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Is this fair to quote it ??

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    Tay
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    Peace,

    Here I see so many PEARLS to enjoy and get the oppertunity to meet certain "Zamakhsharis" of the time.

    Outcome decided, motive stated. Here's a synonym

    http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

    Trolls can be existing members of a community that rarely post and often contribute no useful information to the thread, but instead make argumentative posts in an attempt to discredit another person, concentrating almost exclusively on facts irrelevant to the point of the conversation, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others...

    A person who retaliates (using whatever means) as a result of a misunderstanding (or as a way of rebelling against the overzealous application of rules) is not a troll. A troll is a person who approaches a board with the specific intention of stirring things up, either as a goal in and of itself or as a means of attacking the board perhaps motivated by opposition to the ethos of the board. For example, a neo-Nazi approaching a Jewish forum with the intention of attacking the members, purely because the neo-Nazi knows the forum to contain Jewish members, will be considered a troll.

    Does this fit your intentions, Leo, or would you like to explain yourself better?

    Peace,
    Tay

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      Wakas
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      Do the people on that website have some brain ?? If the answer is yes ,then they cannot be quranist.

      A little prodding and the truth of your prejudiced mentality comes out.

      Leoxyz is a perfect example of why AQ doesn't say those who know/understand/learn/speak/read Arabic will understand it best.

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        Leoxyz
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        A little prodding and the truth of your prejudiced mentality comes out.

        Leoxyz is a perfect example of why AQ doesn't say those who know/understand/learn/speak/read Arabic will understand it best.

        Dear
        Did I say anything without proof?
        The simple thing to avoid it not to shed "Pearls"
        Why do you people do it ??
        Translate sensibly ,no objection at all.
        Do you agree with me??

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          Leoxyz
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          Peace,

          Outcome decided, motive stated. Here's a synonym

          http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
          Does this fit your intentions, Leo, or would you like to explain yourself better?

          Peace,
          Tay

          Sure
          My intentions are "To Protect the Quran".
          Is this bad thing ??

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            afridi220
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            Sure
            My intentions are "To Protect the Quran".
            Is this bad thing ??

            Protecting Quran is God job you are no body to protect the Quran ignore

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              Tay
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              Peace Leo,

              My intentions are "To Protect the Quran".
              Is this bad thing ??

              As afridi stated, the qur'an does not need your protection, nor do you possess a monopoly on the accurate understanding. That being said, if your intention is "to protect your understanding of the quran", then surely you would be better served stating your case with each entry as opposed to simply insulting and sarcastly commenting on others.

              4134 Not equal are the good and the bad response. You shall resort to the one which is better. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.

              Peace,
              Tay

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                hlatif
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                God protects the Qur'an through means of protection and that includes people.

                Hussein

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                  Leoxyz
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                  Peace Leo,

                  As afridi stated, the qur'an does not need your protection, nor do you possess a monopoly on the accurate understanding. That being said, if your intention is "to protect your understanding of the quran", then surely you would be better served stating your case with each entry as opposed to simply insulting and sarcastly commenting on others.

                  4134 Not equal are the good and the bad response. You shall resort to the one which is better. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.

                  Peace,
                  Tay

                  Allah Protects the Quran through means as hlatif pointed out.Or do you believe in "MIRACLES ???

                  It means because of my efforts you people have started to believe in "miracles "
                  Congratulation !!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  Before this some of you accepted the importance of "Hadith"

                  What I do not understand ,Why do you poeple scatter so many PEARLS,which I have to pick up.
                  Can you answer me this question.

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                    Navid
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                    Allah Protects the Quran through means as hlatif pointed out.Or do you believe in "MIRACLES ???

                    It means because of my efforts you people have started to believe in "miracles "
                    Congratulation !!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    Before this some of you accepted the importance of "Hadith"

                    What I do not understand ,Why do you poeple scatter so many PEARLS,which I have to pick up.
                    Can you answer me this question.

                    So the only way to know, or have any evidence that the quran is true is through hadith?

                    You are openly spitting in God's face, as if He is not enough for you and His signs (which are consistently talked about throughout the quran) do not strengthen your iman at all. Instead, your iman lies in the hadith, manmade works. But go ahead, keep mocking by saying Or do you believe in "MIRACLES Huh? It means because of my efforts you people have started to believe in "miracles " You know what you are mocking. So sad.

                    The hypocrites worry that a sura may be revealed exposing what is inside their hearts. Say, "Go ahead and mock. GOD will expose exactly what you are afraid of."

                    He has instructed you in the scripture that if you hear GOD's revelations being mocked and ridiculed, you shall not sit with them, unless they delve into another subject. Otherwise, you will be as guilty as they are. GOD will gather the hypocrites and the disbelievers together in Hell.

                    Peace all

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                      Tay
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                      Peace Hussein, Leo,

                      How do you differentiate between a person protecting the quran and a person protecting his/her understanding of the quran? Who decides which people are the protectors? What if the protector misunderstands what he/she is protecting? What is the criteria?

                      Allah Protects the Quran through means as hlatif pointed out.Or do you believe in "MIRACLES".

                      I see. And you are God's ambassador?

                      Ponder this
                      ?This is an honourable Quran. In a protected record. None can grasp it except those pure. A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.? (Quran 5677-80)

                      It means because of my efforts you people have started to believe in "miracles "

                      Reference please.

