SunDown Or Last Sun's Rays Out?
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Let me put it as simply as I can
Ayman's article (http//web.archive.org/web/20071102185353/http//free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm) makes a case for "shahr" meaning "full-moon" and even references 2185, see quote below
I have highlighted in bold the relevant part to the question. If one is able to witness it, you then comply by swm/abstaining/fasting.
Thus, the only question you have to ask yourself is in the areas where it is daylight or night for months is it possible to witness such an event?
If you answer no, then you do not swm/abstain in that period and are given options in 2184. Simple.
Salaam Wakas
Ayman's article may make a case for you and a few others, but many of us who have given solid references from the Qur'an do not take his understanding of "shahr" meaning "full-moon" therefore please, do make it clear as a moderator that its not a unanymous understanding.
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Moderator or not, I would recommend no-one take anything they read from any source as fact/truth.
If they read my post, they should also read my signature.
And lastly, if you disagree with any article on free-minds, a rebuttal article is always welcome.
I personally have not reviewed Ayman's article I referred to, however the validity of the article was not the question, and the point I highlighted works just as well if you believe it means "month" as far as I'm aware.
Witness the month, abstain/swm it. Dont, then dont. Simple.
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Moderator or not, I would recommend no-one take anything they read from any source as fact/truth.
If they read my post, they should also read my signature.
And lastly, if you disagree with any article on free-minds, a rebuttal article is always welcome.
I personally have not reviewed Ayman's article I referred to, however the validity of the article was not the question, and the point I highlighted works just as well if you believe it means "month" as far as I'm aware.
Witness the month, abstain/swm it. Dont, then dont. Simple.
Salaam Wakas,
If you have not personally reviewed Ayman's aritcle then how come you said ....his makes a case for "shahr" meaning "full-moon" and even references 2185, see quote below?
Secondly just because there is no a rebuttal article does not means that Ayman?s version is acceptable to all on this forum. This subject was discussed in detail in the thread "Hot/"ramadan" Answer" refuting Aymans version.
Finally the new design of this website appear to sanction Ayman's vesion of Islam by saying In Islam, a Year is a luni-solar count made of 365-days (1712, 936), with all the seasons fitting-in-place Vs. Sunnis teaching it to be a lunar one based on 354 days which creates confusion of seasons and time?
This is clearly not the unbiased approach on this forum.
peace
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Finally the new design of this website appear to sanction Ayman's vesion of Islam by saying In Islam, a Year is a luni-solar count made of 365-days (1712, 936), with all the seasons fitting-in-place Vs. Sunnis teaching it to be a lunar one based on 354 days which creates confusion of seasons and time?
Salam sister Farida,
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597346.msg183768#msg183768
Nothing is different in the new site apart from the look and Content management system. The best person to contact about the articles themselves would be Layth I think.
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Salam sister Farida,
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597346.msg183768#msg183768
Nothing is different in the new site apart from the look and Content management system. The best person to contact about the articles themselves would be Layth I think.
Salaam Wakas and Aalmakto,
Thanks for clarification I only noticed it with new website may be its the new look that made me read the content properly. -[
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Salaam Wakas,
Finally the new design of this website appear to sanction Ayman's vesion of Islam by saying In Islam, a Year is a luni-solar count made of 365-days (1712, 936), with all the seasons fitting-in-place Vs. Sunnis teaching it to be a lunar one based on 354 days which creates confusion of seasons and time?
This is clearly not the unbiased approach on this forum.
peace
rotfl Now you can see Ayman every where
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Still confusing. Recently chatted with a fellow muslim (sunni). This conversation was during celebration of Eid. Well, he said fasting starts at time of first prayer (fajr) and ends after maghrib. Now the problem is, Fajr started at 525 am, and Maghrib would occur at 432 pm. Yet sunrise occurred at 705 am and sunset started at 432 pm. Here we have two seemingly different times for the start, yet same times for the ending of the fast. What gives?
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peace salaam4usa,
The person whom you spoke with does not follow The Quranic timing, but follows traditional timing. That is why you get the difference you have observed.
The Quran is very clear that swm/abstinence begins at morning twilight.
Whenever in such a discssion, simply ask for a reference, i.e. what they are basing their view on. Things are much clearer then.
