Earth like an Ostrich Egg or like a Pizza?
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Earth expanded in the past. Both match science.Let me repeat it again, in Arabic, present perfect tenses are written like past tenses.
Why didn't one single translator, not one, translate this as present perfect? Again, you are inventing anything you can think of to try and throw at the problem, but others don't concur with you. In fact, nobody does. But, then again, you're the guy who writes his own Quran and Arabic dictionary.
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Why didn't one single translator, not one, translate this as present perfect? Again, you are inventing anything you can think of to try and throw at the problem, but others don't concur with you. In fact, nobody does. But, then again, you're the guy who writes his own Quran and Arabic dictionary.
"And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);" Yusuf Ali.
It is not in past tense here. You are deliberately lying. -
"And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);" Yusuf Ali.
It is not in past tense here. You are deliberately lying.It says extended, not continuing to extend. Why are we suppose to think this means continuing to extend excepot for the fact that this is what you need it to say? It's not there.
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It says extended, not continuing to extend. Why are we suppose to think this means continuing to extend excepot for the fact that this is what you need it to say? It's not there.
It says "has extended" not "extended".
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Has he extended. That's past.
He has extended is past?
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Yes, it speaks of an action that has already taken place. It can remain extended, but the action of extending has already taken place. This is going nowhere.
Which does not contradict science anyway.
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Which does not contradict science anyway.
So what, the Quran is not talking about a continually expanding earth. That's the point. At best, it means that the earth has remained expanded after it was initially expanded. So your attempted twist to relate the Quran to modern science doesn't work. Why do you keep trying stuff like this? Are you proud to just pull anything you can imagine out of your pocket and throw it against the wall in hopes that some of it sticks? I'm not amused because it wastes time.
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So what, the Quran is not talking about a continually expanding earth. That's the point. At best, it means that the earth has remained expanded after it was initially expanded. So your attempted twist to relate the Quran to modern science doesn't work. Why do you keep trying stuff like this? Are you proud to just pull anything you can imagine out of your pocket and throw it against the wall in hopes that some of it sticks? I'm not amused because it wastes time.
When God says I created the human being, He obviously means the continuous creating of human beings. Clear enough?
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When God says I created the human being, He obviously means the continuous creating of human beings. Clear enough?
There are multiple objects in your example. But as an individual object, such as the earth or a human (singular), something was created and it persists, but the act of creation is in the past. Nice try, but sorry. It doesn't work. Go try another one. I know you have an endless supply. The creativity of a young boy is endless.
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There are multiple objects in your example. But as an individual object, such as the earth or a human (singular), something was created and it persists, but the act of creation is in the past. Nice try, but sorry. It doesn't work. Go try another one. I know you have an endless supply. The creativity of a young boy is endless.
You are illogical here. In Arabic it works for both singular and multiple. When God says I created the human being in the best shape, it refers to all time. It refers to every human being until the Judgement Day. Obviously every human being is created in the best shape, not just Adam.
"Verily, We create man in the best conformation;"
Laqad khalaqna alinsana fee ahsani taqweeminThe highlighted word is written in Arabic in "past" tense form, but is translated and understood as a present tense. Same can be applied to verse 7930.
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You are illogical here. In Arabic it works for both singular and multiple. When God says I created the human being in the best shape, it refers to all time. It refers to every human being until the Judgement Day. Obviously every human being is created in the best shape, not just Adam.
"Verily, We create man in the best conformation;"
Laqad khalaqna alinsana fee ahsani taqweeminThe highlighted word is written in Arabic in "past" tense form, but is translated and understood as a present tense. Same can be applied to verse 7930.
So the fact of the matter is, "past" tenses in the Quran can be interpreted as present simple tense, which applies to 7930.
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Arnold has been suspended. It seems as though it's okay for all of you guys to fling insuslts and call me childish, but I can't do the same as well without being suspended. BTW, I can't answer your argument right now because of my status, but it was absolutely ridiculous. I don't think that even you believe it, let alone anyone else.
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Arnold has been suspended. It seems as though it's okay for all of you guys to fling insuslts and call me childish, but I can't do the same as well without being suspended. BTW, I can't answer your argument right now because of my status, but it was absolutely ridiculous. I don't think that even you believe it, let alone anyone else.
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Arnold has been suspended. It seems as though it's okay for all of you guys to fling insuslts and call me childish, but I can't do the same as well without being suspended. BTW, I can't answer your argument right now because of my status, but it was absolutely ridiculous. I don't think that even you believe it, let alone anyone else.
Arnold (you), took the initiative - with no provacation - and called several people such things as "psychopath" and "anus." Please, don't pull the "fascist" card, as you did in the other thread. If FM was "fascist," "Arnold" would not have been able to make threads regarding the quran, and the threads lasting 5+ pages at that.
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How would you know that he was suspended? You just joined and every single one of your posts mention this. Sounds like you have an agenda.
BTW, some of us realize that 2+2= 22
Read the post again, genius
Arnold has been suspended. It seems as though it's okay for all of you guys to fling insuslts and call me childish, but I can't do the same as well without being suspended. BTW, I can't answer your argument right now because of my status, but it was absolutely ridiculous. I don't think that even you believe it, let alone anyone else.
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Arnold (you), took the initiative - with no provacation
Wrong. You didn't read far back enough. All I did was post challenging things about the Quran in the appropriate section, and I was met with insults first because it angered people. But people pay no attention to that because in their minds, any challenge of the Quran is an insult. So their initial insults didn't register as such with them, nor the mods, because in their mind, they had already been insulted first because I was laughing at the Quran. But that section is specifically for people to challenge and laugh at the Quran. Go back and read it and watch who laughed at who first, and who called someone a child first. I was paying attention to this the whole time, you nor the mods weren't.