                      Before this some of you accepted the importance of "Hadith"

                      Name one person, if you are truthful.

                      Why do you poeple scatter so many PEARLS,which I have to pick up.
                      Can you answer me this question.

                      Yes, as soon as you define "PEARLS" and show me some references to where they are scattered.

                      Peace,
                      Tay

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                        Mazhar
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                        Quote from Wakas on Yesterday at 012902 PM
                        Who are these "Quranists" you keep referring to?
                        Munkareen-e- Hadith
                        Temperers of the Quran{Leoxyz}

                        Dear Leoxyz,

                        Why Allah forbade the honorable guests of the Last Messenger to keeping sitting there after dinner/lunch for want of a Hadith?

                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/book_6/4/slides/43.html

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                          Leoxyz
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                          Peace Hussein, Leo,

                          Yes, as soon as you define "PEARLS" and show me some references to where they are scattered.

                          Peace,
                          Tay

                          Where are pearls scattered ?? I have pointed out at many place and one is right on this page

                          Mr Naveed said
                          You are openly spitting in God's face,

                          Do you people think that "ma3zallah" God has "FACE " and anyone can "spit on it"
                          This is what is going on ? You ask me where are pearls ??
                          Who is ignorant ?
                          I or those who translate

                          • rub the foot instead of "wash the foot"
                            I or those who say qiblaataan /qiblatain does not exist in the classical arabic

                          I or those who think "God has a face" ma3aazallah

                          BTW what is the translation of this ayaa?

                          -rub the foot or wash the foot ?

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                            Navid
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                            Where are pearls scattered ?? I have pointed out at many place and one is right on this page

                            Mr Naveed said
                            You are openly spitting in God's face,

                            Do you people think that "ma3zallah" God has "FACE " and anyone can "spit on it"

                            I am convinced Leo is actually not serious, only here to joke. This truly is a "PEARL." Unbelievable.

                            Peace be with you Leo

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                              unknownuser
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                              Do you people think that "ma3zallah" God has "FACE " and anyone can "spit on it"

                              Volume 6, Book 60, Number 371

                              Narrated Anas

                              The Prophet said, "The people will be thrown into the (Hell) Fire and it will say "Are there any more (to come)?' (50.30) till Allah puts His Foot over it and it will say, 'Qati! Qati! (Enough Enough!)'"

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                                Leoxyz
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                                Peace Hussein, Leo,

                                How do you differentiate between a person protecting the quran and a person protecting his/her understanding of the quran? Who decides which people are the protectors? What if the protector misunderstands what he/she is protecting? What is the criteria?

                                Reference please.

                                Name one person, if you are truthful.

                                Peace,
                                Tay

                                Dear Tay
                                You have asked me for person who has accepted the importance of Hadith.
                                Mr OPF has just quoted a Hadith

                                Volume 6, Book 60, Number 371

                                Narrated Anas

                                The Prophet said, "The people will be thrown into the (Hell) Fire and it will say "Are there any more (to come)?' (50.30) till Allah puts His Foot over it and it will say, 'Qati! Qati! (Enough Enough!)'"

                                If he has quoted it ,it means he has accepted its importance and bringing it forward to prove the "FOOT " of God
                                Any other proof do you want.

                                You what is strange in quotation of OPF .He has never quoted Hadith to prove the way to perform Hajj but he has instantly quoted the Hadith to prove "THE FOOT" of Allah

                                OPF Will Allah put his right or Left foot in the Hell ??Can you explain ?Or Allah has many feet ma3aazallah .
                                Ma3aazallah .

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  rotfl

                                  I suggest you get yourself checked out at a good health clinic, my good brother.

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                                    Leoxyz
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                                    rotfl

                                    I suggest you get yourself checked out at a good health clinic, my good brother.

                                    Why did you try to take shelter of fabricated Hadiths ??
                                    Can you tell me the reason ???

                                    Naveed talked about "Face of God"
                                    You rushed to prove "Foot of God"
                                    My question is why are you people trying to distort islamic teachings?

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                                      unknownuser
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                                      Why did you try to take shelter of fabricated Hadiths ??
                                      Can you tell me the reason ???

                                      Naveed talked about "Face of God"
                                      You rushed to prove "Foot of God"
                                      My question is why are you people trying to distort islamic teachings?

                                      Please look up the definition of "devil's advocate".

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                                        Leoxyz
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                                        Dear Leoxyz,

                                        Why Allah forbade the honorable guests of the Last Messenger to keeping sitting there after dinner/lunch for want of a Hadith?

                                        You might be knowing Allah's intentions

                                        What is your opinion about "qiblataan/qiblatain"
                                        Do they exist in classical arabic or not ??

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          Dear Leoxyz,

                                          Please don't keep jumping from tree to tree; here you have a different topic than Qiblatain. There on that thread you have become silent.

                                          Allah has clarified in the verse that those who wish to seek hadith are the ones who annoy/cause uneasyness to the Messenger and anyone who annoys the Messenger has no abode but hell; certainly and beyond any doubt.

                                          Please read the verdict of Allah; and remember this thing was told to those people who were closest to the Messenger {Peace and respects to him day and night}. And please do find time to read the link, in easy Urdu, and then let me know if something wrong has been said there or something out of the Quran.

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