Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace,
Curiously, what are you seeing as the pothole? This was actually one of the verses to show that 'shahr' must mean 'full moon' since a full moon is also a night event.
Full moons also happen during the day as this year and next three years...
Saudi Arabia ? Makkah (Ramadan North)
http//www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=151&month=7&year=2008&obj=moon&afl=-11&day=1Jul 18, 2008 Full at 1059 AM
Jul 7, 2009 Full at 1222 PM
Jun 26, 2010 Full at 231 PM
Jul 15, 2011 Full at 940 AMJohannesburg, South Africa (No Ramadan South)
http//www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?obj=moon&month=7&year=2008&obj=moon&afl=-11&day=1&n=111Jul 18, 2008 Full at 959 AM
Jul 7, 2009 Full at 1122 AM
Jun 26, 2010 Full at 131 PM
Jul 15, 2011 Full at 840 AMI think that, as you said, the scorching full-moon and thus the night of measure could happen twice a year, once for Northerners and another for Southerners so the night of measure could be twice a year. This is one possibility.
I think not, night is simultaneous in both the north and south hemispheres.
http//www.goglobalwarmingawareness2007.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/800px-earth-lighting-equinox_en.png
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Peace,
Full moons also happen during the day as this year and next three years...
I think not, night is simultaneous in both the north and south hemispheres.
Well done Nun peace
Peace Ayman
I think your thinking line is correct.
siki
Siki...How can you close your eyes to all the facts that Nun presented above and say (to Ayman) "I think your thinking line is correct"? nope
Your Propagnda to distort the truth is so obvious. But know that God will always show his Light to the believers no matter how many try to trun off.
All your and Ayman's Sect argumants are not based on Well-established Quranic Verses (or Signs). Thus, your Arrgumants = 0
Please read 3-7 to undserstand about people who do that.Again, well-done Nun.
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;D
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Peace anthony
So, what are you getting out from this Thread? Can you see the Truth?
peace
I havent really been following this thread latly. I havent been getting nothing out of it really, my mind somewere else right now. All I see is a bunch of blah blah blah and moons and calenders and all that other stuff and long posts with no evedence and I havent made time to study it.
But your posts do catch my attention thoe.
peace
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peace
I havent really been following this thread latly. I havent been getting nothing out of it really, my mind somewere else right now. All I see is a bunch of blah blah blah and moons and calenders and all that other stuff and long posts with no evedence and I havent made time to study it.
But your posts do catch my attention thoe.
peace
Peace;
I agree with you that most of what were posted are circular arguments. But the Quran argumants are not circular but straight ones; thus, behold your Quran when things become confusing. Look for the verses that were posted and collect them; and when you do, find a way to understand them, by which non of the verses is canceled out by other (God's verses will allways match).peace
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Brothers Nun and Belalhammad Peace.
Please consider the following facts.
"There is permanent night on half of the moon , and it's dark side has never witnessed the sun"
"Planet Venus's night equals 117 earth nights, and is the only planet which rotates clockwise, and hence the sun rises from the west, and sets in the east"
Now, being in knowledge of these facts , How can one not believe in Ayman's Red moon theory?
siki
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Peace siki,
Brothers Nun and Belalhammad Peace.
Please consider the following facts.
"There is permanent night on half of the moon , and it's dark side has never witnessed the sun"
"Planet Venus's night equals 117 earth nights, and is the only planet which rotates clockwise, and hence the sun rises from the west, and sets in the east"
Now, being in knowledge of these facts , How can one not believe in Ayman's Red moon theory?
siki
There is no "dark side" of the moon unless talking about Pink Floyd...lol
The moon get sunlight half the time same as earth because the moon also spins.We see the light side; they are in sync like a man/earth swinging a rope/gravity with ball/moon at the end.
Strange Sun, Earth & Moon Coincidences
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5h_qoHCn7kThis is irrelevant to the topic and there are countless other mysteries in the universe...
Are Cold Fusion reactors and Quantum Computers possible?
Do protons decay?
Does time decay?
Are Black holes, Dark matter, String theory, Super-symmetry ? is ?theory of everything? or even this life real?632 And the life the present/worldly life is not except playing/amusement and play things, and (the) end's (other life's) home (is) better to those who are righteous, so do you not reason?
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Peace,
Im starting to think. What similarities does Ramadan, and christian/Jewish fasting have?
I mean dont they also fast?
