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    jankren
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    I think the constant fight between the sexes is a waste of time. Both sexes never stop vilifying each other.

    But you wanna know the truth? The truth is that both male and female babies cry when they are born but one baby will eventually face a world which discourages him to cry while the other baby will face a world which encourages her to cry. In other words it is all about the conditioning in society. So unless all of us decide to see what the others see we all will remain blind.

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      huruf
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      I think the constant fight between the sexes is a waste of time. Both sexes never stop vilifying each other.

      But you wanna know the truth? The truth is that both male and female babies cry when they are born but one baby will eventually face a world which discourages him to cry while the other baby will face a world which encourages her to cry. In other words it is all about the conditioning in society. So unless all of us decide to see what the others see we all will remain blind.

      Now you are getting serious. Wha you say is partially it. Only partially, because you still make the blunder of taking all males as a single piece. They are not a single piece. There are males, men, able to appreciate women for something else than the advantage they entail for them, and who, to protect women or to protect themselves must stand against other men, who ONLY see the advantages they can get from women in exchange for as little or nothing they can get away with. Those former men are not like the latter, not at all. The laws and the customs during centuries and even now support consistently the latter men as the standard of maleness, while they punish the former, because if the standard had been the former men, most probably there would never have been a need to long for a wome's lib, and that is what I mean when I say with womens lib what was done was the wrong way, trying to make women as beastly as men and not men as non beastly as women. It is self evident, that women cannot compete with men when it comes to beastlyness, because physiologically they don't have the means, therefore the bargain for women and for upright men is a loosing one, and therfore will attract larger number of men to the beastly field instead of to the decent field. So it is not a battle of the sexes, but of the predators against the preys and those who really have the balls (men or women) to stand to the predators. And please do not bring the argument that women do the same because they don't, they can't, not in significant numbers. When they can and they do, then it can be brought up. Now it would be a sneaky way of sidestepping issues large enough to include everybody.

      SALAAM

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        huruf
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        Sorry, double post.

        Salaam

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          belH
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          Peace all
          To all females; what is your understanding of the following verses

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          When she was delivered she said "O my Lord! behold! I am delivered of a female child!" And Allah knew best what she brought forth, "And the male is not like the female. I have named her Mary and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected." (3-36)

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          Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)? (150) Is it not that they say from their own invention (151) "Allah has begotten children"? But they are liars! (152) Did He choose Females over Males? (153) What is the matter with you? How judge ye? (154) Will ye not then receive admonition? (37-155)

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            SwedenMajidah
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            Peace all
            To all females; what is your understanding of the following verses

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            When she was delivered she said "O my Lord! behold! I am delivered of a female child!" And Allah knew best what she brought forth, "And the male is not like the female. I have named her Mary and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected." (3-36)

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            Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)? (150) Is it not that they say from their own invention (151) "Allah has begotten children"? But they are liars! (152) Did He choose Females over Males? (153) What is the matter with you? How judge ye? (154) Will ye not then receive admonition? (37-155)

            Peace Br Belal,

            As I have said before Allah not favour any of the genders. The only thing is that the genders are different from eachothers and that gives the answer to that the diffrencies attract eachother. God did create us like this for reproductions and for worshipping Him Alone.

            Maria

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              belH
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              Peace Br Belal,

              As I have said before Allah not favour any of the genders. The only thing is that the genders are different from eachothers and that gives the answer to that the diffrencies attract eachother. God did create us like this for reproductions and for worshipping Him Alone.

              Maria

              Now; are Angels Females?
              And the most important Question what is your understading of these verses

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              Did He choose Females over Males? (153) What is the matter with you? How judge ye? (154)

              Peace

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                SwedenMajidah
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                Now; are Angels Females?
                And the most important Question what is your understading of these verses

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                Did He choose Females over Males? (153) What is the matter with you? How judge ye? (154)

                Peace

                Peace,

                What I understand are the Angels genderless.

                Humans make genders a big issue not God and therefore these verses exist to remind us that we are equal.

                Maria

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                  belH
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                  Peace,

                  What I understand are the Angels genderless.

                  Humans make genders a big issue not God and therefore these verses exist to remind us that we are equal.

                  Maria

                  Ok; I will agree that Angels are not Females.

                  And for the second comment, Gender is a big isuee in our religion; after all, there are some guidences unique for Female and others for Male; thus, they are not equal, according to God, when it comes to guidences.
                  And finally, Females are creatuers that God blessed humans whe creating them. They are the Most Mercful being within Humans; and that is why I love them more than males, and I will keep doing this untill I die sun

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                    SwedenMajidah
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                    Ok; I will agree that Angels are not Females.

                    And for the second comment, Gender is a big isuee in our religion; after all, there are some guidences unique for Female and others for Male; thus, they are not equal, according to God, when it comes to guidences.
                    And finally, Females are creatuers that God blessed humans whe creating them. They are the Most Mercful being within Humans; and that is why I love them more than males, and I will keep doing this untill I die sun

                    Peace,

                    I am of course pleased to know that you love females more than you love males. The fact we have different task to do in our life not makes us less equal to eachother. God says we are equal in front of Him.

