SunDown Or Last Sun's Rays Out?
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siki,
if I understand your comments correctly, it seems you are implying I choose one option over another due to it allowing me to break fast quicker.I think your comment is a good indicator of the strength of your argument.
Perhaps, rather than asking who agrees with truthseeker, you should ask if anyone agrees with you.
Wakas,
After knowing you long enough I am not implying any thing, but just experimenting on a little bit of leg pulling. But then again , knowing you, it is a bit of surprise for me and I am afraid that is not pleasent enough. Did you really go through this thread thorougly? And if yes , do I dare ask , as to what made you still think that way ?
siki
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Wakas,
After knowing you long enough I am not implying any thing, but just experimenting on a little bit of leg pulling. But then again , knowing you, it is a bit of surprise for me and I am afraid that is not pleasent enough. Did you really go through this thread thorougly? And if yes , do I dare ask , as to what made you still think that way ?
siki
i have a question to ask, lets say there people living in areas of the world that there is daylight for months and night for months, how do they fast and when do they break it
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i have a question to ask, lets say there people living in areas of the world that there is daylight for months and night for months, how do they fast and when do they break it
Please see this article
fasting is only for those who witness the relevant full-moon / month.
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It may have only worked for those in the UK. I used that link because the new free-minds website does not seem to have all articles uploaded yet.
In any case, use this link instead
http//web.archive.org/web/20071102185353/http//free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htmYes, it is in Quran. I strongly recommend using sites like www.studyquran.org
Using the above site, one can simply look up the topic list under "R" for "ramadan" and you will see the verse I'm referring to there.
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i have a question to ask, lets say there people living in areas of the world that there is daylight for months and night for months, how do they fast and when do they break it
Anna! The article reference by wakas does not contain any answer to your question.
And also, I do not have a very satisfying answer for your intelligent querry. I have refered it to brother ayman in hot ramdhan thread, lets wait for his answer.
Interestingly though at this point in time , I agree with his revolutionary Schorching red moon theory, but minus his recommendation of breaking fast at sun set. Which I expect of him to amend, as we have stumbled upon some new evidence from the great reading in favour of layal not starting at sun set (Ghoroub/ Daluk ul shams)
siki
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Anna! The article reference by wakas does not contain any answer to your question.
And also, I do not have a very satisfying answer for your intelligent querry. I have refered it to brother ayman in hot ramdhan thread, lets wait for his answer.
Interestingly though at this point in time , I agree with his revolutionary Schorching red moon theory, but minus his recommendation of breaking fast at sun set. Which I expect of him to amend, as we have stumbled upon some new evidence from the great reading in favour of layal not starting at sun set (Ghoroub/ Daluk ul shams)
siki
thank you, i didnt find anything, but i was going to read through it again, maybe i had missed it the first time, but i see you have assured me now, i will wait for his answer. -
Let me put it as simply as I can
Ayman's article (http//web.archive.org/web/20071102185353/http//free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm) makes a case for "shahr" meaning "full-moon" and even references 2185, see quote below
- The full moon of scorching heat is when the reading was descended as a guidance for people and clarifications from the guidance and the criterion, so whomever witnesses the full-moon, let him abstain it. And whomever was sick or traveling so a count of other days. The God wants to facilitate and not make it hard on you. And so complete the count and magnify The God for what He guided you and perhaps you would be thankful.
I have highlighted in bold the relevant part to the question. If one is able to witness it, you then comply by swm/abstaining/fasting.
Thus, the only question you have to ask yourself is in the areas where it is daylight or night for months is it possible to witness such an event?
If you answer no, then you do not swm/abstain in that period and are given options in 2184. Simple.
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Let me put it as simply as I can
Ayman's article (http//web.archive.org/web/20071102185353/http//free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm) makes a case for "shahr" meaning "full-moon" and even references 2185, see quote below
I have highlighted in bold the relevant part to the question. If one is able to witness it, you then comply by swm/abstaining/fasting.
