Abortion
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This is all the more reason NOT to have an abortion. A couple has already sinned gravely by committing this adultery or rape,
yeah sure, she must have been looking for it... just like the killer and the killed, both committed the crime, didn't they ?
having to bear an "unwanted" child should be the punishment of such stupid people who engage in incest,
when a young girl got raped by her father or uncle, which incest is often about, this stupid girl should be punished for sure, isn't that so yusha ?
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now yusha, don't get me wrong, i'm not pro abortion, even though i doubt of your ability to make the difference
elke
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yeah sure, she must have been looking for it... just like the killer and the killed, both committed the crime, didn't they ?
Comparing rape to killing is not plausible. In murder, most often than not, there is a perpetrator and a victim. Rape is a severe form of adultery, but it is adultery none the less. The woman is raped against her will, but she was still asking for it, otherwise she would not have been raped. Therefore, justice demands she also suffer the consequences for the rape, which is an abomination against the morality which Allah Taala has enjoined upon humanity
Soon will the wicked be overtaken by humiliation before Allah, and a severe punishment, for all their plots (6124)
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The woman is raped against her will, but she was still asking for it, otherwise she would not have been raped.
??? you even are able to contradict yourself in such a short sentence , absolutely incredible, and not even taking into consideration the abominations that you profer
Soon will the wicked be overtaken by humiliation before Allah, and a severe punishment, for all their plots (6124)
so you just take care...
lk
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The woman is raped against her will, but she was still asking for it, (6124)
Now you are giving us a new meaning for "against their will". I will never, from today, be angry or sad for those imprisoned in Guantanamo against their will, because they were asking for it.
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Peace,
incest
So punish the child for the faults of the parents?
rape
Punish the child for the crimes of an agressor?
lack of money
Ever hear of adoption?
abnormal fetus
Punishment for being different?
Nabi my view is not based on 'punishing' the child, IMO if woman in those situations does not want a child, we are punishing her.
But your not a woman so I wouldn't expect you to understand.
As for abnormal fetus, is it fair on the child?
I know if I was handicapped I would rather that my mother have aborted me.
The woman is raped against her will, but she was still asking for it, otherwise she would not have been raped.
I have never heard anything so dumb in my entire life!!! o o o (mods say something before I explode! >
KILL NOT YOUR CHILDREN FOR FEAR OF WANT WE SHALL PROVIDE SUSTENANCE FOR THEM AS WELL AS FOR YOU. VERILY, THE KILLING OF THEM IS A GREAT SIN. (1731)
why is Allah not providing for all the poor children around the world that don't even have access to clean water Yusha?
Nabi who's going to adopt millions of children?
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The woman is raped against her will, but she was still asking for it, otherwise she would not have been raped. Therefore, justice demands she also suffer the consequences for the rape, which is an abomination against the morality which Allah Taala has enjoined upon humanity
That is the most disgustingly, horribly, wrong, thing I have ever read in my life. None of this information is retrieved from the Quran. How you could believe in what you speak is completely beyond me.
No woman is ever "asking" to be raped. To punish her for someone elses horrible crime against her is inhuman.
You have assured me, more than ever, that Islam by Quran alone is the only correct path.
Nurd
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That is the most disgustingly, horribly, wrong, thing I have ever read in my life. None of this information is retrieved from the Quran. How you could believe in what you speak is completely beyond me.
No woman is ever "asking" to be raped. To punish her for someone elses horrible crime against her is inhuman.
You have assured me, more than ever, that Islam by Quran alone is the only correct path.
NurdWhile I agree with you but I would add that, some women do seduce others so in such situation the punishment to the rapist could not be the death panelty and ofcourse no punishment for the woman. Quran deals with the root cause. It is prohibited for women to show their figure in public but it also gives instructions to men
2430 Tell the believing men to lower their gaze, and guard their modesty. This helps them grow in character. Verily, Allah is Aware of what they do.
