Allah? really a name?was it?
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Just for info of what i believe.
The most important of the descriptions of the His bond/ relationship/ persistence He has shown us to uphold- to apply, which is described througout the quran- i think.
Rahman = Love and Mercy without regard to effort and asking.
Rahim = Dispensing of Grace and love as a result of deeds and supplications.
Malik = Observing God?s described relationship/ persistence as absolute king.
Quddus = to oppose all evil, replete with positive good.
Salaam = to create safety, security prosperity and good health.
Mu?min = to protect those who seek refuge with His clear persistence.
Muhaymin = to watch and determine what is true and what is false witness.
Aziz = to strengthen His recommended clear persistence.
Jabbar = to complete that which is incomplete.
Mutakabbir = to be stiff/ upright in using His zest.
Khaliq = one who determines.
Bari = he who creates things.
Khaliq = he who forms good behaviour.
Musawwir = one who designs things.
Ghaffar = he who protects from committing of sins and faults.
Qahhar = one who subdues wrong and restores right.
Wahhab = one who bestows as a gift.
Razzaq = he who supplies.
Fattah = he who opens the solution to a problem and eliminates the obstacle.
Alim = one who knows and knowledge being a permanent feature of his personality.
Qabid = one who constricts.
Basit = one who expands, stretches out.
Khafid = one who lowers his wing to be humble.
Rafi? = one who exalts raises in dignity.
Mu?izz = he who gives might.Muzill = he who lowers himself, becomes more humble and degrades, abases one.
Sami = one who listens.
Basir = one who understands.
Hakam = he who judges and provides what is due.
?Adl = one who is just.
Latif = he who knows the delicate meanings of things. He who creates things most subtly, and he who gives blessings to people most subtly.
Khabir = he who knows of deeds actions or work of others.
Halim = one who is forbearing.
?Azim = one above imperfections.
Shakur = he who is grateful and gives rewards for deeds done for him.
?Ali = one who has an Eminent position.
Kabir = one who is chief.
Hafiz = he who preserves things from misfortune and calamity.
Muqit = one who nourishes, sustains, controls.
Hasib = he who knows the account of things people do.
Jalil = one who has wealth, dominion and is holy.
Karim = He who is generous.
Raqib = He who observes and keeps control.
Mujib = one who responds to need.
Wasi = one who has limitless capacity and abundance.
Hakim = he who has wisdom in all orders and actions.
Wadud = he who loves those who do good.
Majid = he who is magnificent.
Ba?ith = he who gives life to the spiritually dead/ depressed/ sad.
Shahid = he who observes and witnesses.Haqq = he who is justified.
Wakil = he who provides means to solve problems the best way.
Qawi = he who is vigorous/ strong.
Matin = one who is firm/ sure/ steadfast.
Wali = he who is friend of those righteous.
Hamid = one worthy of approval.
Muhsi = one who takes an account/ reckons.
Mubdi = one who originates ? creates a new product, contrives a new thing, does first.
Mu?id = he who restores.
Muhyi = he who gives life/ good cheer and health.
Mumit = one who causes the death ? of evil.
Hayy = one who has qualities of modesty and shamefulness.
Qayyum = one who is self-sufficient.
Wajid = one who can find what he wants in the time he desires.
Majid = one who is illustrious.
Wahid = one who follows just one type of relationship- that according to the attributes.
Samad = one who sets up the one type of relationship to fulfil needs and remove troubles.
Qadir = one who has the power to do anything in the way he wants.
Muqaddim = one who sets precedence.
Mu?akhkhir = one who has the power to delay.
Awwal = the first.
Akhir = the last.
Zahir = Ascendant over all.
Batin = the heart of the matter.
Wali = he who directs, manages, conducts, governs, measures, plans actions which happen.
Barr = he who is tolerant and good.
Tawwab = he who accepts repentance.
Muntaqim = he who punishes the wrongdoers.
Afuw = he who pardons all who repent sincerely.
Rauf = one who compassionate.
Muqsit = he who does his work accordingly and in a balanced way.
Jame = he who collects things, gathers them.
Ghani = he who is self-sufficient.
Mugni = one who enriches.
Mani = one who prevents.
Nafi = one who creates things which provide goodness and benefit.
Darr = one who creates that makes one despondent.
Nur = he who provides divine light to people minds and hearts.
Hadi = he who guides to do things beneficial to others.
Badi = he who creates without any design.
Baqi = lasting, enduring.
Warith = one who is the inheritor- who gets the ownership.
Rashid = one who is the guide, with wisdom, to the right path.
Sabur = one who patiently perseveres.
God Bless All of us.
