caliph umar converts dumping ground into a "holy" site

belH

Peace all

belh-

Please post a few verses from a book written by jesus. -)

Here are some

Blessed be the LORD, who executes righteous deeds, crowning his saints

with loving-kindness and mercy. My soul cries out to praise thy name, to sing high praises

for thy loving deeds, to proclaim thy faithfulness--of praise of thee there is no end. Near death

was I for my sins, and my iniquities have sold me to the grave; but thou didst save me,

O LORD, according to thy great mercy, and according to thy many righteous deeds. Indeed have I

loved thy name, and in thy protection have I found refuge. When I remember thy might my heart

is brave, and upon thy mercies do I lean. Forgive my sin, O LORD,

and purify me from my iniquity. Vouchsafe me a spirit of faith and knowledge, and let me not be dishonored

in ruin. Let not Satan rule over me, nor an unclean spirit; neither let pain nor the evil

inclination take possession of my bones. For thou, O LORD, art my praise, and in thee do I hope

Here are some more

I will bow down toward your holy temple and I will praise your name over your mercy, and over your truth because you made great over all your name your word.

In the day I called and you answered me you made me bold in my soul strength.

They give thanks to you Yahweh, all the kings of the land, because they heard words of your mouth.

And they sing in the paths of Yahweh because great is the glory of Yahweh.

Because high is Yahweh, and the low he will see and the proud from a distant place he knows.

If I walk in the middle of trouble you will revive me, over the anger of my enemies you will send your hand you will rescue me, your right hand.

Yahweh will end on behalf of me, Yahweh, your mercy is for eternity, the works of your hands will not sink.

Do I conclude that the qurann is "incomplete" and needs Torah and Ingil to complete it?

The Quran is Complete in showing us our religion, as the Torah and the Bible; But some times a story in Quran can be brief but is more detailed in Bible or Torah. Samia...you can not discount the other Books from your belief...Trust me, you are smart enough to identify the Misleading translation in Bible or Torah...Use the Quran as a Measure.

4162 But those of them who are firm in knowledge, as well as the believers, they believe in what was sent down to you and what was sent down before you; and those who uphold the communion, and those who contribute towards betterment, and those who believe in God and the Last Day; to these We will give them their reward greatly.

belH

thegod, here are some spacial Message for you

Teachers of lies have comforted your people
and now they stumble, foolishly.
They abhor themselves
and do not esteem me through whom your wonders
and powers are manifest.
They have banished me from my land like a bird
from its nest, and my friends
and neighbors are driven from me.
They think me a broken pot.
They preach lies. They are dissembling prophets.
They devise baseness against me,
exchanging your teaching, written in my heart,
for smooth words.
They deny knowledge to the thirsty
and force them to drink vinegar to cover up error.
They stumble through mad feasts,
but you, God, spurn the schemes of Belial (Iblias).

Only your truth shines,
and those who love it are wise
and walk in the glow
of your light.
From darkness you raise hearts.
Let light shine on your servant.
Your light is everlasting.

thegod

belh-

Yet another sad lie. Those words are alleged to have been david's, not jesus'. When u are so unclear about ur own holy books, why do u dispute about the quraan? -)

Again, keep aside ur sad emotions & lies, & post some verses from a book written by jesus. -)

ma'a salaam.

God bless all.

al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

thegod

belh-

& in case u don't know, psalms is a part of the first of ur holy books (old testament), not the second (new testament). Then, search for a writing of jesus in ur second holy book, not first. -)

ma'a salaam.

God bless all.

al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

Samia

The Quran is Complete in showing us our religion, as the Torah and the Bible; But some times a story in Quran can be brief but is more detailed in Bible or Torah.

So the quraan is not as detailed as it claims to be? Same argument of hadithisits when promoting hadith.

unknownuser

Agree...Now look for the place that Has the following Landmarks in order to identify the City of Peace

951 By the fig and the olive.
952 And the mount of Sineen.
953 And this town of peace.

....

Where are the Fig and Olive trees in Mecca? where is the Mount of Sineen in Mecca? Where is Makam Abraham in Mecca?
Where are the Traces of Prophets in Mecca? Where are the Seas and rivers in Mecca of Which Pilgrms can Fish from during Pilgrim?
Where is Baka in Mecca? Where are the history that show the Isreails control of Mecca Two times?

