Earth like an Ostrich Egg or like a Pizza?
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No, i answered them. And then, you try to swapo out one word with another and you got caught. And then, even the word that you tried to use as a replacement ended up matching my point better than yours. So what again have you answered? Please remind me. Last I checked, everybody is point at "spread ot" except for you, and even you accidently poinrted to "spread out". It doesn't get much clearer than that.
I have answered your claims back too. In Arabic, many words can have more than one meaning. I pointed to you that
can mean to expand
And even it means, to stretch out/spread out (Which I do not agree with), it should nor make a difference because science substantiates it. -
I have answered your claims back too. In Arabic, many words can have more than one meaning. I pointed to you that
can mean to expand
And even it means, to stretch out/spread out (Which I do not agree with), it should nor make a difference because science substantiates it.Every single time, spread out comes out at the top of the list. Most frequently used by the translators, and the first definition in both the definitions I provided, and the ones you provide. Seems pretty clear. Like I said, you just had to push the envelope, didn't you. I was ready to let it go as expand, if it progressed the conversation, but you insisted that I dump on you. You asked me to. And now, you opened up the can of worms of dahaha having two other definitions besides spread out. They are level, and level off. Woooo, getting creepily close to "flat". You should see the other verses that all say the same basic thing.
So let's use you logic.
Your definition of that other word that's not even in the verse says
- stretched out
- spread out
- expanded
And you say, that for some reason, we should pick definition number three. OK
So, here's the definition of the actual word that was used
- spread out
- leveled
- leveled off
So, let's use your logic, and ignore the first two, and pick number three. Heh, Allah leveled the earth off. Hmmmm.....starts to sound a little like flattened out to me.
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I have answered your claims back too. In Arabic, many words can have more than one meaning. I pointed to you that
can mean to expand
And even it means, to stretch out/spread out (Which I do not agree with), it should nor make a difference because science substantiates it.Dahaha, the actual word that is used, is a past tense verb.
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Every single time, spread out comes out at the top of the list. Most frequently used by the translators, and the first definition in both the definitions I provided, and the ones you provide. Seems pretty clear. Like I said, you just had to push the envelope, didn't you. I was ready to let it go as expand, if it progressed the conversation, but you insisted that I dump on you. You asked me to. And now, you opened up the can of worms of dahaha having two other definitions besides spread out. They are level, and level off. Woooo, getting creepily close to "flat". You should see the other verses that all say the same basic thing.
So let's use you logic.
Your definition of that other word that's not even in the verse says
- stretched out
- spread out
- expanded
And you say, that for some reason, we should pick definition number three. OK
So, here's the definition of the actual word that was used
- spread out
- leveled
- leveled off
So, let's use your logic, and ignore the first two, and pick number three. Heh, Allah leveled the earth off. Hmmmm.....starts to sound a little like flattened out to me.
Again, A word can have more than one meaning.
can mean- to stretch out
- to spread out
- to expand
Both 3 definitions are compatible with science. I personally go with to expand/enlarge.
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Dahaha, the actual word that is used, is a past tense verb.
It's in the present perfect tense.
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Prove it. Everybody else says it's past tense.
Present perfect tenses are written like past tenses in Arabic. And does it really matter? Whether past ot present perfect does not matter as both are compatible with science.
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Present perfect tenses are written like past tenses in Arabic. And does it really matter? Whether past ot present perfect does not matter as both are compatible with science.
Yes, it does matter, because one states that the expanding is an action that God performed in the beginning before he sent the rain down and therefore conflicts with the invention you are attempting, and the other one refers to God continually expanding, so that it can be twisted to match science. So yes, it matters a lot, and I asked you to substantiate, and you didn't. So I'll assume it was nothing more than yet another attempt of a deceptive diversion.
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Yes, it does matter, because one states that the expanding is an action that God performed in the beginning before he sent the rain down and therefore conflicts with the invention you are attempting,
Earth expanded in the past.
and the other one refers to God continually expanding, so that it can be twisted to match science.
Both match science.
So yes, it matters a lot, and I asked you to substantiate, and you didn't.
Let me repeat it again, in Arabic, present perfect tenses are written like past tenses.
So I'll assume it was nothing more than yet another attempt of a deceptive diversion.
This is all you have got, assumptions and insults.
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Earth expanded in the past. Both match science.Let me repeat it again, in Arabic, present perfect tenses are written like past tenses.
Why didn't one single translator, not one, translate this as present perfect? Again, you are inventing anything you can think of to try and throw at the problem, but others don't concur with you. In fact, nobody does. But, then again, you're the guy who writes his own Quran and Arabic dictionary.
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Why didn't one single translator, not one, translate this as present perfect? Again, you are inventing anything you can think of to try and throw at the problem, but others don't concur with you. In fact, nobody does. But, then again, you're the guy who writes his own Quran and Arabic dictionary.
"And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);" Yusuf Ali.
It is not in past tense here. You are deliberately lying. -
"And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);" Yusuf Ali.
It is not in past tense here. You are deliberately lying.It says extended, not continuing to extend. Why are we suppose to think this means continuing to extend excepot for the fact that this is what you need it to say? It's not there.
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It says extended, not continuing to extend. Why are we suppose to think this means continuing to extend excepot for the fact that this is what you need it to say? It's not there.
It says "has extended" not "extended".
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Has he extended. That's past.
He has extended is past?
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Yes, it speaks of an action that has already taken place. It can remain extended, but the action of extending has already taken place. This is going nowhere.
Which does not contradict science anyway.
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Which does not contradict science anyway.
So what, the Quran is not talking about a continually expanding earth. That's the point. At best, it means that the earth has remained expanded after it was initially expanded. So your attempted twist to relate the Quran to modern science doesn't work. Why do you keep trying stuff like this? Are you proud to just pull anything you can imagine out of your pocket and throw it against the wall in hopes that some of it sticks? I'm not amused because it wastes time.
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So what, the Quran is not talking about a continually expanding earth. That's the point. At best, it means that the earth has remained expanded after it was initially expanded. So your attempted twist to relate the Quran to modern science doesn't work. Why do you keep trying stuff like this? Are you proud to just pull anything you can imagine out of your pocket and throw it against the wall in hopes that some of it sticks? I'm not amused because it wastes time.
When God says I created the human being, He obviously means the continuous creating of human beings. Clear enough?
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When God says I created the human being, He obviously means the continuous creating of human beings. Clear enough?
There are multiple objects in your example. But as an individual object, such as the earth or a human (singular), something was created and it persists, but the act of creation is in the past. Nice try, but sorry. It doesn't work. Go try another one. I know you have an endless supply. The creativity of a young boy is endless.