Some Quranic Insights
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Mmmm and that could strongly suggest that Muhammed was in Jerusalem or Jordan..doesn
t it? And what about the Quran saying that hes bearing Bani-Israel the good news that hes sending to them a messenger called"Ahmed"? theres an argument that suggests that the names"Ahmed" and "Muhammed"are derived from the same source "Hamd" which means in arabic"giving thanks" ..Ahmed is a person who thanks God,while Muhammed is a person who thanks god a lot -exaggerative form from ahmed..
What could we make out of this?Not really there was a strong Jewish presence in Arabia at that time. Bani-Israel were living in Medina. Ahmed/Mohammed is like Israel/Jacob. Ahmed means 'more praiseworthy' and Mohammed means 'made praiseworthy'. Regarding Jerusalem, there is no House there and there is no important trade routes plus God says that it is a safe sanctuary! How is that possible if it was destroyed by Rome 500 years before the prophet.
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Not really there was a strong Jewish presence in Arabia at that time. Bani-Israel were living in Medina. Ahmed/Mohammed is like Israel/Jacob. Ahmed means 'more praiseworthy' and Mohammed means 'made praiseworthy'. Regarding Jerusalem, there is no House there and there is no important trade routes plus God says that it is a safe sanctuary! How is that possible if it was destroyed by Rome 500 years before the prophet.
Peace,Rami
Who said that Kaaba was safe?
Abd-Allah ibn al-Zubayr,an early Muslim who ruled Mecca for many years between the death of Ali and the consolidation of Ummayad power, is said to have demolished the old Kaaba and rebuilt it to include the hatm, a semi-circular wall now outside the Kaaba. He did so on the basis of a tradition (found in several hadith collections) that the hatm was a remnant of the foundations of the Abrahamic Kaaba, and that Muhammad himself had wished to rebuild so as to include it.
This structure was destroyed (or partially destroyed) in 683, during the war between al-Zubayr and Umayyad forces commanded by Al-Hajjaj bin Yousef. Al-Hajjaj used stone-throwing catapults against the Meccans. This episode has been depicted by many Muslim chroniclers as a black mark against the Ummayad caliph Yazid I, who ordered the campaign against Mecca. Yazid died in 683, the year his forces attacked the Hijaz.The Ummayads under Abdu l-Malik ibn Marwan finally reunited all the former Islamic possessions and ended the long civil war. In 693 he had the remnants of al-Zubayr's Kaaba razed, and rebuilt on the foundations set by the Quraysh. The Kaaba returned to the cube shape it had taken during Muhammad's lifetime.
During the Hajj of 930, the Qarmatians attacked Mecca, defiled the Zamzam Well with the bodies of pilgrims and stole the Black Stone, removing it to the oasis region of Eastern Arabia known as al-As, where it remained until the Umayyad ransomed it back in 952 CE.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba
Apart from repair work, the basic shape and structure of the Kaaba have not changed since then.[36
Quran makes a distinction between mecca and Bakka...and marking the town of piece in sura 95 by figs and olives-crops don`t grow in Arabia-and the Sinai mountain"By the fig and the olive(951)And the mount of ages(952)And this town of peace(953)"Peace,
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Peace,Rami
Who said that Kaaba was safe?
Abd-Allah ibn al-Zubayr,an early Muslim who ruled Mecca for many years between the death of Ali and the consolidation of Ummayad power, is said to have demolished the old Kaaba and rebuilt it to include the hatm, a semi-circular wall now outside the Kaaba. He did so on the basis of a tradition (found in several hadith collections) that the hatm was a remnant of the foundations of the Abrahamic Kaaba, and that Muhammad himself had wished to rebuild so as to include it.
