Does Quran prohibit ?
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whome are you talking about??
Why are you evading the question of your PEARL of knowledge about "Nisaa" ??
Would you please let me know the source of your knowledge ??I am not evading any thing. I am asking a serious question Are/were you Leoxyz? Yes or no will do
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The translators have translated the word Mohsinnati as married women. which is incorrect. It simply means chaste women...
Not only that , the word Ma Malakat Aymanukum, has been translated as " those who become widowed", what a blatant, lie by the translator( who so ever he is).
siki,
The married women in the translation corresponds to mohsanaati min an-nisaa. Nisaa = women. That is; there is women in the Arabic text. So the mohsanaat are the chaste ones of the nisaa. Who are those nisaa?
In the previous verse the nisaa are mentioned as wives (ummahaatu nisaa ikum mothers of your wives) and as mothers (nisaa ikumu'l?tee dahaltum bihinyour wives whom you have slept with).
Wives and mothers are both married. And since the conjunction wa in the beginning of 424 joins this verse in meaning to the previous one, we must conclude that the mohsanaati min an-nisaa are chaste ones of the married women.
Am I wrong?
Peace,
Hasan Akcay -
Salaam Hasan, all, especially those who think muhsanaat=chaste
It is easy to find out if a woman is married or not; but chaste? How? Are we going to follow rumors, forgetting verses496; 244 (muhsanaat can also commit fahisha 425). Even a convicted zaania is considered chaste after serving her punishment (245). How can you divide women, especially believing women (since marrying an idolatress or a non believer is prohibited) into chaste and not chaste?
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Peace
You want to say that Quran advocates 'sex discrimination"??
Do you want me to say that? whatever
If we are keeping in line with the context I had mentioned before than yes. Of course those who fail to discriminate between the sexes may have a little judgement problem.
Joe
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whome are you talking about??
Why are you evading the question of your PEARL of knowledge about "Nisaa" ??
Would you please let me know the source of your knowledge ??Do you realize you're not fooling anyone who's seen your previous incarnations, Leoxyz?
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Salaam Hasan, all, especially those who think muhsanaat=chaste
It is easy to find out if a woman is married or not; but chaste? How? Are we going to follow rumors, forgetting verses496; 244 (muhsanaat can also commit fahisha 425). Even a convicted zaania is considered chaste after serving her punishment (245). How can you divide women, especially believing women (since marrying an idolatress or a non believer is prohibited) into chaste and not chaste?
"Chaste women" is actulaly the wrong translation of "mohsanaat" but it has to be used in order to save words. Mohsanaat (with SAD) actually means women under protection. All muslim women are under the protection of Islam.
However, some non-muslim women such as the Jews and Christians are mohsanaat too "mohsanaat"u min ellez?na uutu'l Kitab (55). Can we assume that they are self-protected?
Peace,
Hasan Akcay -
Salaam Hasan, all, especially those who think muhsanaat=chaste
It is easy to find out if a woman is married or not; but chaste? How? Are we going to follow rumors, forgetting verses496; 244 (muhsanaat can also commit fahisha 425). Even a convicted zaania is considered chaste after serving her punishment (245). How can you divide women, especially believing women (since marrying an idolatress or a non believer is prohibited) into chaste and not chaste?
Dear Samia
Where have you been learning Arabic ???
The actual verse is244
245
245 is clearly about those ones who accuse the chaste women.How is it declaring Zania females to be 'Chaste".
Before you said that- "Rajulun" does not primarily means "man"
- "Nisaa" is not plural of "imraatun"
Is this the standard of Quranist scholarship ???
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siki,
The married women in the translation corresponds to mohsanaati min an-nisaa. Nisaa = women. That is; there is women in the Arabic text. So the mohsanaat are the chaste ones of the nisaa. Who are those nisaa?
In the previous verse the nisaa are mentioned as wives (ummahaatu nisaa ikum mothers of your wives) and as mothers (nisaa ikumu'l?tee dahaltum bihinyour wives whom you have slept with).
Wives and mothers are both married. And since the conjunction wa in the beginning of 424 joins this verse in meaning to the previous one, we must conclude that the mohsanaati min an-nisaa are chaste ones of the married women.
Am I wrong?
Peace,
Hasan AkcayYes , you are. the previous verse is spelling out incest , and almost all of them could be unmarried including your mother (she could be a widow now)
Mohsinat ul minna nissa, chaste women, out of women ( every category)
mohsinat minan mominnat, chaste women out of believing women,
Mohsinnat outul kitab, chaste women out of the followers of the previous scriptures.
