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    phoenix1
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    pork?

    Peace Kyle,
    Yes that too, pretty much. I was thinking of going vegetarian at one point but I can't. I have to eat what my family eats so I do eat meat, but not pork, obviously.

    But I don't think that pork is any worse than other meats.

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      phoenix1
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      Peace Kyle,
      why do you think we aren't designed to eat meat?

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        phoenix1
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        Peace be upon you Ironsky,

        Why is pork of so much concern to you? Do you eat Rat? Why or why not?

        Rat stew is delish.

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          AlFajr
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          I think its pretty obvious why Kurt asked whether you consume alcohol and pork. Namely because according to the Quran Pork is forbidden and alcohol is satanic. I think you guys need to consider what you are trading God's guidance for.

          544 We have sent down the Torah, in it is guidance and a light; the prophets who have submitted judged with it for those who are Jews, as well as the Rabbis, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of God?s Scripture, and they were witness over. So do not fear the people but fear Me; and do not purchase with My revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the rejecters.

          1695 And do not purchase with God?s pledge a cheap price. What is with God is far better for you if you know.


          Regarding other meats being forbidden

          1614 And He is the One who committed the sea, that you may eat from it a tender meat, and that you may extract from it pearls that you wear. And you see the ships flowing through it, so that you may seek from His bounty, and that you may be thankful.

          5222 We will supply them with fruit and meat such as they desire.

          5621 And meat of birds that they desire.

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            God_Within
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            Peace be upon you Lobster,

            Meat eaters have fangs and substances in ther stomachs to fight the infections of eating an amimal. Humans have to tenderize thier meat to get around not having fangs, and makes effery effort to spice it up to taste like a vegetable. Meat takes a very long time for the human to digest. And there are many mor reasons I dont have memorized, but you can do an easy search to find many more examples.

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              God_Within
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              Peace be upon you,

              Lets first determine God's guidance before we accuse others of trading it.

              As for myself, I dont rely on only one man made book for guidance. Even if it is one of the best books for guidance. God says to trust in that which is INSPIRED to you and those before you.

              Why is it that you blindly believe that pork is bad , while rat meat, or turkey scrapple is good for you?

              Was there some sort of verification process that made you believe that, or because it is written in a book?

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                IronSky
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                Peace to all,

                and did you know that the absence of meat shrinks your brain?

                Thanks aalmakto, your spot on, so lobster doesnt eat pork, why not, is it harmful or immoral for you,, i thought you only follow reason, so is it unreasonable for us to eat pork, cause I used to love it, i still have a hard time turning down a bratwurst, my wife even tries to tempt me by cooking them and saying how much i used to love them,, yet I never touched pork once since I read the Quran and beleived it is from God, but oh well, to me mine and to you yours,

                Kurt

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                  AlFajr
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                  As for myself, I dont rely on only one man made book for guidance.
                  Was there some sort of verification process that made you believe that, or because it is written in a book?

                  Peace God Within,
                  If I thought the Quran was a man made book I probably would not be on this forum. So to answer your question, I believed it because it was written in "a book" as you put it.

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                    God_Within
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                    Peace be upon you,

                    and did you know that the absence of meat shrinks your brain?

                    Point me to a website or something where I can follow up what you say.

                    Thanks aalmakto, your spot on, so lobster doesnt eat pork, why not, is it harmful or immoral for you,, i thought you only follow reason, so is it unreasonable for us to eat pork, cause I used to love it, i still have a hard time turning down a bratwurst, my wife even tries to tempt me by cooking them and saying how much i used to love them,, yet I never touched pork once since I read the Quran and beleived it is from God, but oh well, to me mine and to you yours,

                    So you did no verification, you just believe and follow?

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                      We shouldn't eat pork, it is totally haraam! elektro

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                        AlFajr
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                        Peace be upon you,

                        Point me to a website or something where I can follow up what you say.

                        So you did no verification, you just believe and follow?

                        If a person has verified the Quran and accepted its claims of divinity would it not be hypocritical to then begin questioning every clear ruling . I am not talking about the vague verses here. But the verses that even a Layman can understand.

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                          IronSky
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                          Peace to all,

                          Yes, god within, sometimes beleiving is all we have, and when our reason conflicts with what God says, it is most likely our reasoning capacity that is wrong and not God, though I agree we should think, question, learn, and reason as much as we can, remember we are still using our own puny brains and limited intellect to think rationally, yet God is all knowing, so yes i try my best, but when in doubt I dont doubt God, so faith in God and absolute belief in him is the most perfect thing we can do when all else fails us.