This structure was destroyed (or partially destroyed) in 683, during the war between al-Zubayr and Umayyad forces commanded by Al-Hajjaj bin Yousef. Al-Hajjaj used stone-throwing catapults against the Meccans. This episode has been depicted by many Muslim chroniclers as a black mark against the Ummayad caliph Yazid I, who ordered the campaign against Mecca. Yazid died in 683, the year his forces attacked the Hijaz.The Ummayads under Abdu l-Malik ibn Marwan finally reunited all the former Islamic possessions and ended the long civil war. In 693 he had the remnants of al-Zubayr's Kaaba razed, and rebuilt on the foundations set by the Quraysh. The Kaaba returned to the cube shape it had taken during Muhammad's lifetime.
During the Hajj of 930, the Qarmatians attacked Mecca, defiled the Zamzam Well with the bodies of pilgrims and stole the Black Stone, removing it to the oasis region of Eastern Arabia known as al-As, where it remained until the Umayyad ransomed it back in 952 CE.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba
Apart from repair work, the basic shape and structure of the Kaaba have not changed since then.[36
Quran makes a distinction between mecca and Bakka...and marking the town of piece in sura 95 by figs and olives-crops don`t grow in Arabia-and the Sinai mountain"By the fig and the olive(951)And the mount of ages(952)And this town of peace(953)"Peace,
Ok but the problem is that Jerusalem is not safe. Actually the temple was grounded twice!! So we have to look into anothe place. Mesopotamia maybe?
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Ok but the problem is that Jerusalem is not safe. Actually the temple was grounded twice!! So we have to look into anothe place. Mesopotamia maybe?
Dear Rami,tell me of one place safe on this earth,everywhere we go,we kill and destroy!
I too am still researching,but Jerusalem itself seems like the rightest place,all the derivatives of its hebrew name suggests peace and harmony, yerusha shalom "Legacy of Peace"..Besides,God says there will be rejection and injustice
"They are the ones who rejected and barred you from the Sacred Temple, and barred your donations from reaching their destination. And there had been believing men and women whom you did not know, and you may have hurt them, and on whose account you would have committed a sin unknowingly. God will admit into His mercy whomever He wills. Had they become separated, We would then have punished those of them who rejected with a painful retribution.And he tells Bani-Israel
"If you do good, then it will be good for you, and if you do bad, then so be it. But when the promise of the second time comes, they will make your faces filled with sorrow and they will enter the Temple as they did the first time, and they will strike down all that was raised up.
It feels like a war or victory that enables us to enter the restricted temple-as we did the first time-and that the restricted temple has to do with Bani-Israel whom haven
t even once barred us from going to mecca as they dont care about Mecca..Peace..
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Dear Rami,tell me of one place safe on this earth,everywhere we go,we kill and destroy!
I too am still researching,but Jerusalem itself seems like the rightest place,all the derivatives of its hebrew name suggests peace and harmony, yerusha shalom "Legacy of Peace"..Besides,God says there will be rejection and injustice
"They are the ones who rejected and barred you from the Sacred Temple, and barred your donations from reaching their destination. And there had been believing men and women whom you did not know, and you may have hurt them, and on whose account you would have committed a sin unknowingly. God will admit into His mercy whomever He wills. Had they become separated, We would then have punished those of them who rejected with a painful retribution.And he tells Bani-Israel
"If you do good, then it will be good for you, and if you do bad, then so be it. But when the promise of the second time comes, they will make your faces filled with sorrow and they will enter the Temple as they did the first time, and they will strike down all that was raised up.
It feels like a war or victory that enables us to enter the restricted temple-as we did the first time-and that the restricted temple has to do with Bani-Israel whom haven
t even once barred us from going to mecca as they dont care about Mecca..Peace..
Peace
Ok, first the verse doesn't say restricted temple but simply temple. The originial temple was not surrounded by Jews but by Pagans. Second, this verse could be talking what Titus did in 66 CE. Third, the Dome was built by Marwan ibn Malik who was way after the prophet. How did the prophet and his followers did Hajj if there is no House?! But yes you could be right. It could be Jerusalem, but there is no shred of evidence that Solomons temple was there!
