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Why were these unique versions of the Qur'an later destroyed by fire?

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    belH
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    Peace belalhammad
    If people don't want to believe the Quran is from God that is their choice. It is not our job to convince people otherwise.

    1330 And as such, We have sent you to a nation as other nations that have come before, so that you may recite to them that which has been inspired to you; while they are still rejecting the Almighty. Say "He is my Lord, there is no god but He, in Him I place my trust and to Him is my repentance."
    1331 And if a compilation were to be used to move mountains, or to slice the Earth, or the dead were spoken to with it. No, to God is all matters. Did not those who believe know that if God wished He would have guided all the people? As for those who reject, they continue to be stricken with disaster or it comes near to their homes, until God's promise comes true. God does not break the appointment.

    Peace
    I try as much as I can to not talk in such topics; but sometimes I cannot help it rotfl
    Forgive me,
    Peace peace

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      AlFajr
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      Peace
      rotfl No need to ask for my forgiveness. I was just reminding you.

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        Peace
        rotfl No need to ask for my forgiveness. I was just reminding you.

        Peace, and may God Bless you. group

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          AlFajr
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          Peace, and may God Bless you. group

          Peace,
          God Bless group

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            Bahman
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            Peace
            Are you denying this?
            Peace.

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              Bahman
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              Peace
              nonbody has answered the question
              Was Quran burnt?
              Why?
              and if not burnt where is it?
              Peace

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                Bahman
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                Peace,
                God Bless group

                Peace
                You Grouping back to where you were parents belief. nope rotfl
                Peace

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                  Bahman
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                  Not to mention, you took your information from a crackpot christian advocacy site that supposedly uses the "Einstein method" to prove christianity.

                  Peace.
                  There are over bliion files about Burning Quran. I tried the second one and the article refers to Hadith stories which exist unless you deny Hadith and say that Quran never burnt. So what happened to original then.
                  Yopu may know the story in your way. I am intersted you and others instead of rnning into bush just answer the question
                  Was Quran Burnt?
                  Peace

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                    I was told and have read that Uthmann burned the Quran because there were many variations. He ordered all copies sent to him so he could go through them and find the right ones. He burned the rest.

                    Some say the Quran was meant to be memorized, until there was a big battle and so many of those who had memorized the Quran were killed - it was feared verses were lost.

                    Many Muslims support the idea that the very originals were supposedly written on leaves, bones, whatever could be written on.

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                      Wakas
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                      There are over bliion files about Burning Quran.

                      I typed "code 19 is false" into google and got over 2.7 million files, what does that mean?

                      Out of curiousity, is the evidence/argument you are bringing conform to Quranic criteria or does that not matter? rotfl

                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                        I was told and have read that Uthmann burned the Quran because there were many variations. He ordered all copies sent to him so he could go through them and find the right ones. He burned the rest.

                        Some say the Quran was meant to be memorized, until there was a big battle and so many of those who had memorized the Quran were killed - it was feared verses were lost.

                        Many Muslims support the idea that the very originals were supposedly written on leaves, bones, whatever could be written on.

                        Another false hadith in El-bukari.

                        I typed "code 19 is false" into google and got over 2.7 million files, what does that mean?

                        Out of curiousity, is the evidence/argument you are bringing conform to Quranic criteria or does that not matter? rotfl

                        rotfl rotfl

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                          Bahman
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                          I typed "code 19 is false" into google and got over 2.7 million files, what does that mean?

                          Out of curiousity, is the evidence/argument you are bringing conform to Quranic criteria or does that not matter? rotfl

                          Peace.
                          Those billions file either for Burning Quran or Code 19 do not mean all are pro or against.
                          I did not want to go trough so many files and first one I study I notice so many Hadith reports about it.
                          When you ask where God authored number 19 I say 7430
                          When I ask you simply Y Q Burned ?
                          If you know just give straight forward answer?
                          Was it Burned?
                          If yes then Y?
                          And what is your source either for burning or not burning ?
                          7431
                          Peace.
                          rotfl

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                            Bahman
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                            Another false hadith in El-bukari.

                            bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo
                            Peace.
                            So Quran was not BURNED?
                            Where is it. Time is precious and we are not in schoolyard playing games.
                            Just answer straight forward.
                            And
                            How many more false reports are there?

                            7431 rotfl
                            Peace ?

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                              Wakas
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                              If there are reports saying it happened, it may well have. Is it relevant? Perhaps once you actually realise the criteria AQ itself gives for determining its authenticity, then maybe you can get a better handle on it's relevance.

                              Please see this thread
                              http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16279.15

                              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                belH
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                                bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo
                                Peace.
                                So Quran was not BURNED?
                                Where is it. Time is precious and we are not in schoolyard playing games.
                                Just answer straight forward.
                                And
                                How many more false reports are there?

                                7431 rotfl
                                Peace ?

