world that can hurt your children, but teaching your children to at least TOLERATE people who have a different belief system is not evil nor too much to ask. Plus it seems you are doing enough polluting your kids with hate and intolerance, maybe your own parenting skills should be questioned. Please go read the Quran and tell me where it is ok to go point out what YOU believe to be a sin, and then treat the people the way you do.
Also whats with the militant gay thing? My being is NOT centered on my sexuality, its centered on my relationship with Allah. I am always a muslim first, so thus what u think and judge is of no consequence to me
"O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors." (4911)
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Peace Rumi,
What do you think of this then (quoted from IronSky)
I'd say there'll be a new homojewish conspiration theory invented right here on freeminds
lkPeace Elke, thanks for drawing my attention to that quote. Yup new conspiracy theory right there, the jews are the problem once again.. & It easy to find scapegoats, it's much harder for being a little self critical and reflect on differences of ideas.
What can you say to this, it's their opinion. One thing I can say about Jewish people, they have been at the forefront of human civilization for sometime, some of the greatest findings and ideas of the 20th century, the scientific books we use today can be attributed to their free minds and creative thinking. These are a people who number only 15 million people spread around the globe, yet we owe most of the recent discoveries of humanity to them, so honestly, I really am not surprised that that the authors were Jewish (not that the faith of the author matters). They have come close to extermination in the holocaust, they have risen to win a world of respect for their knowledge and hard work, not through cries, complaints and suicide bombers. I digress, back to the topic, religiously speaking however, I would think that Rabbis and orthodox Jews would not look too kindly of these books, so I doubt it has anything to do with the Jewish faith, from my understanding of Judaism there's a lot of emphasis on the family unit.
Anyways, you wouldn't expect this from a Muslim author would you? He'd have a Fatwa for his arse, decreeing his death faster than you can say "tolerance and acceptance".
Why do people spout so much fear, paranoia and intolerance? The Jews and Homosexuals are like us, we are all children of Adam and Eve, we at least share this kinship of mankind. What people do with their life, what other people's beliefs are, they are not your concern!! If you expect people to be tolerant of your beliefs and faith, you should the very least accord the same tolerance to others, whoever they maybe, Jews, Homosexuals, Klingons.
Just my thoughts, let the condemnation of me as a jew and gay lover begin rotfl
Salams.