Peace,
Rami
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Peace
Ok, first the verse doesn't say restricted temple but simply temple. The originial temple was not surrounded by Jews but by Pagans. Second, this verse could be talking what Titus did in 66 CE. Third, the Dome was built by Marwan ibn Malik who was way after the prophet. How did the prophet and his followers did Hajj if there is no House?! But yes you could be right. It could be Jerusalem, but there is no shred of evidence that Solomons temple was there!
Peace,
Rami
confused Oh! you
re right,the temple in Bani-Israel verse is just a temple.. Well,I see it this way,that temple is Peace..and if Bani Israel continues aggression,they will defeat themselves in a war.. Temples arent physical places all the time,its the focal point of the heart,if we are defined as muslims,its because we are to make peace,with ourselves and with others...
To me,Hajj is like a big international conference,where all people-not just Muslims-gather and share knowledge...The originial temple was not surrounded by Jews but by Pagans
What makes this a true statement?
You
re right,there was no temple from the time it was demolished by Titus until Abd Al MAlik Ibn Marawan built the dome of Rock-God knows better-but o one said anything about kaaba being only the Dome Of Rock,its the whole area of Temple Mount,which Muslims call "Al-Haram Al-Qudsei Al-Sharif" or the noble sanctuary..
It has equal importance for jews and Muslims,as well as Christians..Jewish Midrash holds that it was from here that the world expanded into its present form, and that this was where God gathered the dust he used to create the first man, Adam. The Torah records that it was here that God chose to rest his Divine Presence..In Islam, the site is revered as the location of Islamic prophet Muhammad's journey to Jerusalem and ascent to heaven..
Note The al-Aqsa Mosque was originally a small prayer house built by the Rashidun caliph Umar, but was rebuilt and expanded by the Ummayad caliph Abd al-Malik and finished by his son al-Walid in 705 CE,named Al-Aqsa only then...which makes me believe theres another interpretation for the Israa and Miraj story,that includes no physical places..Anyways,it`s the temple mount where hajj is to take place,descending from the mount of olives..
I enjoy this conversation with you,Rami,thank you..
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Peace Sa'adah,
To me,Hajj is like a big international conference,where all people-not just Muslims-gather and share knowledge...
For me, Hajj is a big feast at God's house where we thanks God for the animals He made for us and feed the needy and the poor.
The originial temple was not surrounded by Jews but by Pagans
What makes this a true statement?There was no temple for the Jews to carry out the temple services.
which makes me believe there
s another interpretation for the Israa and Miraj story,that includes no physical places..There is no Miraj in the Quran. Remember that the Israa was a NIGHT's journey so it wont last more than 12 hours and we dont know who that servant is. The ?sra' is used for Moses with Bani Israel and it was by night 4423. The word 3abd was used for Mohammed 181,251.
Anyways,it`s the temple mount where hajj is to take place,descending from the mount of olives..
Possible.
I enjoy this conversation with you,Rami,thank you..
Thank you.
Peace,
Rami.
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But in the Quran Mohammed is a proper name and never a description. This could mean the one who named the prophet was versed in Hebrew and could very well be from Bani-Israel.
Assalaam Alaikum @Rami,
'Muhammadun' in the Quran is NOT a 'proper name', closer to a verbal noun, which may be semantically plural but grammatically singular in reference. (i.e. humans (plural) can embody the character traits of the 'Muhammadun' as a SINGLE individual)
Al-Ahzab Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum walakin rasoola Allahi wakhatama alnnabiyyeena wakana Allahu bikulli shayin AAaleeman
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Assalaam Alaikum @Rami,
'Muhammadun' in the Quran is NOT a 'proper name', closer to a verbal noun, which may be semantically plural but grammatically singular in reference. (i.e. humans (plural) can embody the character traits of the 'Muhammadun' as a SINGLE individual)
Al-Ahzab Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum walakin rasoola Allahi wakhatama alnnabiyyeena wakana Allahu bikulli shayin AAaleeman
Peace MTR,
If thats so, there must be a 'the' before it like 'Al-Shaitan' which embodies anyone who oppose God.