Hassan , the red part of your statment is incorrect. If God is prohibiting the married ones any way , why does he has to spell out the Mohsinnats (chaste ones out of the women)?
And how about this
24-4And those who launch a charge against chaste women(mohsinnat), and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after for such men are wicked transgressors;-24-23 Verily, those, who calumniate chaste women(mohsinnat),who are unwary(Ghafillat),and/but believing(mominnat) , are cursed in this world and the hereafter. And for them is a grievous chastisement
Hassan ,
Try fitting any other difinition of the term "Mohsinnat" in the above two verses and find for yourself.
peace
siki
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Dear Samia
Where have you been learning Arabic ???
...Is this the standard of Quranist scholarship ???
Leoxyz is just like bacteria. He replicates and replicates.
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almost all of them could be unmarried including your mother (she could be a widow now)
The NISAA IKUM in 423 literally means YOUR WIVES. That is what I am saying, literally. They could be widows now, yes; but that makes no difference. God?s truth is that NISAA IKUM in 423 means your wives, who are married women rather tan merely women. You can see the difference between NISAA IKUM and NISAA, can?t you?
Peace,
Hasan Akcay -
Peace hassan
I can understand your confusion now
you are referring to umahhati nissakum, or kinda mother in laws. Brother , the word nissakum has been used here instead of "Azwajukum"(nikahed wives) . The Allmighty has intentionally used this word to cover all the women with whom you have legal sexual relationships, like MMA etc. It even covers your illegal sexual relations .
It simply means that mother of some one with whom you have sexual relations, are "Haram" for ever. It is like, If i am sleeping with some one , she is my girl /my woman, is'nt she?
siki
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Salaam Hasan, all, especially those who think muhsanaat=chaste
It is easy to find out if a woman is married or not; but chaste? How? Are we going to follow rumors, forgetting verses496; 244 (muhsanaat can also commit fahisha 425). Even a convicted zaania is considered chaste after serving her punishment (245). How can you divide women, especially believing women (since marrying an idolatress or a non believer is prohibited) into chaste and not chaste?
salam samia
I guess we have debated this statement of yours a couple of times, in length some time ago. If you have some new argument, i am all eyes and ears hail.
siki
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salam samia
I guess we have debated this statement of yours a couple of times, in length some time ago. If you have some new argument, i am all eyes and ears hail.
siki
First I never discussed this very issue before with you or with anyone else.
Second do you believe that a zani or a zania, after having been punished, then repented and done well, are not forgiven and not considered chaste again? -
Salaam Hasan, all, especially those who think muhsanaat=chaste
It is easy to find out if a woman is married or not; but chaste? How? Are we going to follow rumors, forgetting verses496; 244 (muhsanaat can also commit fahisha 425). Even a convicted zaania is considered chaste after serving her punishment (245). How can you divide women, especially believing women (since marrying an idolatress or a non believer is prohibited) into chaste and not chaste?
Sister Samia,
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't every woman "chaste" until proven guilty? I mean If someone accuses a woman of misconduct, aren't they required 4 witnesses, etc.? If they can't prove it, then the woman is chaste, no?
Peace
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Sister Samia,
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't every woman "chaste" until proven guilty? I mean If someone accuses a woman of misconduct, aren't they required 4 witnesses, etc.? If they can't prove it, then the woman is chaste, no?
Peace
So according to Quranist explanation the ladies in the "red light areas 'running brothels are "CHASTE" because there are no four witnesses.
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So according to Quranist explanation the ladies in the "red light areas 'running brothels are "CHASTE" because there are no four witnesses.
bravo bravojeechatter,
I am not sure but I believe that those "ladies" will be declared "un-chaste" because, in a genuine case where there is no tangible evidence, there will probably be more than 4 who will vouch for their "guilt". Consider the following example. There are a couple of friends. 1 of them is about to get married to a girl. A friend from his group of 10 friends "thinks" (or "knows", however you like it) that the girl is "un-chaste" and accuses her of being so in front of his about-to-get-married friend, who naturally would (& should, in the essence of being fair) ask him to prove it, if he is truthful. So, he, along with 3 more of his friends (male or female), says that they have seen the girl at a "red light" area and that should settle this matter, I think.
I must apologize to you, jeechatter, if I haven't been too helpful in answering your concern as I am not too proficient regarding the Book, as yet. But I do hope that God teaches me and helps me understand because I am very willing to learn from it.
Peace
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So according to Quranist explanation the ladies in the "red light areas 'running brothels are "CHASTE" because there are no four witnesses.
bravo bravoYes sherlock, innocent until proven guilty. As opposed to the traditional "girl fights off rapist and gets death penalty from imam/retard (delete as applicable)".