A statement can be proven false/true if it's opposite can be proven true/false.

Neither city is on top of a mountain and there is a reason it's called the Dead Sea near Jerusalem, no fish or anything except people floating on salty water.

951-3 refers to same message three separate locations not one.

Peace

thegod

Hmm. The books of jews & christians don't as much as mention the bayt built by abraham & ishamel, & are full of a holy temple built by solomon; whereas, the quraan never mentions any holy temple built by solomon, & focuses on the bayt built by abraham & ishmael. No wonder the rejectors are aggrieved by the quraan's narration. No wonder they keep clinging to their books.

ma'a salaam.

God bless all.

al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

belH

belh-

Yet another sad lie. Those words are alleged to have been david's, not jesus'. When u are so unclear about ur own holy books, why do u dispute about the quraan? -)
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

Davied was a King...He did not suffer....Jesus did...the words below are the words of a person who suffered.

thegod, here are some spacial Message for you

Teachers of lies have comforted your people
and now they stumble, foolishly.
They abhor themselves
and do not esteem me through whom your wonders
and powers are manifest.
They have banished me from my land like a bird
from its nest, and my friends
and neighbors are driven from me.
They think me a broken pot.
They preach lies. They are dissembling prophets.
They devise baseness against me,
exchanging your teaching, written in my heart,
for smooth words.
They deny knowledge to the thirsty
and force them to drink vinegar to cover up error.
They stumble through mad feasts,
but you, God, spurn the schemes of Belial (Iblias).

Only your truth shines,
and those who love it are wise
and walk in the glow
of your light.
From darkness you raise hearts.
Let light shine on your servant.
Your light is everlasting.

al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

thegod

belh-Davied was a King...He did not suffer....Jesus did...the words below are the words of a person who suffered.

Hmm. A confused assortment of verses don't merit individualized attention, does it? Regarding the words "below" (above), the author is unknown & there are various suggestions.

Let us assume that they are the words of jesus. Then, the fact that u need to locate words of jesus outside the new testament is ur admission that the new testament is not the injeel. As such, the book of christians is no longer holy for u, & till the time u find the injeel, ur faith will be incomplete. Do search well, it's a matter of completing ur faith now. -)

ma'a salaam.

God bless all.

al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'alaameen

belH

Let us assume that they are the words of jesus. Then, the fact that u need to locate words of jesus outside the new testament is ur admission that the new testament is not the injeel. As such, the book of christians is no longer holy for u, & till the time u find the injeel, ur faith will be incomplete. Do search well, it's a matter of completing ur faith now. -)

Thank you for the advise, but I think I know where to find.
Here are some more from Isaiah Dead Sea Scroll http//www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qa-tran.htm#c1

(Chapter 21) The word which Isaiah the son of Amots envisioned about Judah and Jerusalem. (2) And it shall be
in the last days that the mountain of the house of YHWH shall be established in the top of the mountains and shall be lifted up
above the hills and all nations shall flow into it. (3) And many people shall come and shall say
Come, let us go up to the house of the God of Jacob and He will instruct us in his ways and we will walk in his paths,
because the Torah shall go out from Zion, the word of YHWH from Jerusalem (4) and He will judge among the nations

If God says to believe in the Injeel and Torah as we Believe in Quran, if we want to be true moslems, then the Injeel and Torah exist and the Dead Sea Scroll are the Ones the we should be considering.

Now, according to the information in the Dead Sea Scroll, Jerusalem is where the House of Allah exist yes

belH

So the quraan is not as detailed as it claims to be? Same argument of hadithisits when promoting hadith.

Peace
There is a huge different between Hadith and Torah & Injeel; God ordered us to uphold the Torah and Injeel, and Reject the Hadith. If you want to call me Quraniest-Injeelist-Torahist, please feel free to do so.
Now I'm sure that you are not from those who are firm in Knowledge

4162 But those of them who are firm in knowledge, as well as the believers, they believe in what was sent down to you and what was sent down before you; and those who uphold the communion, and those who contribute towards betterment, and those who believe in God and the Last Day; to these We will give them their reward greatly.

thegod

belh-If God says to believe in the Injeel and Torah as we Believe in Quran, if we want to be true moslems, then the Injeel and Torah exist and the Dead Sea Scroll are the Ones the we should be considering.

grin

Now the dead sea scrolls are the torah & the injeel? No wonder u do not know isaiah from jesus.