                                The Quran you are looking for is in your house (Or in your hand). Please, Relax and trust your Lord when he promised to protect the Quran
                                Peace giveup

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                                  Bahman
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                                  The Quran you are looking for is in your house (Or in your hand). Please, Relax and trust your Lord when he promised to protect the Quran
                                  Peace giveup

                                  Peace
                                  You are diverting the topic to protection that is different subject .
                                  If you have any evidence for such claim welcome . sun
                                  But
                                  My question is simple and clear.
                                  Was Q Burnt?
                                  Y?
                                  7431 giveup
                                  Peace.

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                                    Bahman
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                                    Peace.

                                    If there are reports saying it happened, it may well have.

                                    Seems you have doubt about reports when you use ?MAY? )

                                    Is it relevant?

                                    When you naswer question straight forward yes or no then we see how revalant is my question unless you like to keep your shell and do see the facts and truth.

                                    Perhaps once you actually realise the criteria AQ itself gives for determining its authenticity, then maybe you can get a better handle on it's relevance.

                                    Parotting same thing all time is wasting our time. I have stated many times that may people like you which know good Arabic as second language or you are Arab can see those deep pudding in Quran when majority of earth habitant do not have such knowledge and Quran can not authentic without a simple proof to be witness world wide regardless their language. When context of Quran is same older scriptures and is same as those. Unless you tell us
                                    Was Quran Burnt and if No where is Original ?
                                    And if you say Yes WHY?
                                    I see tone of distribution in you response and I hope you do not ban me for saying these things here . peace
                                    Please response straight forward Yes or No.
                                    7431 )
                                    Peace.

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                                      Salaams All,

                                      for what its worth i doubt the ayah is talking about a book.

                                      Normal translation;
                                      159
                                      We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it .

                                      Using Q.d
                                      159
                                      We have without doubt revealed the good report/ Admonition/ Honour and status/ means of exaltation and We assuredly its guardians.

                                      Nearly every set of people know what leads to exaltation- yet they have the choice of following it or not, thus the Zikr( the knowledge) is preserved in every community is it not?

                                      I think Br. Layth did some heavy research regarding the original and the modern quran............but as yet i havent seen his conclusions- but may be i have missed them.

                                      Gods Blessings.

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                                        Salam,

                                        Zikr means rememberance, reminder or something called to mind (or some variation thereof).

                                        Salam,
                                        Arnab

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                                          belH
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                                          Salaams All,

                                          for what its worth i doubt the ayah is talking about a book.

                                          Normal translation;
                                          159
                                          We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it .

                                          Using Q.d

                                          159
                                          We have without doubt revealed the good report/ Admonition/ Honour and status/ means of exaltation and We assuredly its guardians.

                                          Nearly every set of people know what leads to exaltation- yet they have the choice of following it or not, thus the Zikr( the knowledge) is preserved in every community is it not?

                                          I think Br. Layth did some heavy research regarding the original and the modern quran............but as yet i havent seen his conclusions- but may be i have missed them.

                                          Gods Blessings.

                                          Salam,

                                          Zikr means rememberance, reminder or something called to mind (or some variation thereof).

                                          Salam,
                                          Arnab

                                          Peace
                                          Zeker is the Book is the Quran. Please read the following evidences from Quran

                                          (&#1641

                                          We have, without doubt sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (15-9)

                                          Please allow me to explain the Following
                                          The English word ? Message?, in the privious verse, is being used to translate the Arabic word ? Al-Zekr?. In other words, God, in the previous verse, guaranteed to guard the ?Al-Zekr?.

                                          In The following verses the word ?Al-zekr? were used to tell us something that we should remember
                                          (&#1636
                                          (We sent them) with Clear Signs and scriptures and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought. (16-44)

                                          Here Al-Zker is what The Prophet Mohamed wrote for us, so he can show us what was revealed to him, in order for us to think.

                                          (&#1632
                                          And this is a blessed Message which We have sent down will ye then reject it? (21-50)

                                          Here, God worn us to not disbelieve the ?Al-Zekr? content.

                                          (&#1641
                                          "He did lead me astray from the Message (of Allah) after it had come to me! Ah! the Evil One is but a traitor to man! (25-29)

                                          Here, God is Telling us about someone, who went astray by not following the ?Al-Zekr?.

                                          (&#1641
                                          We have not instructed the (Prophet) in Poetry, nor is it meet for Him this is no less than a Message and a Qur'an making things clear (36-69)

                                          Here, God is telling us that The ?Al-Zekr? is the Al-Quran.

                                          (&#1633
                                          Those who reject the Message when it comes to them (are not hidden from Us); and indeed it is a Book of exalted power. (41-41)

                                          Here, God is telling us that ?El-Zekr? is ?El-Ketab? (The Book).

                                          My Friend, please do not let "Code 19 plot" lead you to doubt and disbelieve the Clear and Decisive verses that prove that ?El-Zker? can not be tampered with.

                                          Peace

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