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Peace,
When discussing Yahweh and Elohim and other such names of God. You have to understand that you are discussing the etymology of these names.
These names were originally descriptions and became names. We all know here that allaahu came from al-ilaahu and became allaahu due to elision as it evolved into a name. Just like you will find that yahweh and Jahova are not used by Jews and Christians not in their original sense. You will find that if you break down these names they do not exacly split into different words they rather blend, and we can just see where they came from. The same is with Allaahu. It comes from the god as in (the only god or the best god) and that is why we have the name Allaah for God now in Arabic. That is why some here choose to say the god instead of God. Not realizing the God is also a name which derived from the word a god or the god.Godbless,
Anwar -
Peace,
When discussing Yahweh and Elohim and other such names of God. You have to understand that you are discussing the etymology of these names.
These names were originally descriptions and became names. We all know here that allaahu came from al-ilaahu and became allaahu due to elision as it evolved into a name. Just like you will find that yahweh and Jahova are not used by Jews and Christians not in their original sense. You will find that if you break down these names they do not exacly split into different words they rather blend, and we can just see where they came from. The same is with Allaahu. It comes from the god as in (the only god or the best god) and that is why we have the name Allaah for God now in Arabic. That is why some here choose to say the god instead of God. Not realizing the God is also a name which derived from the word a god or the god.Godbless,
AnwarSorry Anwar,
i believe you are wrong on this, regarding His bond.
i am sure there will be other forth coming info regarding this issue.
Thanks though Br.
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Peace,
That's fine. You are entitled to your opinion. However, one last question. How do you compensate for the alif after the two written lams in Allaahu, or the shadda'd lam which would make the number of prononounced lams actually 3 lams? Al-illu only has two lams(no shaddah or over them at all) and no alif after these lams. And furthermore how do you compensate for the difference between Ill and All in the first part of the word. How do you explain these differences between the two words?
Godbless,
Anwar -
Peace,
Elke says
as far as i know Arabic was not a written language (i mean with fixed grammatical rules aso) at the time of revelation quran and think that,as mz says, the grammar was derived FROM quran.
Lady Elke,
No, no no. All languages have fixed grammatical rules(even broken languages, pidgins and creoles). Grammatical rules are what make language intelligible. To the contrary there were no books on this nor people who studied how they used their langauge in order to put it into book form or teach it to foreigners. (if the studied it they studied it they mocked it from the mouths of the eloquent only).
The grammar was not derived from the Quran. Rather the grammar was confirmed through the Quran (among other sources) being a rigid unchanging source of the language to cofirm with.
MSA grammar (which unfortunately is also called fushaa) doesn't follow all of the grammatical patterns of true fushaa seen in the Quran and the hadeeth and other old sources. Modern Arabs (and other peoples who speak dialects of grander formal languages) tend to think that thier colloquials don't have grammar (because they don't concentrate on how they say what they say or why, they just say it). So it is a fallacy for someone to think that just because Fushaa 2000 years ago was a commonly spoken langauge that it didn't have grammar, and that that grammar had to be constructed. No. The fixing of grammar is correctly the fixing of all usages of a current language, recording it and sticking to it as a standard of expression. Sometimes grammar is reduced to make a standard language (like in the case of MSA). At the same time that language can keep evolving on the level of the street (if in contact with many other different languages and new events). It can evolve on the street very drastically and yet stay relatively the same in the classroom. If the dialect evolves drastically you get situations like you have in the Middle East and the Carribean, and the portugues African islands. Where the standard English(being derived from an older more wide used dialect of English), Portuguese and Arabic are used side by side with the colloquial dialects(educated speakers are able to switch back and forth at will). And the speakers of these dialects always say that their language doesn't have rules. Which is ridiculous. Yet epidemic.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Br Anwar,
How do you compensate for the alif after the two written lams in Allaahu, or the shadda'd lam which would make the number of prononounced lams actually 3 lams? Al-illu only has two lams(no shaddah or over them at all) and no alif after these lams. And furthermore how do you compensate for the difference between Ill and All in the first part of the word. How do you explain these differences between the two words?
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you can't show me these things in the oldest qurans or can you?
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Salaam Elke, Anwar...All
I do not think grammar was derived from the qur'aan nor confirmed by it. Arabic grammar as we were taught is more complicted than that of the qur'aan. Example is the dual rule, which is hardly recognized in the qur'aan, or the definition of plurals as human and non human. And most important the existance in the qur'aan of the specific feminine, contrary to linguistics rules of all languages, including Arabic.
