Earth like an Ostrich Egg or like a Pizza?

Arnold

I have answered your claims back too. In Arabic, many words can have more than one meaning. I pointed to you that

can mean to expand
And even it means, to stretch out/spread out (Which I do not agree with), it should nor make a difference because science substantiates it.

Every single time, spread out comes out at the top of the list. Most frequently used by the translators, and the first definition in both the definitions I provided, and the ones you provide. Seems pretty clear. Like I said, you just had to push the envelope, didn't you. I was ready to let it go as expand, if it progressed the conversation, but you insisted that I dump on you. You asked me to. And now, you opened up the can of worms of dahaha having two other definitions besides spread out. They are level, and level off. Woooo, getting creepily close to "flat". You should see the other verses that all say the same basic thing.

So let's use you logic.

Your definition of that other word that's not even in the verse says

stretched out
spread out
expanded

And you say, that for some reason, we should pick definition number three. OK

So, here's the definition of the actual word that was used

spread out
leveled
leveled off

So, let's use your logic, and ignore the first two, and pick number three. Heh, Allah leveled the earth off. Hmmmm.....starts to sound a little like flattened out to me.

Arnold

I have answered your claims back too. In Arabic, many words can have more than one meaning. I pointed to you that

can mean to expand
And even it means, to stretch out/spread out (Which I do not agree with), it should nor make a difference because science substantiates it.

Dahaha, the actual word that is used, is a past tense verb.

Peaceful_Mind

Every single time, spread out comes out at the top of the list. Most frequently used by the translators, and the first definition in both the definitions I provided, and the ones you provide. Seems pretty clear. Like I said, you just had to push the envelope, didn't you. I was ready to let it go as expand, if it progressed the conversation, but you insisted that I dump on you. You asked me to. And now, you opened up the can of worms of dahaha having two other definitions besides spread out. They are level, and level off. Woooo, getting creepily close to "flat". You should see the other verses that all say the same basic thing.

So let's use you logic.

Your definition of that other word that's not even in the verse says

stretched out
spread out
expanded

And you say, that for some reason, we should pick definition number three. OK

So, here's the definition of the actual word that was used

spread out
leveled
leveled off

So, let's use your logic, and ignore the first two, and pick number three. Heh, Allah leveled the earth off. Hmmmm.....starts to sound a little like flattened out to me.

Again, A word can have more than one meaning.
can mean

to stretch out
to spread out
to expand

Both 3 definitions are compatible with science. I personally go with to expand/enlarge.

Peaceful_Mind

Dahaha, the actual word that is used, is a past tense verb.

It's in the present perfect tense.

Arnold

It's in the present perfect tense.

Prove it. Everybody else says it's past tense.

Peaceful_Mind

Prove it. Everybody else says it's past tense.

Present perfect tenses are written like past tenses in Arabic. And does it really matter? Whether past ot present perfect does not matter as both are compatible with science.

Arnold

Present perfect tenses are written like past tenses in Arabic. And does it really matter? Whether past ot present perfect does not matter as both are compatible with science.

Yes, it does matter, because one states that the expanding is an action that God performed in the beginning before he sent the rain down and therefore conflicts with the invention you are attempting, and the other one refers to God continually expanding, so that it can be twisted to match science. So yes, it matters a lot, and I asked you to substantiate, and you didn't. So I'll assume it was nothing more than yet another attempt of a deceptive diversion.

Peaceful_Mind

Yes, it does matter, because one states that the expanding is an action that God performed in the beginning before he sent the rain down and therefore conflicts with the invention you are attempting,

Earth expanded in the past.

and the other one refers to God continually expanding, so that it can be twisted to match science.

Both match science.

So yes, it matters a lot, and I asked you to substantiate, and you didn't.

Let me repeat it again, in Arabic, present perfect tenses are written like past tenses.

So I'll assume it was nothing more than yet another attempt of a deceptive diversion.

This is all you have got, assumptions and insults.

Arnold

Earth expanded in the past. Both match science.Let me repeat it again, in Arabic, present perfect tenses are written like past tenses.

Why didn't one single translator, not one, translate this as present perfect? Again, you are inventing anything you can think of to try and throw at the problem, but others don't concur with you. In fact, nobody does. But, then again, you're the guy who writes his own Quran and Arabic dictionary.

Peaceful_Mind

Why didn't one single translator, not one, translate this as present perfect? Again, you are inventing anything you can think of to try and throw at the problem, but others don't concur with you. In fact, nobody does. But, then again, you're the guy who writes his own Quran and Arabic dictionary.

"And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);" Yusuf Ali.
It is not in past tense here. You are deliberately lying.

Arnold

"And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);" Yusuf Ali.
It is not in past tense here. You are deliberately lying.

It says extended, not continuing to extend. Why are we suppose to think this means continuing to extend excepot for the fact that this is what you need it to say? It's not there.

Peaceful_Mind

It says extended, not continuing to extend. Why are we suppose to think this means continuing to extend excepot for the fact that this is what you need it to say? It's not there.

It says "has extended" not "extended".

Arnold

Has he extended. That's past.

Peaceful_Mind

Has he extended. That's past.

He has extended is past?

Arnold

He has extended is past?

Yes, it speaks of an action that has already taken place. It can remain extended, but the action of extending has already taken place. This is going nowhere.

Peaceful_Mind

Yes, it speaks of an action that has already taken place. It can remain extended, but the action of extending has already taken place. This is going nowhere.

Which does not contradict science anyway.

Arnold

Which does not contradict science anyway.

So what, the Quran is not talking about a continually expanding earth. That's the point. At best, it means that the earth has remained expanded after it was initially expanded. So your attempted twist to relate the Quran to modern science doesn't work. Why do you keep trying stuff like this? Are you proud to just pull anything you can imagine out of your pocket and throw it against the wall in hopes that some of it sticks? I'm not amused because it wastes time.

Peaceful_Mind

So what, the Quran is not talking about a continually expanding earth. That's the point. At best, it means that the earth has remained expanded after it was initially expanded. So your attempted twist to relate the Quran to modern science doesn't work. Why do you keep trying stuff like this? Are you proud to just pull anything you can imagine out of your pocket and throw it against the wall in hopes that some of it sticks? I'm not amused because it wastes time.

When God says I created the human being, He obviously means the continuous creating of human beings. Clear enough?

Arnold

When God says I created the human being, He obviously means the continuous creating of human beings. Clear enough?

There are multiple objects in your example. But as an individual object, such as the earth or a human (singular), something was created and it persists, but the act of creation is in the past. Nice try, but sorry. It doesn't work. Go try another one. I know you have an endless supply. The creativity of a young boy is endless.

Peaceful_Mind

There are multiple objects in your example. But as an individual object, such as the earth or a human (singular), something was created and it persists, but the act of creation is in the past. Nice try, but sorry. It doesn't work. Go try another one. I know you have an endless supply. The creativity of a young boy is endless.

You are illogical here. In Arabic it works for both singular and multiple. When God says I created the human being in the best shape, it refers to all time. It refers to every human being until the Judgement Day. Obviously every human being is created in the best shape, not just Adam.

"Verily, We create man in the best conformation;"
Laqad khalaqna alinsana fee ahsani taqweemin

The highlighted word is written in Arabic in "past" tense form, but is translated and understood as a present tense. Same can be applied to verse 7930.