perhaps i am not a Muslim...
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Salam farida. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, is a quote from the bible, wherein esa asked the people who were going to stone a woman for adultery, if they were without sin. Remember the context of the question, John 82-11, the context was that of a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. Since you bring up this verse, why does this verse come to mind? I ask you, have you been caught in the act of adultery?
The scribes and the pharisees brought the woman to esa, claiming she has been caught in the act of adultery. Esa wrote in the ground twice, while stating "let he who is without sin cast the first stone at her" The scribes and pharisees left one by one, nobody asked them to leave, they left of their own accord. Then Esa asked the woman "where are your accusers" The woman LIED and said "no man" The woman knew there were accusers, she knew who they were, and lied claiming there were none. Esa then said "neither do I accuse you" because Esa had not seen her in the act.
Esa was following the hudood of Allah. He knew that in order to convict her of adultery, he needed four witnesses. The same rule as in the Quran. Esa did not forgive her, he said "neither do I accuse you" However make no mistake, if four witnesses had stood there and accused her, the stoning to death punishment would have most likely been carried out. Esa knew she had sinned, he told her so when he said "go and sin no more"
Your claim that I have slandered you is FALSE. Your claim of slander is FALSE. The claim of adultery is most likely TRUE. You are going from possible adultery to false claims of slander.
Slander is oral defamation. A defamation spoken by the mouth. There is no words from anyones mouth in this forum, everything is written, therefore there CANNOT be a slander in this forum. Defamation is "the injury to a persons character, fame, or reputation by FALSE... AND... malicious statements" If in fact a woman has not received a talaq, and gets another nikah, that is per se adultery. Therefore, since the woman HAS another two nikahs and no talaq from the first nikah, the statement of adultery is TRUE, and not NOT FALSE, and CANNOT be defamation.
I have noticed that you are going from thread to thread in this forum, in anger, because you are annoyed that I said, a woman without a talaq who marries another man has comitted adultery. That is the general rule whether it annoys you or not. I will not conceal the word of Allah. If this general rule fits your personal situation, nothing more needs to be said. You wont be stoned to death because there are not four witnesses and I am not a qazi. You are making false and malicious claims that I am a slanderer. THAT... IS... DEFAMATION AND LIBEL.
Allah is the best of those who judge.
Yes Allah is the best of the Judge but itlooks lke you're trying to take over holding stones in his hand to hit woman after woman.
You mind is sick; that's all I can see from your post's and yes every time you would try and preach to others about US Women I will respond as you have no right what so ever to speak on behalf of believing muslim women. police -
Salam farida. Yes my mind is sick to you, because my mind belongs to Allah. Allah says to stone if there are four witnesses, do you reject and oppose Allah and conceal the truth when you know the truth. Believing women do not commit adultery, an unbelieving woman who commits adultery is not a spokesperson for believing women.
Allah is the best of those who judge.
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Salam farida. Yes my mind is sick to you, because my mind belongs to Allah. Allah says to stone if there are four witnesses, do you reject and oppose Allah and conceal the truth when you know the truth. Believing women do not commit adultery, an unbelieving woman who commits adultery is not a spokesperson for believing women.
Allah is the best of those who judge.
Yes you are very sick man in my eyes and don't say salaam to me keep it to yourself. Your mind does not belong to Allah it belongs to Satan.
Learn this is how a believer thinks
O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion (speculation) , indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting)] . And fear All?h. Verily, All?h is the One Who forgives and accepts repentance, Most Merciful. (49-12)
(Gossips are what believers will always hear, and truth is what they will always seek.
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Salam samia. Deuteronomy 1126 You can therefore see that I am placing before you both a blessing and a curse. 1127 The blessing if you obey the commandments of God your Lord, which I am prescribing to you today 1128 The curse if you do not obey the commandments of God your Lord, and you go astray from the path that I am prescribing for you today, following other gods 1132 you must carefully keep all the rules and laws that I am prescribing to you today.
Deuteronomy 2222 If a man is found lying with a married woman, both the woman and the man lying with her shall be put to death. 2224 Both of them shall be brought to the gates of that city, and they shall be put to death by stoning. the girl because she did not cry out in the city, and on the man, because he violated his neighbor's wife.
