Hitting One's Wife.
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I'm sorry.
I spoke unkindly. I'm not normally like that. Please forgive me.
I wish you all the best - truly.
Peace.
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Aww come on, spit it out )
A lot of people harbour inner hatred and deep resentment for muslims and islam and this is shown not while amongst muslims, but amongst their own newly adopted community of people (ahem). I believe the Quran speaks on a similar example. This is also true for christianity. So it's all "Please, thank you, Peace" amongst the muslims and "I can't stand those goat****ers" back at home, in the new comfort zone. May I remind everyone that the Quran does contain detailed examples of everybody's psyche and their honesty in matters, and particularly how they associate and treat others. Also please note the appeal to majority/tradition fallacy is exactly that, a fallacy. If 1200 years of Islamic scholarship is correct, please explain how 3000+ years of Jewish scholarship and 1800 years of Christian scholarship is incorrect. When one takes this path, fallacious logic becomes the norm, not the exception.
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A lot of people harbour inner hatred and deep resentment for muslims and islam and this is shown not while amongst muslims, but amongst their own newly adopted community of people (ahem). I believe the Quran speaks on a similar example. This is also true for christianity. So it's all "Please, thank you, Peace" amongst the muslims and "I can't stand those goat****ers" back at home, in the new comfort zone.
That is because Muslims display wide openly their intolerances against others and as well as among themselves all in the name of a "fake" god and unyielding to rationality by Quranic technicalities even when "reformed".May I remind everyone that the Quran does contain detailed examples of everybody's psyche and their honesty in matters, and particularly how they associate and treat others.
Is there anything new that the world today and prior to Islam's resurrection, does not know/never knew about fundamental principles and essential living standards that only Quran professed?Also please note the appeal to majority/tradition fallacy is exactly that, a fallacy.
Right! Majority of around 7 billion people today believe in an inconceivable, fathomless invisible fallacious being.If 1200 years of Islamic scholarship is correct, please explain how 3000+ years of Jewish scholarship and 1800 years of Christian scholarship is incorrect. When one takes this path, fallacious logic becomes the norm, not the exception.
Religious doctrines sets its standards by deception and denial and Islam tops it all by rigorous enforcements. -
That is because Muslims display wide openly their intolerances against others and as well as among themselves all in the name of a "fake" god and unyielding to rationality by Quranic technicalities even when "reformed".
Is there anything new that the world today and prior to Islam's resurrection, does not know/never knew about fundamental principles and essential living standards that only Quran professed?
Right! Majority of around 7 billion people today believe in an inconceivable, fathomless invisible fallacious being.
Religious doctrines sets its standards by deception and denial and Islam tops it all by rigorous enforcements.
That is because Muslims display wide openly their intolerances against others and as well as among themselves all in the name of a "fake" god and unyielding to rationality by Quranic technicalities even when "reformed".
Please show me this "majority hate" and especially where it is manifested outside of the Danish cartoons episodes and Iran and others.
Is there anything new that the world today and prior to Islam's resurrection, does not know/never knew about fundamental principles and essential living standards that only Quran professed?
In other words, "I agree, because I cannot refute this".
Right! Majority of around 7 billion people today believe in an inconceivable, fathomless invisible fallacious being.
Please differentiate between the act of appealing to the majority and the majority themselves.
Religious doctrines sets its standards by deception and denial and Islam tops it all by rigorous enforcements.
Judging by your perception of Islam, which none but a mentally delusional/high person can have after supposedly being open to all ideas for such a long period of time, it is not surprising you also retain this belief.
Surah 109 is fitting.
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I'm sorry.
I spoke unkindly. I'm not normally like that. Please forgive me.
I wish you all the best - truly.
Peace.
Peace to you.
Hopefully, you can stick around and we can all learn from each other, with open minds.
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leoxyz this is where the language barrier between yourself and english will get you in trouble, since you don't understand the various meanings of a single english word that starts with the letter F. to say "eff her" is not solely related to sexual intercourse... we often use this term in english as an act of dismissal... technically speaking it would have the same meaning as the phrases "seperate" or "split from her" or something similar.
you've really just embarrassed yourself not only by totally misinterpreting, but by being so vocal with your misinterpretation as to once again throw around veiled accusations of tampering )
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How does it help in rectifying the problem.Only a Quranist can tell.
Hadithist interpretation
First stage = Bad advice; leave if you are not happy
Seconding stage = deserts bedroom for other wives and/or right hand possessions
Third stage = Beat her until she leavesRepeat steps until she is forced to leave (i.e. thrown to the curb).
How does it help in rectifying the problem? Only a hadithist can tell.
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Peace be with you, I hope I wasn't overly harsh, for that I apologize. I was guilt-ridden afterwards.
May God Guide
It's OK DArgento - no problem - It was my fault I was being rude.
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Yes from Quranist's interpretation
First stage = good advice
Seconding stage = leaving in the bedrooms
Third stage = intercourse
How does it help in rectifying the problem.Only a Quranist can tell.Please underline these "stages" from "Quranist" claims and please show where in the book of the "Quranist" these stages are defined. Thanks. More questions to follow.
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Peace to you.
Hopefully, you can stick around and we can all learn from each other, with open minds.
Thank you - yes I will do what I should have done all along - read and take time before posting again.
Thanks - Peace.
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I actually put what hadithists say about this Aya in my post. It is very different from the above false statement.
No, what you wrote above is a false statement.
So Shafii concluded that while the Aya gives permission to hit, it is not required nor liked and probably hated, but forms the maximum limit of punishment.
Does a husband according to you and Shaffi give permission to beat wives? You answered YES!
That verse says either beat, leave, show (by way of example), etc.
Once you agree to beat/strike (i.e. smack them with a stick or whatever) then no apologetics if, but, liked, probably, bs.
I have it as ?show them? by going on a sex strike!