Huuuuge Problem about sexuality!
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i think if you're seeking out muscled guys maybe you might like guys... it might be that you like guys and girls, but it seems you like guys for sure... so do you have a problem with it because it's not what you want, or because you think your society has a problem with it? investigate
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Peace,
Listen I know we live in a modern world and many of us aspire to live in a world that tolerates all sorts of non-aggressive behavior no matter how immoral it is. However, let me say first that aberrant sexual behavior, in this case homosexual sex is a sin. Sin is the root of all evils in our lives and it hampers our growth spiritually. Let's follow the Quran here. If you don't follow the Quran well that is on you, however the Quran spells out in the story of Lot how sexual acts with those who aren't our mates (zawj) is a sin and faahishatun, meaning abominable behavior. I believe people have the choice to follow the right path or not in this world, but let's not make the mistake of endorsing or supporting homosexual behavior. Righteousness is often times soemthing we have to aspire to and can be contrary to what our society says is okay, and what society says can be engrained in our minds. On that same token, consentual incest, heterosexual sex out of the bounds of engagement and marriage, and many other acts are also sins, although our society might declare it okay as long as it is ""safe." But let's take this safenss beyond this world. That is what taqwaa is about. It is absolute prudence which takes into consideration this world and the next. There are many sins that you can commit "safely" not exposing yourself to immediate danger, however true prudence takes into account God's wrath as well. You may not catch an STD having "safe" heterosexual or homosexual sex but you are sacrificing your spiritual and life growth when you choose to disobey God and you put yourself in danger in the next life. Coming from the Quran homosexuality in the most extreme case can be a result of mental aberration, however if it is a choice or a habit or something that someone justifies then it is sin.
I can't stress enough that sin leads us down the wrong road even in our earthly lives. We have to look at the growth and success of our souls as well, not just our earthly bodies. Doing what pleases us as long as it doesn't hurt others is the wrong attitude. We have to do what pleases God.
Personally I am not one of those people who thinks that homosexuality is an abberation of nature. I think that in social animals it developed to create and maintain relationships, the same as it does between men and women. Remember sex in social animals has more function than just procreation. However, God is leading us to the best ways to live in this life and in following Him we also lead ourselves to true life in the next life. We can eat "safe" pork and never get sick, but is this why we don't eat pork? We don't eat pork (or any other animal that i forbidden) because we understand that this is what God wants of us (if we have come to believe that the Quran is from God). God knows why he doesn't want us to eat pork, have homosexual sex, or heterosexual sex out of the bounds of marriage and engagement, even if we can't see any earthly benefits for us in our lives. In the very least if we do believe that the Quran is from God then we know that disobeying God leads us down a bad path spiritually that has manifestations in this life and serious consequences in the next one.
Sinning against God is never worth it. If you question whether something is a sin or not, refer it to the Quran because sometimes we have false ideas of what is a sin or not. However, what we know to be sin we should stay away from, remember that God guides our lives and if we disobey him we stunt the development of our spirits and souls in this life and in the next. The experience that you gain from consciously sinning will not outway the negative effects on your growth. How can we dare to think that we know what is better for us than God Himself. Let's get serious, and use our brains here.
Godbless,
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Salaam all,
So straight means bisexual?
ok so you know, i used to be afraid of the dark. That was before i always think of God when i was afraid. I think of God when i feel something bad, then the feeling goes away.
Think about God when you got the urges. It will help.
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Peace,
No, straight means heterosexual (men like women and women like men). Bisexual means you like both men and women sexually. And Homosexual well, we all know. Bisexuals engage in both hetersexual and homosexual sexual activities and homosexuals just like same gender sexual activity. Most people who are called or go by the name homosexuals are actually bisexuals, from what I've seen.
Godbless,
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He was being sarcastic, I think.
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AhmedBigot, now that's a good one. rotfl
If there is no punishment for homosexuality in the Quran, then it should be left to God, and God alone. Just as with apostacy.
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Peace,
Angel and Lot. I suggest both of you study the story of Lot in the Quran. If you can't accept the facts there then you should understand then that you guys don't really believe in the book. Maybe you guys beleive in making a reformist, modernized form of Islam and accept the Quran because you see it as more tolerant. However, the Quarn definitely outlines through this story that homosexuality is immoral. Just because it doesn't hurt someone else doesn't mean it is moral.
There are also other parts in the Quran like where it mentions when two believers commit faahishat. There also another part of the Quran that allows for mental abberation as a justification, but in no way says it is okay.
Godbless,
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Peace,
Because morality in addition to just dealing with the prevention of physical harm also deals with spiritual harm. There are things that we can do that hurt no-one else but that corrode our spirits, our relationships, our minds and our bond with God. When you go out and have safe sex with alot of guys, or if I do that with girls, the first thing that happens is that I weaken my relationship with God by opposing him thinking that he is wrong and I can do what I want, not hurt anyone and still be righteous. Remember God knows best. So firstly you are actively disobeying God and doubting his wisdom because you can't see any immediate harm for you or others. Secondly the only way you can realize why this is wrong is to do it and be actively analytical and watch what happens in your life or study it second hand. In my opinion it is never worth sinning, you can recover if you repent but it will regress you in a way that you will not realize until you begin to turn around from that sin, and understand the spiritual matrix that is also around you in this world and how by disobeying the true essence, controller and core of that matrix (God almighty) you really put yourself on the losing side.
So you go out and do what you want to do and have to learn the hard way how it is that this negatively affects you spiritually, mentally and/or physically. As I said eating pork won't hurt you either if you do it safely but there is more to eating the meat of this animal than just our physical health, there is something to eating the meat of this animal that damages us in some way that we don't yet realize, however the most grave damage we do to ourselves is doubting the wisdom of God, especially if we have come to know Him with our minds and know that He is real, and also through study have accepted his words. The answer for the true nature of how this could harm us could lie in any corner and it could be physical or spiritual.