Allah is the lawgiver. Glory be to Allah who established all the laws for man. Labbaik Allahumma Labbaik, In Al Hamda Lakkawal Mulk, Labbaik Alahumma Labbaik.
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Salam farida. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, is a quote from the bible, wherein esa asked the people who were going to stone a woman for adultery, if they were without sin. Remember the context of the question, John 82-11, the context was that of a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. Since you bring up this verse, why does this verse come to mind? I ask you, have you been caught in the act of adultery?
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" can be used in any scenerio. It is atrocious to ask if farida has been caught up in the act of adultery because she referred to it. Allowing your mind to go straight to the negative is disgraceful.
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Deuteronomy 2222 If a man is found lying with a married woman, both the woman and the man lying with her shall be put to death. 2224 Both of them shall be brought to the gates of that city, and they shall be put to death by stoning. the girl because she did not cry out in the city, and on the man, because he violated his neighbor's wife.
Peace,
Why skip verse 23?
<< Deuteronomy 22 >>
Young's Literal Translation22 'When a man is found lying with a woman, married to a husband, then they have died even both of them, the man who is lying with the woman, also the woman; and thou hast put away the evil thing out of Israel. 23 'When there is a damsel, a virgin, betrothed to a man, and a man hath found her in a city, and lain with her; 24 then ye have brought them both out unto the gate of that city, and stoned them with stones, and they have died -- the damsel, because that she hath not cried, being in a city; and the man, because that he hath humbled his neighbour's wife; and thou hast put away the evil thing out of thy midst.
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Salam farida. Go and
Alla is mighty wise.
Na na na I?m not going anywhere I?ll be right here police you.
sin no more
Think again! Verily thy Lord is ample in forgiveness, so avoid GREAT SINs and shameful deeds and justify not yourselves with a twist of your wording/tongues and SLANDER not a believing woman by calling it defamation and then say that you are within hudood.
For Allah is with His Servants Well-acquainted, WATCHFUL.
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"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" can be used in any scenerio. It is atrocious to ask if farida has been caught up in the act of adultery because she referred to it. Allowing your mind to go straight to the negative is disgraceful.
Dotty, salaam
I think we may be wasting words. What this man says goes beyond shamelessness and ridicule. I do not know whether it is out of lack of brain or abundance of inner rage or bitterness over not being a woman or what, but I think he gets kicks out of enraging people and then kicking some more.
It is a joke and and may be it is not be fair to take it as something else.
Salaam
P.D. In fact, for all I know he may well be what he has accused somebody else of being a troll.
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Dotty, salaam
I think we may be wasting words. What this man says goes beyond shamelessness and ridicule. I do not know whether it is out of lack of brain or abundance of inner rage or bitterness over not being a woman or what, but I think he gets kicks out of enraging people and then kicking some more.
It is a joke and and may be it is not be fair to take it as something else.
Salaam
P.D. In fact, for all I know he may well be what he has accused somebody else of being a troll.
Salaam huruf,
My responses are not necessarily only for Al Araf. Sometimes it's necessary to expose brutality.
I am however, getting closer to finding out what
<<<<<<<<<<< this ignore button is all about. DPeace
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Salaam huruf,
My responses are not necessarily only for Al Araf. Sometimes it's necessary to expose brutality.
I am however, getting closer to finding out what
<<<<<<<<<<< this ignore button is all about. DPeace
Dotty, salaam,
Please, where, what, which is that button. Tell me. I had no idea, where is it and how do youuse it? Reveal it to me.Thanks and salaam
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Dotty, salaam,
Please, where, what, which is that button. Tell me. I have no idea, where it is and how to use it? Reveal it to me please.Thanks and salaam
Salaam huruf,
Sometimes, we wish to ignore someone to avoid heartaches, but if we want to get to the bottom of the truth we need to inquire more and more and just because someone uses his keyboard to accuse other does not mean anything except that there is a disease in his heart.
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Salam dotty. Allah decides what is disgraceful and not any human being.