Peace,
Rami.
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Peace MTR,
If thats so, there must be a 'the' before it like 'Al-Shaitan' which embodies anyone who oppose God.
Peace,
Rami.
uuh..excuse me? clarify your last response
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Define 'proper name'
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'Muhammadun' in the Quran is NOT a 'proper name', closer to a verbal noun, which may be semantically plural but grammatically singular in reference. (i.e. humans (plural) can embody the character traits of the 'Muhammadun' as a SINGLE individual)
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'Muhammadun' in the Quran is NOT a 'proper name', closer to a verbal noun, which may be semantically plural but grammatically singular in reference. (i.e. humans (plural) can embody the character traits of the 'Muhammadun' as a SINGLE individual)
So what does the word Mohammed refer to?
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Peace,Rami...
How are you doing? hope everything at your side is alright..
For me, Hajj is a big feast at God's house where we thanks God for the animals He made for us and feed the needy and the poor.
Of course,what better purpose from "Al-Hadei" ""??I
d say its not just a feast for food,it`s like a conference where people meet to share knowledge,trade and compassion towards the needy and the poor..How are you doing? hope everything at your side is alright..
There was no temple for the Jews to carry out the temple services.
Do you mean they used a temple dedicated to a pagan god,after sanctifying it? you could be very right..I want to share with you a piece I read only lately..
http//ldolphin.org/domebase.html
Yes,if this page is not a hoax,it could prove that the Umaayd Khalifah Ibn Al Malik didn`t build the dome from nothing..There is no Miraj in the Quran. Remember that the Israa was a NIGHT's journey so it wont last more than 12 hours and we dont know who that servant is. The ?sra' is used for Moses with Bani Israel and it was by night 4423. The word 3abd was used for Mohammed 181,251.
Sounds right,but if it`s so,why was the mosque named "Masjid-Al-Aksa"?is it just a name?or a worshiping place to mark the area pointed to ad Masjid aksa ?was it a location at all?
Peace,and many thanks..
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Peace sa'adah,
I am good. Thanks. handshake
How are you doing? hope everything at your side is alright.. PDo you mean they used a temple dedicated to a pagan god,after sanctifying it? you could be very right..I want to share with you a piece I read only lately..
http//ldolphin.org/domebase.html
Yes,if this page is not a hoax,it could prove that the Umaayd Khalifah Ibn Al Malik didn`t build the dome from nothing..Thanks for the link. Now this can explain alot of things. Coupled with the fact that Allat and AlUzza are Nabatean gods and the prophet passed beside the ruins of Lot by day and night. This 'Jerusalem theory' seems to be right.
Sounds right,but if it`s so,why was the mosque named "Masjid-Al-Aksa"?is it just a name?or a worshiping place to mark the area pointed to ad Masjid aksa ?was it a location at all?
The most weird thing that the word Masjid is used as a pre-islamic place in the Quran. We can conclude there was another religion that was in place but got distorted and the Quran is correcting it. Is that 'millat Ibraham'. Is that why they seem to know when Ramadan is and when are the Hajj months. Regarding Masjid Al-Aksa, it is impossible to tell where it really is. Heck, some places are mentioned multiple times in the Quran and we cant figure out exactly where it is! But if you take the servant as Moses so the Masjid Al-Haram is in Egypt and Masjid Al-Aksa could be the Sacred valley of Tuwa. Hakuna Matata. D
Peace,
Rami
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Peace,Rami
if you take the servant as Moses so the Masjid Al-Haram is in Egypt and Masjid Al-Aksa could be the Sacred valley of Tuwa. Hakuna Matata. D
Peace,
Rami
It could be a labyrinth if we didn
t read carefully..you say Asracould mean a 12 hours journey at night..Moses was away from his people for complete 40 nights...if he was returning at day he wouldnt have asked Harun to take his place and Bani Israel wouldnt have worshiped that stupid golden calf...Peace..