Rosh Hashanah
At the begining of the new year.. a little similar to what Ayman was saying.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah
It just leads back to the idea that perhaps previus scripture is important.Peace
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Peace siki,
There is no "dark side" of the moon unless talking about Pink Floyd...lol
The moon get sunlight half the time same as earth because the moon also spins.We see the light side; they are in sync like a man/earth swinging a rope/gravity with ball/moon at the end.
yes Oh , yes , you are right,
so , that means Ayman's theory is wrong, i suppose. confused
siki
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Peace Siki,
yes Oh , yes , you are right,
so , that means Ayman's theory is wrong, i suppose. confusedThe "dark side of the moon" is a misnomer. It is really the "far side of the moon" (relative to earth). I am not sure what this has to do with anything. All the phases of the moon are just optical phenomena that we perceive and no part of the moon actualy vanishes from existence when it is a crescent. It is always one and the same moon.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace,
Im starting to think. What similarities does Ramadan, and christian/Jewish fasting have?
I mean dont they also fast?
Rosh Hashanah
At the begining of the new year.. a little similar to what Ayman was saying.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah
It just leads back to the idea that perhaps previus scripture is important.Peace
Peace
The followig is quotations from your link, which shows that Jewish used to use Lunar Year, and they calculate the month from New Moon (Waxing Crescent) to the next New Moon (Moon Cycel).
Begin Quote
Jewish Year Starts (at sundown)
5769 29 September 2008
5770 18 September 2009
5771 08 September 2010Since the time of the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in 70 CE and the time of Rabban Yohanan ben Zakkai, normative Jewish law appears to be that Rosh Hashanah is to be celebrated for two days, due to the difficulty of determining the date of the new moon.
End Quote
They did what Ayman Believes we should do "Ignore the Waxing Crescent". Also, please note how there year is less than Solar Year by 10 days (They use Luar Year)
Salam
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Brother Ayman
salam
Any idea what 34-12 is trying to convey?
34-12 And (We made) the wind (subservient) to Sulaiman, which made a month's journey in the morning and a month's journey in the evening, and We made a fountain of molten copper to flow out for him, and of the jinn there were those who worked before him by the command of his Lord; and whoever turned aside from Our command from among them, We made him taste of the punishment of burning.
peace
siki
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Peace Siki,
Any idea what 34-12 is trying to convey?
34-12 And (We made) the wind (subservient) to Sulaiman, which made a month's journey in the morning and a month's journey in the evening, and We made a fountain of molten copper to flow out for him, and of the jinn there were those who worked before him by the command of his Lord; and whoever turned aside from Our command from among them, We made him taste of the punishment of burning.Umm Tariq and I had a brief discussion earlier on this. I don't think that we have reached anything conclusive. You may want to read her post and my reply
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg177971;topicseen#msg177971
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Siki,
I had to jump in again to comment on 3412. The translation you quoted is incorrect. There is no word for journey in the verse. The following is more accurate
3412 And to Solomon the wind/breeze, its early morning one full-moon, and its blowing quickly/briskly/violently in evening one full-moon ......................................
What this verse is talking about is the blowing of the wind forcefully in early morning alternating with blowing forcefully in evening at the command of Solomon. In other words, all this verse means is that Solomon was given control over when the wind blew with force. "Its early morning" implies "its blowing quickly/briskly in early morning", when contrasted with the second phrase "rawahuha shahrun".
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Truth seeker. salam
It has been quite long that i have learnt not to trust any translation, and reached the conclusion, that one has to burn one's own oil for deciphering the arabic.
Actually , i wana always quote the arabic, but some how , i havent been able to find an easy tool on the forum to do that (any suggestions) So whenever you find a translated verse from my side , just take it easy, cause i have casually picked up any translation which i can cut and paste, to convey a refrence, or a theme , I may not agree with the translator.Now coming to the verse it self , there is a word shahr in it , how do you fit in that?
peace
siki
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Peace Siki,
I was just trying to suggest a better translation and what I understood from the verse.
I think the usage of "shahr" here is idiomatic, referring to alternate time markers, implying that Solomon could order the wind to blow forcefully whenever he wanted, miraculously by God's permission. For example, to demonstrate a miracle from God, he could have told his people that he will command the wind to blow forcefully early in the morning this coming full-moon, and then the next full-moon after that he will command the wind to blow forcefully in the evening. God knows better!
To find out exactly what it means, we will have to travel back in time to Solomon's time or wait for Last Day and ask God or wait for Him to reveal its meaning before that. I think this verse is one of the "mutashaabihaat" (37).
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