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    youssef4342
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    Peace Everyone group
    This is an excert from www.livius.org (a nice site featuring "Articles on Ancient History&quot, about a review Luxenberg's Syrio-Aramaic reading of the Quran.

    "Q 56 You who believe, when you are about to pray, wash your faces and your hands up to the elbow, wipe your heads, wash your feet up to the ankles. The word arjulakum 'your feet' just like the words for 'face' and 'hands' is written in the accusative case, so it is seen as the object of the verb 'to wash', that only occurs once in this verse. According to the transmissions of the text by Ibn Kathir, Abu Amr, Abu Bakra and Hamza however it is arjulikum. This means the same, but is in the genitive case, just like the word for 'head'. In this version the genitive case is used because of the preposition 'over' (your heads) and because 'feet' has the same case a silent 'over' needs to be understood with '(and wipe over) your feet'. Now the question is do the feet need to be washed before prayer or is wiping them sufficient? According to some Islamic interpreters both texts are correct, since under normal circumstances people will wash their feet before prayer, but where there is no water, wiping them suffices. The combination of the two different transmissions thus delivers the full revelation as intended by Allah." http//www.livius.org/opinion/Luxenberg.htm

    My Personal Note is that... well there wasn't any Vowel Marks (Tashkeel/Harakat) in the Original Arabic, so what i personally conclude is that, It is "Wipe" your feet, because God Almighty lists the steps in order (i.e Wash, wash, Wipe, Wipe), Other wise, By His Ever-flowing grace, He would have stated the steps as Wash, Wash, Wash, Wipe.
    *Also, Personally, i Wipe the sole of my feet, which seems most logical, as it is one step, from toes to heel...

    ~ Praise & Thanks Be to His Most Blessed Majesty; YHWH, Who endowed us with His Laws & Commandments ~
    yay

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      mmkhan
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      My Personal Note is that... well there wasn't any Vowel Marks (Tashkeel/Harakat) in the Original Arabic, so what i personally conclude is that, It is "Wipe" your feet, because God Almighty lists the steps in order (i.e Wash, wash, Wipe, Wipe), Other wise, By His Ever-flowing grace, He would have stated the steps as Wash, Wash, Wash, Wipe.
      *Also, Personally, i Wipe the sole of my feet, which seems most logical, as it is one step, from toes to heel...

      Salaam brother,

      How do you know about absence of vowel marks brother? Even if it was not there, forget about it, Allah is gonna ask you only from what was given to you and not about what was given to people before us.

      About washing your feet, 56 has a pattern as per that I understand that we have to wash our feet.

      May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
      Mohammed M. Khan

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        youssef4342
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        Salaam brother,
        How do you know about absence of vowel marks brother? Even if it was not there, forget about it, Allah is gonna ask you only from what was given to you and not about what was given to people before us.
        About washing your feet, 56 has a pattern as per that I understand that we have to wash our feet.
        May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
        Mohammed M. Khan

        Peace Mohammed peace
        The original arabic did not have any vowel marks because it is well known that these vowels were developed later on laugh
        If yuo check older Quranic manuscriptes, you will find that they are missing these vowel marks (e.g golden koran).
        Thus if vowel marks were not given to the people before us as divine inspiration, how can we know that these vowel marks are 100% accurate? since ethey were developed After...

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          JavaLatte
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          Salaam brother,

          How do you know about absence of vowel marks brother? Even if it was not there, forget about it, Allah is gonna ask you only from what was given to you and not about what was given to people before us.

          About washing your feet, 56 has a pattern as per that I understand that we have to wash our feet.

          May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
          Mohammed M. Khan

          Salaam, Bro mmkhan. )

          I'm still learning this (whether wash or wipe the feet? Or may we do both, wash & wipe the feet)?

          Would you explain more why you think it means wash the feet?

          Thank you.

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            mirjamnur
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            Salam all
            for this topic an excellent article from brother Joseph
            http//quransmessage.com/articles/washing-wiping%20FM3.htm
            Salams

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              youssef4342
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              Well, i have recently changed my views.
              I now follow Rashad Khalifa as the messenger of the covenant 381.
              He taught to wash your feet...

              I recommend going through and studying

              Mathematical Miracle of the Quran
              http//www.masjidtucson.org/quran/miracle/index.html

              Messenger of the Covenant
              http//www.masjidtucson.org/submission/faq/messenger_of_covenant.html

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                mmkhan
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                Salaam, Bro mmkhan. )

                I'm still learning this (whether wash or wipe the feet? Or may we do both, wash & wipe the feet)?

                Would you explain more why you think it means wash the feet?

                Thank you.

                Salaam JavaLatte,

                Let me try explaining it inshaAllah. There is a clear pattern set in 56, you may need to understand that pattern.

                56
                56 O you who have believed, when you rise to prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.

                I have divided this aayat in 3 parts with different colors to make it understand easily.

                = Wash
                = Wipe

                includes - wujuhAkum and - aydiyAkum and - arjulAkum. You can notice "fatha" that sounds like "A" in these words from red highlighted part.

                includes - ruoosIkum. Please note "kasra" that sounds like "I" in this word from red highlighted part.

                includes - wujoohIkum and - aydIIkum. Please note "kasra" in both the words which is used because of same as used in the red part above . And "fatha" is used to refer .

                means "and but He intends to purify/clean you". And legs are parts that get more dirty than other parts of our body mentioned in 56 to wash and wipe. How could we get clean just by wiping our feet? The purpose of ablution is to clean/purify us.

