Modern Day Pork
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peace,
From PRL
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm= Ra-Jiim-Siin = state of commotion, confuse greatly, make a noise/sound, hinder/prevent, unclean/dirty/filthy, evil, something which is unlawful/forbidden, unbelief/infidelity/doubt.
rijs n.m. 590, 6125, 6145, 771, 995, 9125, 9125, 10100, 2230, 3333
LL, V3, p 203
Pig meat is described using the above, thus you could consider the quality of meat and/or the way its lives. Also, in 'al quran' it portrays the nature of the pig negatively (e.g. "be ye pigs and apes" comment), so you may also consider this angle.
Just some thoughts, nothing specific.
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Peace all,
We can also consider pork to be like the tree in the garden that adam and eve were forbidden to eat from. Maybe there was nothing wrong with the fruit from that tree, but it was forbidden by God to eat it. Whether there is something wrong with it or not... it is forbidden. Besides, there are so many other things to eat in the world, it should not be a problem to steer away from pork.
Pork is also forbidden in the second book of the bible... exodus. Once I asked a leader of the christian church I attended years ago about this... and I was told that the ban of pork was lifted by st. peter. Weird! How can a human lift a ban of God?
God bless.
dotty
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What WONDERFUL replies ! I thank you all most kindly !!!! Dotty I was also once a Christian and was taught that even Jesus made lawful things that were previously UNlawful! IMAGINE THAT! Well....I am deffinately 100% persuaded tonight...no more pork for me and I happen to LOVE lentils and legumes yay!!!!!! It's always so good when you have struggled with an issue and finally get a resolve. Also, thankyou for welcoming me into this community. I'm so impressed with this forum and tho I may do more reading than posting, I know I will learn so much here!
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Peace Suzanne and welcome,
Thank God you found peace with this issue. Everyone here is so helpful, with many issues, and I also read a lot more than I post.
When I accepted Islam I was living in Pakistan and of course there is no pork to be found there. By the time I came back to America, a year later, I found it easy to stay away from it.
I know brothers and sisters that took some time to leave pork after they accepted Islam. It's not right to criticize them because change is not easy for many people. The key is to try to do your best every day. God is forgiving, merciful!
By the way, I was raised christian and never found Islam until the age of 38.
God bless,
dotty
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From Lane Lexicon V2 Page 368 http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume2/00000368.pdf
The plural of Khanzir
also signifies A well-known
disease; (S ulcers, (K) or hard ulcers, (S,)
which arises in the neck (S,K) or ganglions,
or hard or nodous lumps beneath the skin, in the
neck, and in soft parts, such as the armpits; but
most frequently in the neck. (Mghl.)As mentioned about the plural of Khaznir refer to a glandular swelling disease in animals, I would like my bros/sis who know Arabic to comment wheather the singular khanzir could also have the same meaning?
Peace all, Hamsa
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I choose to avoid pork altogether because I believe God forbids it due to health reason. I dont buy it when people say that we should avoid pork because forbids it as a test without reason.
Peace,
Hello
What is the reason for fasting then?
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I choose to avoid pork altogether because I believe God forbids it due to health reason. I dont buy it when people say that we should avoid pork because forbids it as a test without reason.
There are other things we should not eat for health reasons, but they are not forbidden.
Peace,
dotty
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http//i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/Spartan156/Judisamandpigs.jpg D
I just found this picture in an email and thought it worked with the thread a little. -
Peace
Since everyone is in to food here I thought I clear a doubt on a similar subject.
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Yusuf Ali This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers but chaste women among the People of the Book revealed before your time when ye give them their due dowers and desire chastity not lewdness nor secret intrigues. If anyone rejects faith fruitless is his work and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).
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Transliteration Al yauma uhilla lakumut tayyiba_t(u), wa ta'a_mul lazina u_tul kita_ba hillul lakum, wa ta'a_mukum hillul lahum, wal muhsana_tu minal mu'mina_ti wal muhsana_tu minal lazina a_tul kita_ba min qablikum iza_a a_taitumuhunna uju_rahunna muhsinina gaira musa_fihina wa la_ muttakhizi akhda_n(in), wa may yakfur bil ima_ni fa qad habita 'amaluh(u_), wa huwa fil a _khirati minal kha_sirin(a).What does it mean by the part "food of people of the book is allowed".What is this food , is it meat or everything else?
Does this mean we can not eat food of mushrikeen and kafirs.
People of the book are further segregated as disbelievers and believers. Can we eat both of their food ?
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In my opinion? If it is the case then I believe one of the reasons for fasting is so that we know how it feels to be starved so we will feel encouraged to give to the poor.
According to this, the poor are not required to fast because they already know how it feels to be starved.
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In my opinion? If it is the case then I believe one of the reasons for fasting is so that we know how it feels to be starved so we will feel encouraged to give to the poor.
Thanks, but the poor people still drink water
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How about those poor people in the desert of Arabia where Al Quran was supposedly revealed in the first place?
Ok, good point
possibly they were drinking camel urine?
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People do not live anywhere if there is no water. They die.
In the desert they live around oasis.People die too without food so what is your point? Besides by pointing out the Arabian or Saharan desert Im not saying people there are living with no water because Im not as stupid as you may think, instead Im just saying that over there in some if not many places water is scarce. )
possibly they were drinking camel urine?
Maybe I dont know. According to hadith it is a good medicine right?
Anyway, I think in order to make my opinion a bit clearer regarding the purpose of fasting, instead of poor people I should have said that fasting encourages us to help people who are very hungry and thirsty whether they are poor people or just travelers.
Peace,
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This conversation is getting a bit silly, I think the main point is
Regardless of whether something like pork or fasting is good for us or not, pork has been forbidden by God, we hear and we obey - no questions asked.
I choose to avoid pork altogether because I believe God forbids it due to health reason. I dont buy it when people say that we should avoid pork because forbids it as a test without reason.
What I (and perhaps Ahmed) wish to know is, if you couldn't find a reason why you should follow a prohibition or requirement that God gives would you then disobey God? Or are you saying that you have found all the reasons of God's prohibitions or requirements and consequently follow all of God's laws?
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if you couldn't find a reason why you should follow a prohibition or requirement that God gives would you then disobey God? Or are you saying that you have found all the reasons of God's prohibitions or requirements and consequently follow all of God's laws?
It's not necessary that the latter would follow the former (as in finding the reasons and consequently following the laws), but I agree with what's implied. However on the flip side, some say that what is not understood or known shouldn't be followed until one can know or understand. I think the latter can be explained with a caveat try to verify to the best of one's ability with the given/current knowledge/reasoning etc, to understand/know (two schools here, those who think it shouldn't be followed in the meanwhile and those who think it should for avoidance of something unknown).
edit for clarity
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What I (and perhaps Ahmed) wish to know is, if you couldn't find a reason why you should follow a prohibition or requirement that God gives would you then disobey God? Or are you saying that you have found all the reasons of God's prohibitions or requirements and consequently follow all of God's laws?
I understand what you are saying. However, I personally always try my best to avoid blind following. Besides, I believe God promotes reasons so I dont think he would command us to do something which serve no beneficial purpose at all.
Peace,