                          And godwithin, heres a newsclip for starters that a recent atudy shows a strictly vegan diet shrinks your brain and other problems, nothing wrong with a bit of meat, though I refuse pork.

                          http//timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Eating_veggies_shrinks_the_brain/articleshow/3480629.cms

                          Kurt

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                            farida
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                            Peace be upon you,

                            Why is it that you blindly believe that pork is bad , while rat meat, or turkey scrapple is good for you?

                            Ask cannibals, they would confirm what pig meat tastes like. They call men long pig.

                            peace

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                              phoenix1
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                              Peace to all,

                              and did you know that the absence of meat shrinks your brain?

                              Thanks aalmakto, your spot on, so lobster doesnt eat pork, why not, is it harmful or immoral for you,, i thought you only follow reason, so is it unreasonable for us to eat pork, cause I used to love it, i still have a hard time turning down a bratwurst, my wife even tries to tempt me by cooking them and saying how much i used to love them,, yet I never touched pork once since I read the Quran and beleived it is from God, but oh well, to me mine and to you yours,

                              Kurt

                              Is eating pork harmful? That's the question. I've hardly ever eaten pork but I don't mind eating it much more than any other meat.

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                                phoenix1
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                                Peace be upon you Lobster,

                                Meat eaters have fangs and substances in ther stomachs to fight the infections of eating an amimal. Humans have to tenderize thier meat to get around not having fangs, and makes effery effort to spice it up to taste like a vegetable. Meat takes a very long time for the human to digest. And there are many mor reasons I dont have memorized, but you can do an easy search to find many more examples.

                                Peace

                                Alright thanks. I have to do more research on this. Khalil is a good source of information on diets, I might ask him.

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                                  foralgerian
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                                  been a while since the last time i visited this forum, few years back when i was searching for answers in life. in many ways, questions were answered after i found this website and some other progressive islam sites, as a matter of fact, i dont were hijab anymore, i dont do my prayers no more, i tried to eat pork (but got to quit coz of my cholesterol), tried some wine and beer (but didn't like the taste), i'm not even fasting this month of ramadhan. i dont know if i went overboard with my 'liberating' adventures, but i do know that after a while i started to feel like something is missing... i started to miss the rituals i used to do, started to miss my hijab, started to long the noise of azan from the mosques (don't hear it here in the US). i just feel like i want to go back to my old life being a 'regular' Muslim (which was a sunni,btw) not principally perhaps, merely nostalgic. dunno if any of you got the same kind of feelings i do, guess it's just a temporary drawback (hopefully...)

                                  Hi, I think it's normal to continue and question issues, it's far much better than the Sunni way, which consist into following the majority without questioning and without even thinking about it, as most of them are afraid, since they feel secure in their "ignorance", I was a Sunni by accident as many over here, and I don't regret a single day of moving forward and away from it. I feel much better now, and don't worry, he most important think is to stick with the Quran and ditch away all the Hadiths, this was actually my great achievement so far..

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                                    Supernaut
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                                    I think I once read that pork has a lot of nitrites in it which I think are supposed to be carcinogenic. A friend of mine came up with the idea once that the reason why consuming pork is forbidden is that pig organs can be used as implants, and eating pork increases resistance to pig organs, which makes them less suitable as organ implants.

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                                      foralgerian
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                                      I think I once read that pork has a lot of nitrites in it which I think are supposed to be carcinogenic. A friend of mine came up with the idea once that the reason why consuming pork is forbidden is that pig organs can be used as implants, and eating pork increases resistance to pig organs, which makes them less suitable as organ implants.

                                      Peace, I think there were so many theories about the reason behind God command to avoid eating Pig's meat, unless of course we were constrained to do so.
                                      My point is if a verse is clear than we ought to obey the command.
                                      Let's compile the CLEAR commands and move on.

                                      Peace

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                                        Supernaut
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                                        I understand what you're saying, but I also think it's important to know the deity's reason for issuing Its commandments.

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                                          IronSky
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                                          peace to all,

                                          why supernaut, maybe he knows something we dont know, is this a possibility for you? And maybe we should just have faith that he has his reasons we may not know yet.

                                          Kurt

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