philosophy...

Samia

The invention of the telegraph could be one, mail was to slow for the inventor, (desirefaster comm.) so he created the telegraph, (pursuitinventing) and now has faster communication with others. (reolutionfaster comm.)

Telegraph in Arabic is "lightening"

Wakas

peace LP.

The invention of the telegraph could be one, mail was to slow for the inventor, (desirefaster comm.) so he created the telegraph, (pursuitinventing) and now has faster communication with others. (reolutionfaster comm.)

I understand why you said the above but this was not what I was after. I dont think this is like for like.

To me, thirst is a tangible/physical desire/feeling, that is natural, in-built, hard-wired... whilst the example you suggested just doesn't fall into the same category for me. What do you think?

unknownuser

Yes, actually, it does.

For one to thirst, one actually needs to need water, and be based on water, and well, all life is based on water.

Rephrased, yes, if a living being thirsts, then that implies the existance of water - not so much the thirst, but the living.

Lost_Philosopher

peace LP.

I understand why you said the above but this was not what I was after. I dont think this is like for like.

To me, thirst is a tangible/physical desire/feeling, that is natural, in-built, hard-wired... whilst the example you suggested just doesn't fall into the same category for me. What do you think?

I guess I wasn't in-depth enough, I guess you could say that the desire for the telegraph is like the natural desire of knowledge, to hear about more of the world in a shorter amount of time.

Telegraph in Arabic is "lightening"

Thats cool.

weinmar

peace all,

Q "If one thirsts*, does this imply the existence of water**?"

a need/desire to drink
** or a fluid which quenches/resolves one's thirst

Discuss.

Thirst wouldnt exist if there is nothing to quenche.

A quenching fluid (commonly water) could(possiblity) exist regardless the desire to drink.

The desire's dependency to exist relies directly on the existance of a quenching fluid(water). A quenching fluid( water) is independent.

ayani

Wakas-

in the case of spiritual seeking and striving, i feel the answer is certainly "yes". it seems like every few months an american magazine will have a front-page article on how God (or worship) is ingrained into our DNA. i would retreat back to more classical language and say it is woven into the fabric of our hearts, and that this itself is a clear sign to consider.

the "thirsty" analogy also brings to mind those Sufi poets who insisted that we thirst while unknowingly in front of a fresh-water ocean.

Ghulam_Rasool

Yes if one thirsts it implies the existence of something which can quench it. Common sense.

Lost_Philosopher

Does God drink wine?

Zidane

Very interesting topic.

However, I don't fully understand it yet. Please explain it more.

No offence, I just want to learn. I wonder

-If one (many) longs for coming of the "mehdi", does he or his coming exist?

-Children long for santa-clause coming at night, does he exist? (Or their parents came instead?)

-Many people who believe in shamans or those type of doctors long for the help of one or more "sacred spirits", do they exit?

-Many long for the "king of kings, ...lion of judah" as in Rastafari, the long for God's coming as a living man, so does God's incarnate really exist or existed?

Please help clarify.

May God Guide.

unknownuser

Very intereting topic.

However, I don't fully understand it yet. Please explain it more.

No offence, I just want to learn. I wonder

-If one (many) longs for coming of the "mehdi", does he or his coming exist?

-Children long for santa-clause coming at night, does he exist? (Or their parents came instead?)

-Many people who believe in shamans or those type of doctors long for the help of one or more "sacred spirits", do they exit?

-Many long for the "king of kings, ...lion of judah" as in Rastafari, the long for God's coming as a living man, so does God's incarnate really exist or existed?

Please help clarify.

May God Guide.

Those are all psychological/conceptual.

Thirst is tangible.

Zidane

Those are all psychological/conceptual.

Thirst is tangible.

Thanks, OPF.

Now I understand more about it, it should be a tangible longing.

Anyway, how can I prove that thirst/long for (the one) God is tangible?

May God Guide.

L_Hu

On the issue of language I think the Bakhtin circle was right.

L_Hu

Perhaps language is the only reality.

L_Hu

Logic, mathematics, reason, and philosophy are all products of language. "Man acts as though he were the shaper and master of language, while in fact language remains the master of man. --Martin Heidegger". The world is merely what we think it is.

Jafar

Yes, actually, it does.

For one to thirst, one actually needs to need water, and be based on water, and well, all life is based on water.

Rephrased, yes, if a living being thirsts, then that implies the existance of water - not so much the thirst, but the living.

Let
Thirst = desires for water
(for clarity sake)

Then

If a living being posses a desire for water, then that implies the existence of water within the living being's mindset.

Transposed to another context gives us

If a living being posses a desire for 'meeting with an alien / being from outer space'.
then that implies the existence of an alien/being from outer space within the living being's mindset.
It doesn't necessary imply that this alien/being from outer space does in reality exist.

Salam / Peace

drfazl

Thirst or appetite is a God governed feel with no tangibility. If it is tangible then you can clearly explain the 'thirst' with a language and make one understand "O, this is thirst; now I know!"