                Hope this may help inshaAllah.

                May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
                mmKhan

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                  Bender
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                  Salaam,

                  I agree with mmKhan.

                  In 7124 the feet have the same "value" as the hands, thus both will be "LaoqatiAAanna" in 56 that is not the case.

                  7124
                  7124 LaoqatiAAanna aydiyakum waarjulakum min khilafin thumma laosallibannakum ajmaAAeena

                  Salaam,
                  Bender

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                    mmkhan
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                    Salaam,

                    I agree with mmKhan.

                    In 7124 the feet have the same "value" as the hands, thus both will be "LaoqatiAAanna" in 56 that is not the case.

                    7124
                    7124 LaoqatiAAanna aydiyakum waarjulakum min khilafin thumma laosallibannakum ajmaAAeena

                    Salaam,
                    Bender

                    Salaam brother,

                    Thank you for this aayat handshake

                    May Allah bless you,
                    mmKhan

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                      Ayisha
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                      Well, i have recently changed my views.
                      I now follow Rashad Khalifa as the messenger of the covenant 381.
                      He taught to wash your feet...

                      Sorry Youssef but so did every other prophet back to pre-history. Washing the feet is a sign of respect, it was done thousands of years ago when entering temples and when entering someone's home they washed your feet.

                      peace

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                        Mazhar
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                        Peace Mohammed peace
                        The original arabic did not have any vowel marks because it is well known that these vowels were developed later on laugh
                        If yuo check older Quranic manuscriptes, you will find that they are missing these vowel marks (e.g golden koran).
                        Thus if vowel marks were not given to the people before us as divine inspiration, how can we know that these vowel marks are 100% accurate? since ethey were developed After...

                        Those who developed these conjectural stories perhaps were not even aware that Arabic is a language of syllables, and the smallest syllable comprises of a consonant coupled with a vowel. Minus vowel there is no Arabic language except for conjecture mongers and fools.

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                          Mazhar
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                          These are two different parts of the body--medical experts also treat them as two parts distinct from each other. Water is to be flown from toes towards anckles-thus methodology of washing is also indicated. "Masah" is for only one part of the body.

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                            Wakas
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                            In my view, the logic of the verse implies "wipe". But I dont mind either wash/wipe.

                            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                              herbman
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                              Salam,

                              does arjulakum mean "your feet" or "your legs"?

                              thanks

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                                Noon_waalqalami
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                                Salam,

                                does arjulakum mean "your feet" or "your legs"?

                                thanks

                                Peace herbman -- note hands to the elbow bottom up; same with feet to the ankles...

                                56 O you the ones who believe when you stand up to the prayer so wash your faces and your hands to the elbow and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles and if you are impure so purify yourselves and if you are sick or on journey or comes one from you from the toilet or you touched the women so not you find water so do dry ablution ground clean so wipe with your faces and your hands from it not intends The God to make over you from harm in doing and nonetheless intends to cleanse you and to complete His favor over you that you may give thanks

                                In my view, the logic of the verse implies "wipe". But I dont mind either wash/wipe.

                                Peace Wakas, one cannot wash using clean soil/ground.

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                                  Bender
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                                  Salam,

                                  does arjulakum mean "your feet" or "your legs"?

                                  thanks

                                  Salaam herbman,

                                  I think feet.
                                  See the next verse please
                                  665 Say "He is able to send retribution from above you or from below arjulikum, or He will make you belong to opposing factions, then He will let you taste the might of each other." See how We dispatch the signs, perhaps they may understand.

                                  Salaam,
                                  bender

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                                    good_logic
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                                    Peace all.

                                    I do not see any issues in " wipe you heads" as separate from the other three parts.

                                    Why did God say " wipe your heads"?

                                    Because the head has got hair and " wash your head "means your hair also!

                                    Now ablution is an instruction to obey God. It is not meant for hygiene purposes.

                                    " wipe your heads" is quick and easy. " Wash your heads" is complicated and a long process.

                                    Some will want to argue for the sake of it! Can you imagine if it was " wash your heads"? Some will want to include shampoo or forbid it, or forbid different types of shampoo and so on...

                                    Why do we make things complicated?

                                    Peace.

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                                      Bender
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                                      In my view, the logic of the verse implies "wipe". But I dont mind either wash/wipe.

                                      Salaam,

                                      I also think it's not important if you wash or wipe. I think it's important that every reader does it in the way he understand it in the best way.

                                      Salaam,
                                      Bender

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                                        good_logic
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                                        Peace All.

                                        Remember, we are diverse. The main thing is that ablution is four parts

                                        1-Face, 2- arms/hands 3- head and 4-feet.

                                        How you do it , how many times you wash each part, how much water you use, which direction you face, what you say while doing it ... is left to the individual. Quick and easy is preferable!

                                        Whether you use a small amount of water is irrelevant. The other main point is " Wash" and "wipe" , wipe is meant for " head" as I explained in my last post.

                                        Good ablution to you all.

                                        Peace.

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                                          mirjamnur
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                                          Salam everybody
                                          anyone from you read the above link what i give?? He explains the matter very good. - in my humble view.
                                          peace

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