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Allah is not an actual name of the Lord of our creations but capitalized from constricting "al" (the) and "illah" (god) to become Allah (The God), emphasizing the magnanimity of a Creator of the worlds via the figment of our imagination. It is relevant to one's thought process and significant to our moral, ethical and spiritual values as dictated by signs of circumstance and nature, without which man would remain savage.
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Salaams genteel,
try to put "the God"
in these sentances and see- does it make sense.
We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of Allah. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked Allah's forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
We have sent down to thee the Book in truth, that thou mightest judge between men, as guided by Allah so be not (used) as an advocate by those who betray their trust;
No its not the God - i think.
God Bless.
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Peace mz,
I'm not sure if I'm understanding your point and would appreciate if you could elaborate a little. Thanks.
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Salaams Br,
you sugested
We have sent down to thee the Book in truth, that thou mightest judge between men, as guided by THE GOD so be not (used) as an advocate by those who betray their trust;
Other sugestion
We have sent down to thee the Book in truth, that thou mightest judge between men, as guided by Their bond so be not (used) as an advocate by those who betray their trust;
This is what am making of it - but need a little more investigatio'n.
Looks as though you haven't read the thread - might be helpful.
Alla-Hi = Bond-His/Her/Their.
I think.
Salaams.
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Alla-Hi = Bond-His/Her/Their.
Hmmm, mz, this is news for me and not sure what to make out of this but seems quite far-fetched and disarrayed. In that verse, it is allahu and not allahi and to mean "(his/her/their) bond" as suggested by you does not sit well throughout the Quran. Just some thoughts!
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Hmmm, mz, this is news for me and not sure what to make out of this but seems quite far-fetched and disarrayed. In that verse, it is allahu and not allahi and to mean "(his/her/their) bond" as suggested by you does not sit well throughout the Quran. Just some thoughts!
Yes it is far-fetched as you say - but so-sorry that it is making more sense in certain verses then previously.
but thats all for now.
God's Blessings on you.
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Peace progod
So it is a fallacy for someone to think that just because Fushaa 2000 years ago was a commonly spoken langauge that it didn't have grammar, and that that grammar had to be constructed. No. The fixing of grammar is correctly the fixing of all usages of a current language, recording it and sticking to it as a standard of expression.
I agree with the above. Grammar exists, but it evolves. What i meant was that the rules had not been "officially" fixed and that the quranic language has been the starting point for some of this "writing" down of grammatical rules.
...and thank you for making me a noble... don't know if i deserve it though
lk
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Peace,
yeah anwar... wasn't there a time for many of us that islam without hadith was far fetched? now look at us P
Aaron, what are you talking about? nope My post didn't have anything do to with anything being far-fetched. Are you that eager to respond to me or was this just a simple mistake?
That was actually Genteels post
Alla-Hi = Bond-His/Her/Their.
Hmmm, mz, this is news for me and not sure what to make out of this but seems quite far-fetched and disarrayed. In that verse, it is allahu and not allahi and to mean "(his/her/their) bond" as suggested by you does not sit well throughout the Quran. Just some thoughts!And what's up with teh sticking your tongue at me for like the last 5 posts? yuck ;D
Lastly,
To Mz. Your ideas are based off of the Quran not using vowels or other written indicators for pronunciation in the past.
Like I've always maintained the Quran was mainly preserved orally and the old Arabic scripts were highly deficient scripts that could not determine the difference between a z and a r, a dhaw and a taww, a dhal and a dal, a qaf and a fa or a seen and a sheen let alone be efficient in how to write vowels. So if your basing your ideas off of old Quranic texts, don't count me in. The same word Ill is written in other places in the Quran without writing two lams. The Quran is a conglomeration of spelling conventions that often tried to take into account the origin of the words, through spelling. If we see the word izdilaaf and many other words whose pronunciation dramatically changes due to certain forms are written that way and then given signs like the shaddah to indicate that the word is elided, etc.Again, do what you will. However, the basis of your idea from which you've derived this one is wrong and inconsistent with the use of letters in the Quran, particularly the word ill.
Gobless,
Anwar -
Salaams Anwar,
Like I've always maintained the Quran was mainly preserved orally and the old Arabic scripts were highly deficient scripts that could not determine the difference between a z and a r, a dhaw and a taww, a dhal and a dal, a qaf and a fa or a seen and a sheen let alone be efficient in how to write vowe
No knowledge is ever preserved orally, and that is why written method for preserving is utilised - and that is why the quran has been preserved because it was written down - i think.
There isn't a single school on the face of the planet where the quran is passed orally but it will be memorised from a written copy.
I do think these shaddah's might have something to do with the mistrans as well as they where added years after the written qurans.
Thanks.