Happy Ramadan
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Peace Belal,
Happy Rammadan
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http//aa.usno.navy.mil/graphics/Moon_movie.gifYou don't even know the meaning of the Arabic word "ramadan". So how can you wish happy something that you don't know to people?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
You don't even know the meaning of the Arabic word "ramadan". So how can you wish happy something that you don't know to people?
Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Ayman
I would relly appreciate if you could tell me the meaning of the Arabic word "Umar"?
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Today 9/1/08 is the first fast day right??? Some say it was on aug 30...
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Ra-Miim-Dad = to be burning, heat, be blasted by the sun. ramaDda - to sharpen (a spear) between stones, roast, pasture on a burning ground, burn. ramDda - scorching heat, burning hot (ground). ramadzan - the ninth month of Islamic calendar, the month of fast.
ramadan n. 2185
Source http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
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Peace Farida,
I would relly appreciate if you could tell me the meaning of the Arabic word "Umar"?
peaceI assume that you are asking about the proper name Umar (since you capitalized the U). The proper name Umar is meaningless. It is just a meaningless label. It is as meaningless as other proper names such as Farida and Ayman. Hence those names are not translated when we speak in English. As for the common noun, you can see the meanings here
http//www.baheth.info/all.jsp?term=
I hope that you can see why it is not surprising that people who don't know what "ramadan" means are clueless about when it occurs because they assume that the word is meaningless and thus completely ignore it. In reality it is not meaningless and the meaning fits perfectly in the context of determining the timing.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
You don't even know the meaning of the Arabic word "ramadan". So how can you wish happy something that you don't know to people?
Peace,
Ayman
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Ayman, calm down! Do you experience this state of Stress (Fojoor) every Ramadan?
Are you Angry because you are the only so called Moslem (and your Sects) who believes that Ramadan in June and fasting is Ten Days?
Will confused? !that could cause Stress.Now, my advice to you is to either reevaluate your position, or come up with a logic conclusion that can make sense to you (so you can feel better and make peace with yourself) and maybe Moslem would listen to it.
Now, What does Rammadan Means?
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Peace Belal,
Ayman, calm down! Do you experience this state of Stress (Fojoor) every Ramadan?
Are you Angry because you are the only so called Moslem (and your Sects) who believes that Ramadan in June and fasting is Ten Days?
Will confused? !that could cause Stress.
Now, my advice to you is to either reevaluate your position, or come up with a logic conclusion that can make sense to you (so you can feel better and make peace with yourself) and maybe Moslem would listen to it.
Now, What does Rammadan Means?As I said and you admitted, you don't know what "ramadan" means. You should find out what it means instead of wasting your time on empty rhetoric.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Farida,
I assume that you are asking about the proper name Umar (since you capitalized the U). The proper name Umar is meaningless. It is just a meaningless label. It is as meaningless as other proper names such as Farida and Ayman. Hence those names are not translated when we speak in English. As for the common noun, you can see the meanings here
http//www.baheth.info/all.jsp?term=
I hope that you can see why it is not surprising that people who don't know what "ramadan" means are clueless about when it occurs because they assume that the word is meaningless and thus completely ignore it. In reality it is not meaningless and the meaning fits perfectly in the context of determining the timing.
Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Ayman,
I am sorry I should have written "omar"/ but, as there is no capital in the turkish language, dont take it as name but just a an Arabic word and I will appreciate if you could give me its meaning please!!!!
peace
BTW farida means unique and I don't use a capital as you can see above. -
Salaam Ayman,
I am sorry I should have written "omar"/ but, as there is no capital in the turkish language, dont take it as name but just a an Arabic word and I will appreciate if you could give me its meaning please!!!!
peace
BTW farida means unique and I don't use a capital as you can see above.The word as RSW pointed out means prosporous, full of life, long-living, etc. As with all translations, it would really depend on the context which of the meanings one would use. So it would help if you put it in a sentence.
As for "farida" meaning unique, if you are using it as a common noun then you should translate it in this English conversation like all common nouns. It is only proper names that are not translated. Capitalization is not the main criteria since we don't speak in capital and yet we are able to tell in a conversation a proper name from a common noun. We can tell based on context.
I hope I have answered your question.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
Are you saying we should fast/abstain (from food, sex, und so weiter) in the hottest month of the year instead of a particular month in the lunar calendar which may be a very cool one? If that's the case, it's not really Ramadan here in Pakistan because the weather's improved; it's not so hot anymore.
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Peace Supernaut,
Are you saying we should fast/abstain (from food, sex, und so weiter) in the hottest month of the year instead of a particular month in the lunar calendar which may be a very cool one? If that's the case, it's not really Ramadan here in Pakistan because the weather's improved; it's not so hot anymore.
Unfortunately, as you intuitively concluded, in Pakistan and elsewhere people generally ignore the clear meaning of the word "ramadan". So it is not surprising that sectarians are now fasting a completely random month. The common noun "ramadan" means "scorching" and "shahr" means "full-moon". So 2185 is giving us the marker as the "scorching full-moon" (also known as "red moon" in ancient cultures). This is a well-known universal cosmic phenomenon that occurs near the summer solstice (see my avatar) and that everyone can witness, not some arbitrary month in a manmade calendar. Please see the following article for more details
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm
Peace,
Ayman
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The word as RSW pointed out means prosporous, full of life, long-living, etc. As with all translations, it would really depend on the context which of the meanings one would use. So it would help if you put it in a sentence.
I hope I have answered your question.
Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Ayman
Thank you for addressing my question, the reason I asked this is becasue you are particular with words and their meaning, when you mentioned the second Khalifa Omar in one of your post, how come you called him Omar when he is long dead and can?t be called ?full of life?. Just as you only associate ramadan with scorching heat and would not accept it as a noun.
My opinion is that we always had a lunar calendar and there is a reason why we are supposed to experience abstention in all seasons in a cycle of 30 years. The Qur?an was first revealed during the hot summer time and that is a clue for the Leilatul Qadr and, I believe, as time went by, the month of fasting was given the name Ramadan as it was given that status.
peace
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Peace Farida,
Thank you for addressing my question, the reason I asked this is becasue you are particular with words and their meaning, when you mentioned the second Khalifa Omar in one of your post, how come you called him Omar when he is long dead and can?t be called ?full of life?. Just as you only associate ramadan with scorching heat and would not accept it as a noun.
You don't seem to know the difference between common nouns and proper names. I accept "ramadan" as a common noun not as a proper name. On the other hand, the proper name Omar is meaningless. As you said, we can be sure that people named Omar aren't more full of life than anyone else and that king Omar is long dead. I am also sure that many people named Omar lived a very short life. So as a proper name, Omar is meaningless and in fact it can be the opposite of what it commonly means. Now if you want to take words in 2185 such as "ramadan", "huda", "miskin" or any word in the passage as proper names which are meaningless and could mean the opposite of what is being said so that "ramadan" can be cold and "huda" can be lost and "miskin" can be rich then be my guest and good luck understanding the universal concepts that the god is communicating.
My opinion is that we always had a lunar calendar and there is a reason why we are supposed to experience abstention in all seasons in a cycle of 30 years. The Qur?an was first revealed during the hot summer time and that is a clue for the Leilatul Qadr and, I believe, as time went by, the month of fasting was given the name Ramadan as it was given that status.
Who gave this name Ramadan after the fact and when did he do it? Do you know the name of that person or who he is?
Also, are you talking about Leila the meaningless name or about the common concept of "night"? If you are talking about the common concept then you should translate it because unlike the proper name it is not meaningless. Same goes for "qadr" (measure) and "ramadan" (scorching).
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Farida,
Who gave this name Ramadan after the fact and when did he do it? Do you know the name of that person or who he is?
Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Ayman
It could be someone like you but surely he has a bigger following than you will ever have.
All I know is with time people start to give name to events you never know sometime in furture people will think 9/11 was some special day.peace
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Peace Farida,
It could be someone like you but surely he has a bigger following than you will ever have.
All I know is with time people start to give name to events you never know sometime in furture people will think 9/11 was some special day. peaceYour entire argument hinges on "ramadan" being a meaningless proper name. You admit that this name Ramadan is a name that someone who you don't know named after the fact of the revelation of the great reading. You don't know anything about this proper name or who invented it and all you can give is conjecture from your imagination. I advise you to ponder on this passage and hopefully see that there is a better way instead of empty boasting about number of followers
- These are but names that you named, you and your forefathers that the god never authorized. They follow conjecture and what the selves fantasize, while the guidance has come to them from their Lord.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace be upon all,
I'm still fairly new to studying the God's book as it should be studied and understood. Many times I come to this forum to try and find any new information that can help improve my understanding or something that I may have overlooked. I've been a true muslim by the God's permission for a year now and of course, like salat, fasting is an important topic to understand properly. To be honest, I'm a little disheartened by some of these posts, seeing some personal insults fly, which just doesn't aid arriving at the truth. Isn't it the TRUTH that should be of primary importance?
Let me say from the start that I am not trying to defend Br. Ayman per se but after being a sunni for 14 years, being fed so many lies against the God and His messengers, when people present their opinions I'd like to see strong evidence from the reading primarily relying on the meanings of words, context and 'tarteel' arranging similar verses for investigation. Since I am new, I have no particular leaning to anyone as I have not even met anyone here in person I only go by what people present as evidence. For me, since the God stresses often that this is an arabic reading then that tells me that the meanings of the words used in arabic is significant and of primary importance. It is and has proven very easy for people to in usage and the passage of time to convince others that certain words have certain meanings when they don't and have the true meanings forgotten. The God in His mercy, since He promised to protect this message, if one truly wants the real message and one studies the book as He tells us to, we can see clearly which of those words and concepts have become corrupted in people's minds and practice but not in the book.
As far as shahr ramadan is concerned, it seems a quite unjust assessment that the literal arabic word means 'scorching heat' and concepts related but yet the God intended that it would actually occur any time during the year. In my study of the reading thus far, I only find the God to be very precise, since He is the God, not like us humans being vague at times. Does anyone here for example believe it's just to assign an arabic word an english meaning that doesn't fit it literally and has it's own cultural background even if it 'seems' related? Like translating deen as 'religion' as opposed to 'obligation' or ibaadah (from 'abada' as 'worship' instead of 'service/ serving'. Otherwise, what would be the point of the God stressing that it's an arabic reading if we can just understand it how we like or someone else likes?
I agree with Ayman's study not because Br. Ayman did it but because in all fairness he presented an opinion with his evidence and I checked it out myself with the reading and I agree with it and I have no rebuttal for it either. However, that's because my basis is that it's an arabic reading, consistent, not an arab reading nor a sunni reading or whatever. Please let us all be sincere and scholarly in the study of the God's words as it is very serious. We can see how the many sects have gone far astray from abandoning true study of the book. Also, we can disagree, of course so let's just be respectful of each other in that regard. )
Sincerely,
Umm Tariq