Or maybe it is a rule that God puts to us to strengthen our spirit to worship, serve and sacrifice to him even when we have the choice not to. People who have sex with all sorts of partners "safely" and who eat pig meat and consume of many other things that are forbidden in the Quran that might not be harmful if done safely, look at their lives, get to know people like that if you don't know and think on how their lives are and how prepared they might be for the day of judgement.
I believe that much of what we are told not to do in the Quran can be done in a "safe" manner, however it will decrease the quality of our lives in material and spiritual matter. Remember God knows best what is best for us. You could have safe incest as well (using a condom or birth control, etc.) however we do not fully realize the spiritual, mental or even physical harm that could be done by doing these "harmless" sins. They are sins for reasons, folks and we should stay clear of them for our own good in this life and the next.
Godbless,
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Peace Anwar,
For me, that verse in Quran meant Lust, not necessarily homosexuality per se. Like when they wanted to have sex with the messengers of God that went to Lot, it was lustful.
But I agree, be it homosexual or not, sex just because is wrong.
Wa Salaam
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peace Anwar,
Because morality in addition to just dealing with the prevention of physical harm also deals with spiritual harm. There are things that we can do that hurt no-one else but that corrode our spirits, our relationships, our minds and our bond with God. When you go out and have safe sex with alot of guys, or if I do that with girls, the first thing that happens is that I weaken my relationship with God by opposing him thinking that he is wrong and I can do what I want, not hurt anyone and still be righteous.
Sorry, I don't believe that god would forbid things which do no harm.
It is harmful to have sex just for the sake of sex and it's wrong.
I don't believe that we are weakening any bonds with god or corroding our spirits if we do harmless things. -
Peace,
amuslim,
Firstly those verses make it clear that it is wrong for men to fulfill their sexual desires with other men. Period. Is it wrong to lust after your wife? Of course not, within the bounds of marriage and/or engagement(the promise of marriage) you can lust after your partner all you want and have sex just to have sex. Sex is not a sin. That is within the bounds of God. Remeber where the Quran says "Come to them (your wives) wherever and however you would like."? So lust is not wrong. What is wrong is to lust after what you have no right to lust after, i.e. women you have no promise of marriage with (for men and the opposite for women), men lusting after men and women after women, and brothers with sisters, children with parents(includes grandparents), nephews and nieces with uncles and aunts is all faahishatun. Those verses about Lot, specifically point out the sin in men taking out their shahwatun (lust) on other men, and then make it clear that we are to have sex with our zawj, our mates, and the Quran makes it clear that man is woman's mate and vice-versa, not the other way around. You cannot justify homosexuality through the Quran. No one says that you should go kill them or punish them if they do not follow the Quran, however again homosexuality is not compatible with the Quran and should be abandoned or totally avoided by those who follow the Quran. And that is according to the Quran. Read and study, I considered this topic before and consulted the Quran on these issues. The Quran is pretty clear about this.
Lobster,
I guess you didn't really understand my point. The first one is
- How do you know what is harmful to you more than GOD knows?
The second is
- God is always working for your betterment, even if you don't always understand how at the moment.
The last is
3. If God puts a rule to you to follow, it can be to give you something to fulfill your faith in Him in which case once that rule is set it is to your disadvantage to disobey God.The overall point is God knows what is better for you more than you do.
If you really doubt the wisdom of God on this, then go out and eat all the pig meat you want, eat animals that fall on their own and die or die from a blow, go drink blood from a healthy cow that you know has no diseases (the Masai do it all the time). Go on, it can be shown that you can do these things and it will not harm you any way. But would you dare to disobey God because you think that you know better than him? Would you dare to rely on what society says is okay but what God says is not okay? You can go hoard up wealth to and give only to make sure that people don't curse you, or do you believe in charity because you grew up with that sweet line that society gives us "It is better to give than recieve." Why do you do what you do? Why do you follow the Quran for your earthly life or for society or for God? Do you not trust that he knows better? In the end it comes down to trust. You can prove the source(with your mind and logic), you know it is from the almighty, the allwise but do you know trust in what he wants you to do because you see no earthly benefit or harm?
part of this issue is also your capacity to trust in God in all things in your life. Do you trust in God or in yourself and the limited knowledge of Man? I hope you realize that your understanding and the understanding of men is limited in many, many ways and that we take the knowledge that God gives us but we also need to trust in him when we have no knowledge and when we have knowledge, as He might prove to us at every stop that where we thought we knew something we didn't even know the most minimal part. Haven't you seen this manifest itself in the physical and social sciences and in your own personal life?
Godbless,
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Peace,
I agree that we shall not kill or punish someone who are homosexual but a matter of fact it was exactly what God did to the people of Lot, erased them from the earth and then keep mentioning them over and over again in Quran as some kind of warning and enlightments of what will happen to people who are not clean.
And sometimes people don't know what is best for them o so read Quran and God will guide you.
Majidah
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Peace,
I think they were erased because the whole city was engaged in this sin, and they tried to not only to harm the righteous but also force them into this activity. From what I see this is why God told the righteous to leave so he could punish the town and wipe them out, giving them the final word, as they were not going to change their ways.
However, in the Quran the most consistent aspect that I see of the societies that were destroyed is that they impeded and forcibly tried to oppress or blot out those who called to God. From Pharoah to Lot.
Had they not done this they might have been given themselves more time but their sins would have and will catch up with them on the day of judgement. If you die immersed in sin, it is a done deal for you. Read the Quran, 281
Godbless,
Anwar