How do you pray?

IronSky

Peace to all,

Progod, actually the Quran does say many times to prostrate and pray, not just kneel or bow, prostrate means to fall to the ground with your face on the floor.

Heres an articles with some verse about prostrating in the Quran.

http//aaiil.org/text/hq/art/others/prostrate.shtml

Kurt

Bigmo

I was replying as to why it is "salawaat plural" and not "salaatain dual".
I believe wusta is moderate.
I believe it is a salaat that's performed by a group and has to be given priority over work.

What do you think of this analysis

Note that ( &#1609 in (Sura Al-Baqarah 223 and ( ) in (Sura Al-Isra 177 are the same "Salat" because these both ?Salat? has (&#1604 common with them indicating that these are the same ?Salat? as compared to ( &#1616 and ( &#1616 which are without (&#1604 with word (&#1616. (&#1604 in Arabic is equivalent to the word ?The? in English, indicating the importance of the middle prayer.

Samia

What do you think of this analysis

Note that ( &#1609 in (Sura Al-Baqarah 223 and ( ) in (Sura Al-Isra 177 are the same "Salat" because these both ?Salat? has (&#1604 common with them indicating that these are the same ?Salat? as compared to ( &#1616 and ( &#1616 which are without (&#1604 with word (&#1616. (&#1604 in Arabic is equivalent to the word ?The? in English, indicating the importance of the middle prayer.

Which "BOOK" is more definite in these three phrases

The BOOK
The History BOOK
The BOOK of History?

ayani

Iron that is an awesome website. the Ahmadiyya are an interesting bunch.

Jack

Peace all,

Progod, actually the Quran does say many times to prostrate and pray, not just kneel or bow, prostrate means to fall to the ground with your face on the floor.

pray = dua, salaat is entirely something else. Even the birds know their 'salaat' (2441)
If prostrate was limited to what you are suggesting the proper 'sujjud' would be falling to the chin, not the face (17107).

I'll give you some examples of how sujjud=traditionally translated as 'prostrate as in to fall down on to your forehead' cannot possibly fit

258 And We said "Enter this town, and eat from it as plentifully as you wish. And enter the passageway by crouching (sujjadan), and say "Our load is removed," so that your errors will be forgiven, and We will increase for the good doers."

1315 And to God prostrate (yasjudu) all who are in the heavens and the Earth, willingly and unwillingly, as do their shadows in the morning and the evening.

1649 And to God prostrate (yasjudu) all those in the heavens and all those on the Earth, from the creatures as well as the angels, and they are not arrogant.

2218 Did you not see that to God prostrates (yasjudu) what is in the heavens and what is in the Earth, and the sun and the moon and the stars and the mountains and the trees and what moves, and many of the people, and many who have deserved the retribution. And whoever God disgraces, then none can honor him. God does what He pleases.

Be weary of articles, the linked article was far from objective. Nor did it display any arabic. Many articles, even at this site can be misleading. Do the proper research yourself. Remember 1736

The tools I use to study are

http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/

http//www.submission.org/quran/webqt.php

http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

ignoramus

salam

sujood can have a metaphorical meaning in some parts of the Quran, yet still mean a physical prostration regarding salat.

salam

progod

Peace,

Only kharra lil-adhqaani can imply prostration. However it is literally falling to ones chin! Adhqaan is the plural of chin or beard. When you prostrate do you prostrate on your chin? Furthermore those verses that mention that mention the reaction of the faithful to the message. No one literally falls to their chins! This is obviously an expression. If we are going to look at it literally the word can only mean 'to fall to your chin' in whch case I can only image someonee sitting down holding their chins in through or awe.

Also sajada can mean to prostrate or to venerate. I think from its usage in the Quran its primary meaning is to venerate and that the old way of doing this was to prostrate. Especially considering that masjid is a place of veneration can apply to any place of worship. So honestly I think that the real meaning here is the veneration, as well as the bowing or even prostration in veneration. In my eyes all of these count. and raka&a is the real command to bow or kneel with no ambiguities.

Godbless,
Anwar

IronSky

Peace to all,

I understand what your saying progod, i have no problem with anyone who doesnt actually prostrate themselves physically, i myslef do it and believe its important but thats just me, i feel need to submit myslef physically not just mentally, also doesnt a verse in the Quran say that you will see the marks of the submitters on their foreheads because of their prostration, this cant be metaphorical too can it.

PICKTHAL Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel - like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers - that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense reward.

Kurt

progod

Peace,

I hate to say but yes this can also be literal or metaphorical. wajh does not necessarily have to be face. the Quran uses wajhun sometimes more like selves or souls. The verse literally says "seemaa hum fee wujoohihim min athari sujoodihim"

If you look up marks in a Quran search and see seemaa this doesn't have to be physical mark, it can also be a characteristic. Wajh as i explain can be face, countenance or self/soul and sujood veneration. Is it possible to see the marks/characteristics of worship/veneration in a a person or even in his face when you come across him. Very possible. Especially since the sentence before that is 'taraa hum rukka&an sujjadan yabtighoona fadlan min allahi wa ridwaan' This is indicating that you will see the signs and affect of worship on them when you see them bowing and worshipping.' I can't really even add to that, and I don't think I should have to .