Thus, the only question you have to ask yourself is in the areas where it is daylight or night for months is it possible to witness such an event?
If you answer no, then you do not swm/abstain in that period and are given options in 2184. Simple.
Salaam Wakas
Ayman's article may make a case for you and a few others, but many of us who have given solid references from the Qur'an do not take his understanding of "shahr" meaning "full-moon" therefore please, do make it clear as a moderator that its not a unanymous understanding.
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Moderator or not, I would recommend no-one take anything they read from any source as fact/truth.
If they read my post, they should also read my signature.
And lastly, if you disagree with any article on free-minds, a rebuttal article is always welcome.
I personally have not reviewed Ayman's article I referred to, however the validity of the article was not the question, and the point I highlighted works just as well if you believe it means "month" as far as I'm aware.
Witness the month, abstain/swm it. Dont, then dont. Simple.
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Moderator or not, I would recommend no-one take anything they read from any source as fact/truth.
If they read my post, they should also read my signature.
And lastly, if you disagree with any article on free-minds, a rebuttal article is always welcome.
I personally have not reviewed Ayman's article I referred to, however the validity of the article was not the question, and the point I highlighted works just as well if you believe it means "month" as far as I'm aware.
Witness the month, abstain/swm it. Dont, then dont. Simple.
Salaam Wakas,
If you have not personally reviewed Ayman's aritcle then how come you said ....his makes a case for "shahr" meaning "full-moon" and even references 2185, see quote below?
Secondly just because there is no a rebuttal article does not means that Ayman?s version is acceptable to all on this forum. This subject was discussed in detail in the thread "Hot/"ramadan" Answer" refuting Aymans version.
Finally the new design of this website appear to sanction Ayman's vesion of Islam by saying In Islam, a Year is a luni-solar count made of 365-days (1712, 936), with all the seasons fitting-in-place Vs. Sunnis teaching it to be a lunar one based on 354 days which creates confusion of seasons and time?
This is clearly not the unbiased approach on this forum.
peace
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Finally the new design of this website appear to sanction Ayman's vesion of Islam by saying In Islam, a Year is a luni-solar count made of 365-days (1712, 936), with all the seasons fitting-in-place Vs. Sunnis teaching it to be a lunar one based on 354 days which creates confusion of seasons and time?
Salam sister Farida,
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597346.msg183768#msg183768
Nothing is different in the new site apart from the look and Content management system. The best person to contact about the articles themselves would be Layth I think.
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Salam sister Farida,
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597346.msg183768#msg183768
Nothing is different in the new site apart from the look and Content management system. The best person to contact about the articles themselves would be Layth I think.
Salaam Wakas and Aalmakto,
Thanks for clarification I only noticed it with new website may be its the new look that made me read the content properly. -[
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Salaam Wakas,
Finally the new design of this website appear to sanction Ayman's vesion of Islam by saying In Islam, a Year is a luni-solar count made of 365-days (1712, 936), with all the seasons fitting-in-place Vs. Sunnis teaching it to be a lunar one based on 354 days which creates confusion of seasons and time?
This is clearly not the unbiased approach on this forum.
peace
rotfl Now you can see Ayman every where
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Still confusing. Recently chatted with a fellow muslim (sunni). This conversation was during celebration of Eid. Well, he said fasting starts at time of first prayer (fajr) and ends after maghrib. Now the problem is, Fajr started at 525 am, and Maghrib would occur at 432 pm. Yet sunrise occurred at 705 am and sunset started at 432 pm. Here we have two seemingly different times for the start, yet same times for the ending of the fast. What gives?
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peace salaam4usa,
The person whom you spoke with does not follow The Quranic timing, but follows traditional timing. That is why you get the difference you have observed.
The Quran is very clear that swm/abstinence begins at morning twilight.
Whenever in such a discssion, simply ask for a reference, i.e. what they are basing their view on. Things are much clearer then.
