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Homosexuality is not wrong because it doesn't harm anyone. It is morally acceptable.
Actually, it does do harm, if we're going to be explicit. A lot of people carry the HIV virus without knowing it, for starters, and if I remember correctly it typically resides in the anal canal, and most bodily fluids. Regardless of that, penetration does actually weaken the lining and will more or less open the way for STDs to be transmitted.
Promiscuity does definitely harm people, there is no way out of that. And it is morally reproachable.
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Actually, it does do harm, if we're going to be explicit. A lot of people carry the HIV virus without knowing it, for starters, and if I remember correctly it typically resides in the anal canal, and most bodily fluids. Regardless of that, penetration does actually weaken the lining and will more or less open the way for STDs to be transmitted.
Promiscuity does definitely harm people, there is no way out of that. And it is morally reproachable.
I'm talking about homosexuality, not promiscuity. Heterosexuals can have anal sex as well.
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Peace Lobstor
2371 And if the truth were to follow their desires, then the heavens and the Earth and all who are in them would have been corrupted. No, We have come to them with their reminder, but from their reminder they are turning away.
Everyone wants different things. So that argument doesn't hold weight in reality. Only if everyone were clones would you be able to base morality on that rule.
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No, as a personal rule, you shouldn't do things to other you don't want others doing to you. If I don't want people lying to me, I try not to do that to others. It doesn't mean lying is always wrong, and I'm not basing morality on this rule, but it works if people follow it.
Morality is very complicated, and I guess a simple way to put it would be that you SHOULD do the things that benefit people the most, and avoid doing the things that harm people. -
No, as a personal rule, you shouldn't do things to other you don't want others doing to you. If I don't want people lying to me, I try not to do that to others. It doesn't mean lying is always wrong, and I'm not basing morality on this rule, but it works if people follow it.
Morality is very complicated, and I guess a simple way to put it would be that you SHOULD do the things that benefit people the most, and avoid doing the things that harm people.Peace Lobster,
I get where your coming from. Consider this... even pedophiles justify their acts (they say that the children where seducing them!). And they don't think it is harming anyone. They believe it is benefiting them as well as the child. Not all people are rational and have good moral standards and people can justify almost anything they want. But the reality is if the universe were run by people or chance, chaos would ensue. Think about this, if 1 million chimpanzees were mixing chemicals over the course of a billion years, could they create anything let alone the universe? How then can such a complex thing as the universe arise if it were the work of many powers all desiring different outcomes? The only way is if it follows 1 law. So if the universe follows the law of the creator, why don't we humans have to? Especially when guidance has come down to us482 Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? If it was from any other than God they would have found it very different.
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Peace Lobster,
I get where your coming from. Consider this... even pedophiles justify their acts (they say that the children where seducing them!). And they don't think it is harming anyone. They believe it is benefiting them as well as the child. Not all people are rational and have good moral standards and people can justify almost anything they want. But the reality is if the universe were run by people or chance, chaos would ensue. Think about this, if 1 million chimpanzees were mixing chemicals over the course of a billion years, could they create anything let alone the universe? How then can such a complex thing as the universe arise if it were the work of many powers all desiring different outcomes? The only way is if it follows 1 law. So if the universe follows the law of the creator, why don't we humans have to? Especially when guidance has come down to us482 Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? If it was from any other than God they would have found it very different.
It doesn't matter what people say or think, but what actually is. Sex with children is bad, regardless of what pedophiles think.
And morality and religion are independent. Morality doesn't exist because of religion.But what's "benefit" and what is "harm?"
Well I guess benefit would be something that leaves you in a better state than you were before, and harm does the opposite. What does the dictionary say?
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It doesn't matter what people say or think, but what actually is. Sex with children is bad, regardless of what pedophiles think.
You could say, Homosexuality is bad, no matter what gays thing. A few decades ago sex outside marriage was bad. So whats to say in a few years pedophilia becomes accepted. What people think changes, so its not a good metre by which to base your moral laws.
And morality and religion are independent. Morality doesn't exist because of religion.Well I guess benefit would be something that leaves you in a better state than you were before, and harm does the opposite. What does the dictionary say?
Are you saying there is a universal law that everyone innately knows about and follows? I don't understand what your getting at. I thought most athiests follow survival of the fittest?
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Lobster, i agree with you about not doing something that is harmful.
Condoning gay sex is against God's rule, and to go against our Creator, there will be punishment/harm.
So, conclusion, gay sex is harmful, --> morally wrong.Seems like we have to get back to God.
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You could say, Homosexuality is bad, no matter what gays thing. A few decades ago sex outside marriage was bad. So whats to say in a few years pedophilia becomes accepted. What people think changes, so its not a good metre by which to base your moral laws.
Are you saying there is a universal law that everyone innately knows about and follows? I don't understand what your getting at. I thought most athiests follow survival of the fittest?
Sex outside of marriage isn't bad. Marriage is just a superficial ritual which doesn't mean anything. Sex between two people who are not committed to each other is bad, and it always will be, regardless of what society thinks. The Aztecs thought human sacrifice was absolutely wonderful, but that doesn't mean it was right. Killing was wrong then and it's wrong now, and it always will be wrong, even if people think it's ok to kill.
Athiests have morals.
Morality is reached through reason, not through religion.
Let's say God decided what is right and wrong, then how do we know which voice of God is the true one? There are so many religions, which one is telling the truth? There has to be an independent standard by which you judge them to know which is true and which is false.
There are many people who don't believe in God or religion yet live moral lives.
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Lobster, i agree with you about not doing something that is harmful.
Condoning gay sex is against God's rule, and to go against our Creator, there will be punishment/harm.
So, conclusion, gay sex is harmful, --> morally wrong.Seems like we have to get back to God.
Interesting.Why is it against God's rules if it doesn't harm anyone?
There has to be a reason why God forbids something, if there is no reason, then most probably God didn't prohibit it in the first place.
We don't have to get back to God. We need to see how our world works and decide our morals based on that.God has created reality, and morality reflects that reality.
It is wrong to shoot people in the face because if you do that, they will die.
But what if our reality was different? Let's say our faces were made of bullet proof metal...then shooting people in the face wouldn't be so bad, would it? Maybe people would make a sport out of it.