Godbless,
Anwar

alalmakt

Peace Progod,

I was just wondering why it would specifically mention forehead and not just their face in general.

Peace,
Ali

ignoramus

salam all

you may wish to know that many points being discussed in this thread have been raised in this one "Sujud" http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15172.0 .

salam

progod

Peace,

I gues the translation says forhead but not the Arabic. The Arabic says wajh. And forhead is jabeen and another word I can't remember now. I think it is jibhah.

Godbless,
Awar

Wakas

= Waw-Jiim-ha = to face/encounter/confront, face, will, course/purpose/object one is pursuing, place/direction one is going/looking, way of a thing, consideration/regard.
wajh n.m. (pl. wujuh) 2112, 2115, 2144, 2144, 2144, 2149, 2150, 2150, 2177, 2272, 320, 372, 3106, 3106, 3106, 3107, 443, 447, 4125, 56, 56, 5108, 652, 679, 729, 850, 1026, 1027, 10105, 129, 1293, 1296, 1322, 1450, 1658, 177, 1797, 1828, 1829, 20111, 2139, 2211, 2272, 23104, 2534, 2790, 2888, 3030, 3038, 3039, 3043, 3122, 3366, 3924, 3960, 4317, 4727, 4829, 5129, 5448, 5527, 6722, 6727, 7522, 7524, 769, 8038, 8040, 8324, 882, 888, 9220

wajih n.m. (adj) 345, 3369

wijhah n.f. 2148

wajjaha vb. (2) perf. act. 679
impf. act. 1676

tawajjaha vb. (5) perf. act. 2822

Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 304, 305

From http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

Bigmo

I do the traditional Sunni salat 3X a day because I like it and I think it is beautiful.

What are the timings and ho many rika'a

drfazl

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Prayer is,
Apply the verses in real life,
As the revelatiion fits your sensibilities.

Never seperate prayer from every minute of your life;
And put it in a cage, the mosque/prayer room.

the_seeker

Salamun Alaykum brothers and sisters,

I voted "I pray by bowing and prostrating but dont add the Mohammad is the messenger part" because this is what I believe and what I and my family have been doing after some time of confusion and floating along.

Insha Allah with more information we will be able to reconcile our salat with what is in the Quran when it points to three contact prayers.

I found the link http//www.quran-islam.org/165.html very useful.

Peace... jedi

Alen

Salam,
Respectfully.

I pray according to The Quran.
When i tried to pray 5 times a day, sunnis said that a person who works in the kmitchen doesn't have the time for 5 prayers.

Occasionally i would hear this sentence"Alen, if you're gonna go pray, pray, but make it quick."

Peace.

YahTayVoleem

Peace.

I am under the impression that prayer is twice a day, based on the so many references to those who glorify there Lord morning and evening.

YTV

siki

Peace.

I am under the impression that prayer is twice a day, based on the so many references to those who glorify there Lord morning and evening.

YTV

ya. me too , have finally come to the same conclusion.

first light to sunrise, and sun set to last light , seem like two precise natural/celestial parameters, specially when these two have been given proper names , isha and fajar.
The whole day is left for you to work (because that is what you are here for). other times you can remember him , in anyway , where ever you are.
Isha as per traditional understanding cannot have the whole night time span, cause that would overlap the optional tajhood salat, and would not match with the other two clear/precise and resonable time spans to carry out an extremly important specific duty for him , and him only.
The whole night has been given to you, if you want to earn some extra credit, Only the very interested would like to do that , seems very logical to me.

5.The necessary cleansing (ablution ), very logically, has been attached with when you get up in the morning, and before you retire after a working day

siki

AlFajr

ya. me too , have finally come to the same conclusion.

first light to sunrise, and sun set to last light , seem like two precise natural/celestial parameters, specially when these two have been given proper names , isha and fajar.
The whole day is left for you to work (because that is what you are here for). other times you can remember him , in anyway , where ever you are.
Isha as per traditional understanding cannot have the whole night time span, cause that would overlap the optional tajhood salat, and would not match with the other two clear/precise and resonable time spans to carry out an extremly important specific duty for him , and him only.
The whole night has been given to you, if you want to earn some extra credit, Only the very interested would like to do that , seems very logical to me.

5.The necessary cleansing (ablution ), very logically, has been attached with when you get up in the morning, and before you retire after a working day

siki

I agree, although I believe everyone should try and pray at least part of the night, because in one verse it mentions all 3 times (before sunrise, before sunset -> sunset and Night)

I thought ablution was before every prayer?

Peace
Al