And for the women
2431 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze, and guard their modesty. That they should not display their beauty and ornament beyond what is decently and spontaneously apparent in daily lives. Hence, let them cover their bosoms with their sash (Dupatta, a light covering). And let them not display their beauty in the presence of anyone other than their husbands or fathers or husbands? fathers, or their sons or their husbands? sons, or their brothers, or their brothers? sons or sisters? sons, or their womenfolk, or their close dependents and attendants free of sexual desires. Or children who know nothing of women?s privacy; and they should not strike their feet so as to reveal their hidden beauty and ornaments. And, turn to Allah together, O Believers, in order that you may succeed (in establishing a benevolent society)
3359 O Prophet! Tell your wives, your daughters, and women of the believers that they should draw loose fitting garments over their person (when in public). This is easy and proper, so that they may be recognized and not bothered. Allah is Absolver of imperfections, Merciful.
We face such problems in our society, like rape and zina which are strictly prohibited, because we do not follow the laws God has made for us to follow. All the punishments mentioned in the Quran do not apply blindly but according to the situation.
peace
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Comparing rape to killing is not plausible. In murder, most often than not, there is a perpetrator and a victim. Rape is a severe form of adultery, but it is adultery none the less. The woman is raped against her will, but she was still asking for it, otherwise she would not have been raped. Therefore, justice demands she also suffer the consequences for the rape, which is an abomination against the morality which Allah Taala has enjoined upon humanity
Oh my God, Im beginning to feel that it seems Yusha is playing with us. If that is really true then I guess good job we all have been had. And if it is not true then all I could say is 'What the ****!?!'
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Rape is a severe form of adultery, but it is adultery none the less. The woman is raped against her will, but she was still asking for it, otherwise she would not have been raped.
That's a disturbing comment! Women don't ask to be raped, rape is involuntary, it's a violation, rape is sex against ones will with physical force to subdue the victim! To say that someone was actually asking for it, asking to be raped, well that's a contradiction of terms, it means its not a violation, its not involuntary, it's not rape then. People who have been raped have no choice in the matter, if you have ever known anyone who has been raped you would know this!!
As a hypothetical example, If tomorrow god forbid, a pervert pinned your mother down, forcibly had sex with her, It would be your mom's fault, because your mom was asking to be raped? Do I understand you correctly???
Rumi
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Oh my God, Im beginning to feel that it seems Yusha is playing with us.
It seems that way does it not? Hard to believe but like Elke said, this type of thinking is pretty prevalent in some places unfortunately. What really annoys me is the way refutations are ignored and countered by flimsy excuses, not to mention unevidenced comments that are quite frankly very disturbing.
The woman is raped against her will, but she was still asking for it, otherwise she would not have been raped. Therefore, justice demands she also suffer the consequences for the rape, which is an abomination against the morality which Allah Taala has enjoined upon humanity
Many have already addressed this. I'm amazed and disgusted.
If you are biologically able to get pregnant and bear a child, then you are not too "young" or "immature", but the way Western society is, 13 and 14 year olds are still treated like "children", whereas in a normal society (i.e. an Islamic society) they should be treated as adults and have the same responsibilities as adults.
I find it hard to believe how anyone can consider them to have the same responsibilities as adults, physical maturity does not equal mental maturity. To make an unevidenced comment that in an "Islamic society" they should be the same as adults is just the same as many other statements coming from the same poster...unevidenced and illogical, not to mention NOT what the quran says.
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I can see this is a sensitive topic, and I did not foresee it would cause so much controversy. But what I mean is that in the case of rape, the woman is not being voluntary, yet the fact that she is being raped is due to her being dressed immodestly, or being out in public by herself. In Islam, when a woman is out in public, she is to be accompanied by a non-mahram male, such as her father or brother, or otherwise her husband. Woman should also not be out in public too much.
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof (2431)
So she should know better, and if she is raped, than in a sense she was "asking for it". Just like if you drive recklessly, though you do not intend to get into an accident, if or when you do, obviously you were "asking for it". So as far as I am concerned, if Islam was the law of the land, rape would not be a problem at all, it would be non-existent.
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Peace bros/sis
To say every rape is asked by a woman is completely wrong and disturbing, I agree with all of you. But there are situations where it all starts by mutual consent but ends with rape. So in such situations both are guilty.
