question about Al-Fatiha
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Salam Wakas,
Furthermore, I do not believe there is only one root = one unique meaning. Having reviewed several hundred roots in a fair amount of detail for PRL, I do not see this thinking as valid at all.
I agree that a root can have several meanings but they all center around the same main idea usually. And I try to stick to the purest definition of the root which limits the differences in the definitions. I also like to study the history of the word in the semitic languages to discover a richer meaning of the word. I try to stay away from evolved meanings in Arabic.
Salam,
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peace
i have a question about al-fatiha
what is the correct way to translate 12 Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameenais it "Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds"?
or "All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds"?
or "You, Allah, the Lord of the Worlds, we praise"?"All praise is due to Allah, the Robb of the universe.
Robb is the only Creator, Rules and Laws Maker, Controller, Giving Knowlegdes
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unseen doesn't mean unknown... unless you either don't know about the wind or have seen the wind.
look at it this way... either it is speakin towards god being the lord of everything we know, which would mean he is the lord of everything we encounter as our knowledge expands... or god is the lord of everything god knows
you're welcome to come up with a better meaning that utilises the meaning of the root 'lm as opposed to "lord of the universe" or "lord of the creation" but that's what i have for now )
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Peace all,
"Rabb" is sustainer/nourisher which implies a material subject which needs to be sustained or nourished. All knowledge is already possessed by The God; He does not have to sustain or nourish it. Sustainer/nourisher of all beings/creation makes more sense, because beings/creation need to be nourished and sustained.
The primary significance of "rabb" is "bringing a thing to a state of completion by degrees", which implies an evolving process. The God already has and always had all knowledge in its entirety, and He does not need to bring it to a state of completion by degrees, which would imply an imperfect God to start with.
One can say that "rabb" can also mean "owner/master" but that is not its primary meaning.
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peace Tanveer, all,
Nice pick up on the "rabb" implication. I have "AAalameena" as creations/beings. Contrary to what some might think, this meaning is perfectly in coherence with the core theme of the root. The following is a quote from PRL (emphasis mine)
Ayn-Lam-Miim = to mark/sign/distinguish, creations/beings, world, science/learning/knowledge/information, aware/know. By means of which one knows a thing, hence it signifies world or creation, because by it the Creator is known. alim (pl. ulama) - one who is learned/wise or knows.
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
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tanveer perhaps god is bringing the knowledge to completion in degrees for us, and it has nothing to do with what god knows, but what god reveals to us as knowledge.
if that implies an imperfect god for you then i can't really help what it implies for you, that's something you have to answer for... suddenly bringing up some sort of implication of imperfection... is that the first thing you see? or is it merely an argument to try and dissuade from thinking different than your own, by stating that those who think thusly are implying imperfection?
thanks wakas i will consider what you said... but does it literally mean creation, or does it mean creation by way of relation, ie because creation is that by which we come to know then creation is related to the root... does the root truly hold this meaning? i don't know... anyways at least you said somethin when you saw somethin goin on and contributed... thanks!
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Found it
2623-24
Transliteration Qala firAAawnu wama rabbu alAAalameena
Literal Pharaoh said "And what (is) the creations all together's/(universes' Lord?"
Free-Minds Pharaoh said "And what is the Lord of the worlds?"Transliteration Qala rabbu alssamawati waal-ardi wama baynahuma in kuntum mooqineena
Literal He (Moses) said "Lord (of) the skies/space and the earth/Planet Earth, and what (is) between them (B), if youwere sure/certain."
Free-Minds He said "The Lord of the heavens and the Earth and all that is between them, if you are aware." -
so is that answering what is 'alamiyn or saying that rabb al 'alamiyn is the same thing as the rabb of all the other stuff?
i don't know, nothin to make too big of an issue of considering all the other translations that need to be fixed hahaha
thanks for the posts wakas
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As-Salaamu Alaikum all,
Nice thread. I like both translations. Lord of all the worlds/creations/knowledge/systems of knowledge, etc. Please excuse me for adding some of my own words that are not direct translations, but I am trying to emphasize the expansiveness of the word all together. I think sometimes we feel that a word or ayat from Al Quran has to mean only one thing, but when we all think about it; most of us will agree that many if not most of the ayaat have more than one meaning. Usually a physical connection and a spiritual connection. Allah knows best. Hope that this adds something beneficial, insha Allah.
As-Salaamu Alaikum, peace
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When Allah claims Himself as Robb, people are still seeking their own robb, then such people fighting against Allah as Robb eventhough they read Al Fathehah 17 times a day.
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peace
can i just ask one more thing about al fatiha?
if praying alone and while saying the fatiha, is it alright to change certain words like instead of "You alone we serve" to say "You alone i serve"
and instead of "guide us to the straight path" to say "guide me to the straight path"? -
peace
can i just ask one more thing about al fatiha?
if praying alone and while saying the fatiha, is it alright to change certain words like instead of "You alone we serve" to say "You alone i serve"
and instead of "guide us to the straight path" to say "guide me to the straight path"?I take "praying" as "salaat"
And why don't you want to include the others with you?
I do not think it is alright, even if you were praying in a foreign language. It is like suggesting that your wordings are more appropriate than God's.
But if you mean praye as in "du3aa"
You can borrow parts of al-fatiha or from any other chapter that you find adequate to what you are asking -
peace
can i just ask one more thing about al fatiha?
if praying alone and while saying the fatiha, is it alright to change certain words like instead of "You alone we serve" to say "You alone i serve"
and instead of "guide us to the straight path" to say "guide me to the straight path"?If you pray other than original text, those are not God's kalimaat (words), so it doesn't matter if you replace an english word with other, they are all invalid.
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If you pray other than original text, those are not God's kalimaat (words), so it doesn't matter if you replace an english word with other, they are all invalid.
He is not replacing words, he is changing the meaning.
I also remember nerspi saying somewhere he does not know arabic and he is working on that. Until then, he says, he will perform salaat in a foreign language. So, you still think he better not perform salaat because it is invalid? How do you know it is invalid?
