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where is Allah?

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    Zidane
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    Greetings,

    Nice topic, here are some verses

    2115 And to God belongs the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is God's presence. God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.

    574 He is the One who created the heavens and the Earth in six days, then He settled over the dominion. He knows everything that enters into the land, and everything that comes out of it, and everything that comes down from the sky, and everything that climbs into it. And He is with you wherever you may be. God is Seer of everything you do.

    587 Do you not realize that God knows everything in the heavens and everything on Earth? No three people can meet secretly without Him being their fourth, nor five without Him being the sixth, nor less than that, nor more, without Him being there with them wherever they may be. Then, on the Day of Resurrection, He will inform them of everything they had done. God is fully aware of all things.

    Therefore, God is Omnipresent, not only limited to a place (space) or time because God created the existence of place (space) and time itself.

    Some people say that God is not omnipresent, only at His Throne, they quote a hidth/narration about how the spirit of a dead person is taken through each of the 7 gates of the heavens/sky with security check all the way (something like that, as far as i remember). That view contradicts with the verses above. These kinds of narrations, to me, sounds very much addressed by the verse

    7185 Did they not look at the dominion of heavens and Earth, and all that God has created? Perhaps their time is drawing near; so in which narrations after this one will they believe?

    May God Guide & Bless.

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      nerspi
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      peace

      Some people say that God is not omnipresent, only at His Throne,

      yes that's what i heard, that's why i asked.

      and thanks to all for the replies. i see now

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        gazzali
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        Salam

        Difficult question.... need time to understand Allah swt

        gazzali

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          SatanHatesMe
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          God is not confine by space. To explain this, here is a analogy to ponder

          Everything we know and sense, EVERYTHING, exists within a box. Everything including up down, far near, left right, evil good, hot cold, solid liquid, light dark, white black, animal human, one to infinity, work slave, technology caveman, money broke, love hate, male female, etc etc etc. EVERYTHING we perceive and know exist within this box. This box is called reality.

          To understand or get a glance of GOD, just remember that God is outside that box, holding it.

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            nadeem
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            Hmm... You just put god outside reality.

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              SatanHatesMe
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              Hmm... You just put god outside reality.

              our reality

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                nadeem
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                So the male and the female, to use two elements of your list, do not exist within the same reality as god? How do you understand the "We are closer to you than your jugular vein"?

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                  amuslim
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                  Peace afridi220

                  saqi sharab peene de masjid main bait ker

                  ya woh jhagah batha ke jehan per khuda na ho hmm

                  Those are two good points that should be brought up to a Sunni, then show them the Quran.

                  Peace

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                    unknownuser
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                    If it's God, it doesn't exist.

                    I wonder if anyone'll understand that, so ambiguous...

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                      SatanHatesMe
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                      So the male and the female, to use two elements of your list, do not exist within the same reality as god?

                      yes. these concepts is our reality that we are dependent on. however things like gender doesnt apply to GOD. GOD is neither male nor female etc.

                      How do you understand the "We are closer to you than your jugular vein"?

                      GOD is not fix within a space or location. This is not about location. GOD is not near to me like as close as my jugular vein. IF so, it will contradiction verse like 7143. So the verse is clearly symbolic to represent GOD awareness and knowledge of us internally. meaning HE is aware of our closest and private thoughts etc. That verse says "we know what he whispers to himself."

                      honestly if GOD is confine within our realty, He is no a god, but dependent upon our the reality, obeying the laws and restrictions of our reality. but we learn this is not true (6 103, 3967, 3682).

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                        Arnold
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                        So the male and the female, to use two elements of your list, do not exist within the same reality as god? How do you understand the "We are closer to you than your jugular vein"?

                        And, not to mention that the Quran clearly calls God "he" numerous times.

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                          SatanHatesMe
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                          And, not to mention that the Quran clearly calls God "he" numerous times.

                          if GOD is a "he" as in male, then he is not one and only since he is the second part of a pair. but that will contradict 573.

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                            nadeem
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                            Peace,

                            'He' in arabis is also used for 'it'.

                            Nadeem

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                              Arnold
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                              Peace,

                              'He' in arabis is also used for 'it'.

                              Nadeem

                              Can she be used for it too? Why didn't it just say it if that's what it meant? I hate excuses.

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                                nadeem
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                                Peace Arnold,

                                'She' is also used for 'it'. Feminine objects, animate or inanimate, take 'she'. Masculine, animate or inanimate, take 'he'. There is no seperate word for 'it' in arabic which should answer your second question.

                                Nadeem

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                                  Arnold
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                                  Peace Arnold,

                                  'She' is also used for 'it'. Feminine objects, animate or inanimate, take 'she'. Masculine, animate or inanimate, take 'he'. There is no seperate word for 'it' in arabic which should answer your second question.

                                  Nadeem

                                  So allah is male then I suppose. But I hear Muslims say that Allah is neither male nor female, probably to make the religion look fair and equal between men and women. But I don't see where the Quran interchanges between male and female or he and she. Both he and she mean it.

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                                    God_alone
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                                    I agree with SHM angel

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                                      nadeem
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                                      So allah is male then I suppose. But I hear Muslims say that Allah is neither male nor female, probably to make the religion look fair and equal between men and women. But I don't see where the Quran interchanges between male and female or he and she. Both he and she mean it.

                                      Peace,

                                      No. Being grammatically masculine or feminine doesn't mean that the object has penis or a vagina.

                                      For example, in norwegian, the couch/sofa is feminine. If in english we say "That's a good sofa, I'll buy it", then in norwegian we'll say "That's a good sofa, I'll buy her".

                                      Get it?

                                      If my arabic was any better I'd give you examples from arabic.

                                      Nadeem

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                                        Arnold
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                                        Peace,

                                        No. Being grammatically masculine or feminine doesn't mean that the object has penis or a vagina.

                                        For example, in norwegian, the couch/sofa is feminine. If in english we say "That's a good sofa, I'll buy it", then in norwegian we'll say "That's a good sofa, I'll buy her".

                                        Get it?

                                        No i don't get it, and you're merely hiding the reason that the Quran refers to Allah as "he". Brahma? Yes, i don't see a strong gender assignment to that. But Allah? who are you kidding? He's definitely male. Who cares if he has a penis or not, the Quran certainly did choose "he" and not "she", and in the Hindu scriptures, Brahma apparently has no gender ever mentioned, so it is indeed possible to write religious scriptures without referring to God in a gender, unless one intends to do so. So this is absolute bunk, and a little excuse that someone created for you to make Islam fit the modern day understanding of fairness where men and women are more equal than in Judaeo Christian scriptures.

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                                          Jack
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                                          the modern day understanding of fairness where men and women are more equal than in Judaeo Christian scriptures.

                                          that's the funniest thing i've ever read, oh yeah the 'judeo christian scriptures' don't blame 'adam's sin on eve' ! Not at all !

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