                    Maria

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                      belH
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                      Peace,

                      I am of course pleased to know that you love females more than you love males. The fact we have different task to do in our life not makes us less equal to eachother. God says we are equal in front of Him.

                      Maria

                      handshake
                      But also note that if I was not a Male, I would not love Females that much...I think confused rotfl

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                        SwedenMajidah
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                        But also note that if I was ot a Male, I would not love Females that much...T think confused rotfl

                        I love both males and females group

                        And Belal, don't mix sexual needs into this please

                        Maria

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                          belH
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                          I love both males and females group

                          And Belal, don't mix sexual needs into this please )

                          Maria

                          OOOPS; you misuderstood me; of course, part of my love affair for women is that; but the psychological part (The love and comfort of the relationship) is the most important part.
                          D

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                            SwedenMajidah
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                            OOOPS; you misuderstood me; of course, part of my love affair for women is that; but the psychological part (The love and comfort of the relationship) is the most important part.

                            OK OK I got it sun

                            peace

                            Maria

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                              jankren
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                              Now you are getting serious. Wha you say is partially it. Only partially, because you still make the blunder of taking all males as a single piece. They are not a single piece. There are males, men, able to appreciate women for something else than the advantage they entail for them, and who, to protect women or to protect themselves must stand against other men, who ONLY see the advantages they can get from women in exchange for as little or nothing they can get away with. Those former men are not like the latter, not at all. The laws and the customs during centuries and even now support consistently the latter men as the standard of maleness, while they punish the former, because if the standard had been the former men, most probably there would never have been a need to long for a wome's lib, and that is what I mean when I say with womens lib what was done was the wrong way, trying to make women as beastly as men and not men as non beastly as women. It is self evident, that women cannot compete with men when it comes to beastlyness, because physiologically they don't have the means, therefore the bargain for women and for upright men is a loosing one, and therfore will attract larger number of men to the beastly field instead of to the decent field. So it is not a battle of the sexes, but of the predators against the preys and those who really have the balls (men or women) to stand to the predators. And please do not bring the argument that women do the same because they don't, they can't, not in significant numbers. When they can and they do, then it can be brought up. Now it would be a sneaky way of sidestepping issues large enough to include everybody.

                              SALAAM

                              Ironically you treat women as a single piece also. Stop being blind and see what the others see.

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                                huruf
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                                But in this case they are a single piece and I have explained why. Are you blind yourself?

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                                  the_seeker
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                                  Salam
                                  I know that most of us are 'free-mind'
                                  However I wanna know to what extent do the men here are 'supposedly' free-mind..esp concerning women.
                                  As we all know,many women are oppressed by traditionalists..and your views to my question can have high impact on how women are regarded nowadays..
                                  Hmm by the way,bear in my that am not feminist D

                                  God bless everyone D

                                  I say let our sisters do what they want as long as they do not transgress God's limits for there should be no compromise on this aspect in our lives. if they are believers, they sure know what they are doing; they would know that they will be accountable to God & to their fellow men. besides as believers, satan >D would have no jedi power over them.

                                  what are we to do men? we should be flexible & be helpful around the house & in other aspects of our lives together (as husband & wife and/or as members of a family).

                                  as a matter of fact, i am doing our laundry now yay

                                  peace all. ramon.

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                                    Soraya
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                                    Peace
                                    Its rare to find Brothers like U Bro..
                                    Anyway..am sure we sisters all know about our limits..Alhamdulilah..

                                    Ty
                                    Fee Amanillah

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                                      the_seeker
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                                      Peace
                                      Its rare to find Brothers like U Bro..
                                      Anyway..am sure we sisters all know about our limits..Alhamdulilah..

                                      Ty
                                      Fee Amanillah

                                      peace sis

                                      we are not few...we are just silent...slowly breaking out of the stereotypes.

                                      remember that all cultures have stereotypes about females & males.

                                      the whole point is "sharing in the burden eases the life for all concerned."

                                      may we all have a blessed life ahead...

                                      ramon

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                                        jankren
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                                        But in this case they are a single piece and I have explained why. Are you blind yourself?

                                        Yeah, but as usual your explanation contains nothing but your own one-sided blind perception of the world around you without any factual basis.

                                        A survey by National Violence Against Women Organization reveals that 853,000 American men suffer from domestic violence.
                                        http//www.batteredmen.com/

                                        Right there in your face my fact proves wrong your twisted belief that 'most men are beastly' while 'all women are innocent angels'. Women are as likely as men to commit abuse when they have the opportunity and the means.

                                        Next time you offer an argument in a discussion please take some time to provide some facts.

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                                          afridi220
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                                          I love both males and females group

                                          And Belal, don't mix sexual needs into this please )

                                          Maria

                                          Maria welcome to the flower family ;D

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