I dont know why Yusha has made such a strange statement. He should clarify his point here.
peace
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Of course, if a woman is in a bikini, even though the guy is supposed to lower his gaze and walk on, she was wrong to "turn him on". This reminds me of the whole women should not pray in front of men because they get turned on... -. A man commited RAPE but that's just mitigating circumstances because the woman is dressed immodestly.
But what I mean is that in the case of rape, the woman is not being voluntary, yet the fact that she is being raped is due to her being dressed immodestly, or being out in public by herself. In Islam, when a woman is out in public, she is to be accompanied by a non-mahram male, such as her father or brother, or otherwise her husband. Woman should also not be out in public too much.
What if the mahram male is shot by these guys while taking her to the hospital and then she gets raped. Asking for it? Better cage the women up.
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While I agree with you but I would add that, some women do seduce others so in such situation the punishment to the rapist could not be the death panelty
another sick comment
A woman can walk round stark naked and man has no right to rape her
infact any man with a view like 'well she should not dress that way if she does not want to be raped' should have his penis chopped off! >
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Salam Yusha,
Victims of rape range from babies to elderly women, dressed sexily to the very conservative dress code...not to forget male victims..
See from this point of view... Yusha is wearing his ipod and hangs his cell phone on his waist. A robber comes and steals it.. Who's at wrong here? Now, what if Yusha keeps his iPod and cellphone from the public view, a robber comes and steal it.. who's fault here?
The victim is never to be blamed fo a crime commited by someone else.
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Peace Angel
But your not a woman so I wouldn't expect you to understand.
You're such a diplomat for male to female relations. I guess you'll never understand your man as he'll never understand you. So any of your relationships with someone of the opposite sex will be one based on ignorance of who that person is. I probably will never understand another person's pain in any situation they have, even though the event may be similar, so I'm sure I will not understand what a woman feels when she gives birth, emotionally and physically. I think some things one should except and make the best of the situation. If the child is concieved in a manner that is totally disgusting, I'm not sure if aborting that child is the thing to do because that child is an INDIVIDUAL even though there is alot of dependence on its guardian.
As for abnormal fetus, is it fair on the child?
It is sometimes a complicated issue. I can show you how complicated it can be from personal experience. I am diabetic and I'd rather have not been born due to the fact. It is a disease that runs in families. Do you think it was fair that I was born and now have to live my life constantly checking my blood, and taking insulin? I have a cousin who was born with a muscular problem so he has trouble walking, should he have been killed because of this problem of his? He seems to enjoy life insofar as I am aware. Should I tell him it is not fair that he was born this way? What is not FAIR in my opinion is ignoring the needs of people who have certain NEEDS such as ramps in schools and in the streets for people with wheelchairs, etc. There are all types of movements with disabled people who do not seem to think it unfair that they were born, but rather it is UNFAIR the way they are treated or viewed by outsiders, such as YOURSELF who see their situation of being here as UNFAIR which I think is a total misunderstanding on your part. There is a community of deaf people who lived on a particular island where the language was sign language and the odd man out was the one who could not speak sign language, not the person who could not hear. Should all those people in the deaf community not have been born because it is unfair? To whom? If they do not see it as unfair that they are living here in a world where people generally have all 5 senses to some extent what gives you the right to deem them unfair in being here? The individual should determine if their situation is unfair in my opinion, and they usually do.
Joe
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Peace Joe,
There is a community of deaf people who lived on a particular island where the language was sign language and the odd man out was the one who could not speak sign language, not the person who could not hear.
That's very interesting, which island was it?
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another sick comment
A woman can walk round stark naked and man has no right to rape her
infact any man with a view like 'well she should not dress that way if she does not want to be raped' should have his penis chopped off! >
NONONONONO Please, I take my words back! &
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a bloke with such a view is disturbing, it reveals something sinister about him, like he can't control himself, and the fact that he has sympathy for people that refuse to control themselves is beyond sick, so basically your just as sick as the rapist. IMO saying that dress code matters is just as bad as saying 'pedophiles are not to blame for their behavior coz kids are so cute'.