This is not about "going to the negative" This is about farida claiming SHE has been slandered when a reply was given to her question about having a second nikah with no talaq from the first nikah, and my reply that such conduct is adultery.
Farida identified HERSELF personally as the woman in question, when SHE claimed she had been slandered. I made no "going to the negative" FARIDA made the identification herself.
If Farida had kept her question in the abstract, there would not have been a problem. However, she is backbiting her husband, claiming his actions are evil, when in fact the actions she claims are evil are well within the limits for a momin. Then farida attempted to blackmail me into silence with a device, which was to claim she had been wronged by me. Whereas, I demonstrated her claim of wrong is false, there is no slander, and her claims of slander are libellious.
If a person posts a question in the abstract, the reply is in the abstract. If a person posts a question in the person, the reply is to the person. False protests do not put out the light of Allah with that persons mouth.
Allah separates the truth from falsehood.
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Salam nun de plume. Deuteronomy identifies certain classes of persons, their actions, and the punishment for their actions.
The post was a reply to samia's question. Samia asked me to provide the hudood of Allah regarding stoning in the case of a married woman who "marries" another man. I quoted the RELEVANT verse identifying the class of persons under discussion.
Deuteronomy 2223 did not identify the class of persons under discussion. Thank you for your question.
Allah established the hadd haramna.
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I do not know how you get into the thing about bibliolatry and seem to hang it on me. If you read a book, it either tells you something or not, ... ... I hope that getting meaning and sense out of something is not some "latry". It is in a book, is could be in the gutter in the sky anywhere where you see something that speaks to you en enlightens you...
As to the "violence prone muslims", I think I have had my fill of havint to answer for that when I know none of them
I am not hanging anything on you personally, but your reply shows there is room for fine tuning
You can not read in a book ?what it says?. This is the error bibliolatry is based on.
You can only take out of it what you your self put into it. The meaning of words in a book is exclusively defined by culture, ultimately by the reader.
That is why there is ALWAYS, and will always, be disagreement. And in matter of religion usually to the point of war and slaughter.
That is why god?s means of communication is NOT human language but direct transfer from him to your knowledge system. Inner knowing is immediate and flawless.
If you can find truth in the gutter, it is god speaking to you. Then you are not a bibliolatrist. bravoShocking to learn perhaps, but human language, written words, are part of the process of INvolution away from god, it reduces perceived reality from gods infinite creation to a finite and very limited collection of concepts/words. This reduction constitutes down fall.
Reversely, the Evolutionary return, the reconnection with god/creation that is in process as we speak, will include a return of gods system of communication and make the old system secondary if not redundant. The implication is that books and religions as we know them now will no longer exist. This is to happen very soon.
Until then, read carefully what I wrote books can be helpful in awakening what is already within you. But what is already within you depends on what you allowed in. Many allowed the violence of their culture, the very thing that religion seeks to overcome.
You may have had your fill as you put it in above quote, that?s fine.
But you are in denial when you say you do not know of any violence related to the ?islam and violence? topic, I suggest youtube.I fully agree whit what you say about political interference. However, being invited/pressed to kill is still not the same as actually doing it. The difference being personal responsibility and the abuse of gods gift of free will.
The Powers That Be who orchestrate the affairs of the world have long ago identified the muslim world as a suitable and eager party to manipulate into violence and war for the purpose of instilling FEAR into the sheeple as a means of control and excuse for ever more legislation that will eventually lead to total control and slavery.
Unfortunately, the reaction from the Islamic world proved them right.
Fortunately however, their (TPTB) time is up. God is playing his cards now and there is no stopping him. Soon this will become apparent.I wish you?d more carefully read what I write;
I never said that ?no muslims are speaking up against a twisted interpretation of the Quran?.
I often said/implied that many do, but added that there is no agreement among them.
I also explained why that is human language is NOT the tool for spiritual affairs, its scope is limited to the illusionary and very limited 3D world of our own making (with satan as our behind the scene director).
Only gods language is suitable for spiritual affairs; the wordless language of the heart.
It is your gut feeling, intuition, conscience, inner knowing and inner reception of messages or answers to questions asked that show the way.
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