But I see an improvement; u do admit that all ur life u were following the books of jews & christians, rather than the quraan. -)

Now, can v finally see some writings from the injeel?

ma'a salaam

al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

belH

belh-If God says to believe in the Injeel and Torah as we Believe in Quran, if we want to be true moslems, then the Injeel and Torah exist and the Dead Sea Scroll are the Ones the we should be considering.

grin

Now the dead sea scrolls are the torah & the injeel? No wonder u do not know isaiah from jesus.

But I see an improvement; u do admit that all ur life u were following the books of jews & christians, rather than the quraan. -)

Now, can v finally see some writings from the injeel?

ma'a salaam

al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

Your plan is to discredit all the existing Torah and Injeel, and all the discoveries of the Dead Sea Scroll and NajaHammadi; why? because all show Jerusalem to be the place where house of all exist.

Teachers of lies have comforted your people
and now they stumble, foolishly.
They abhor themselves
and do not esteem me through whom your wonders
and powers are manifest.
They have banished me from my land like a bird
from its nest, and my friends
and neighbors are driven from me.
They think me a broken pot.
They preach lies. They are dissembling prophets.
They devise baseness against me,
exchanging your teaching, written in my heart,
for smooth words.
They deny knowledge to the thirsty
and force them to drink vinegar to cover up error.
They stumble through mad feasts,
but you, God, spurn the schemes of Belial (Iblias).

You can drink your vinegar, but you will not make me or any other believer to drink it.
Unless you show us well-established verses prove that the House is in Mecca and not Baca, you have nothing.

thegod

belh-

I thought u had given up on the books of rejectors because they are not original writings; but where else can u find ur holy temple? -)

The fact remains that ur holy temple is found only in ur holy books, & not in the quraan. & to show that the graveyard-house of foxes & pigs is holy, u are adding any & every writing u can find to ur library of holy books. What is pitiful is that u don't know isa from isaiah - do u want me to educate u about ur own holy books? -)

I am satisfied with the quraan, & the rejectors with their holy books. The bayt of abraham & ishmael is extra-biblical concept, & the rejectors are not going to indulge it; & a holy temple of solomon is extra-quraanic concept, & I am not to indulge the claims of rejectors. -)

A remark - I have added ur failure to locate the injeel (to complete ur faith) to ur list of failures. -)

ma'a salaam.

God bless all.

al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'alaameen

belH

belh-

The fact remains that ur holy temple is found only in ur holy books, & not in the quraan.

Jeruslam is the place according to Quran, Bible, and Quran...moreover, all the archaeology data shows that Jeruslam is the place where the Prophets lived and preached their Message. Even Prophet Mohamed, according to Quran have confronted Jews and Christians who lived in the City Where the House of Allah exist; now, is there any trace of Jews Temples or Christian Churches in Mecca?....NO Of course the Hadithes talks about Jews Tribes, but they forgot to mention any thing about Christians rotfl

O you who believe, those who have set up partners are impure, so let them not approach the Sacred Temple after this year of theirs; and if you fear poverty, then God will enrich you from His blessings if He wills. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
928

Fight those who do not believe in God or the Last Day, nor do they forbid what God and His messenger have forbidden, nor do they uphold the system of truth - from among the people who have been given the Scripture - until they pay the reparation, willingly or unwillingly, and they are subdued.
929

The Jews said ?Ezra is God?s son,? and the Nazarenes said ?The Messiah is God?s son.? Such is their utterances with their mouths, they imitate the sayings of those who rejected before them. God will fight them. They are deluded from the truth!
930

They took their Priests and Monks to be patrons besides God, and the Messiah son of Mary, while they were only commanded to serve One god, there is no god but He, be He glorified for what they set up.
931

According to God, Christians and Jews Were living in the City where the House of Allah exist; moreover, the Prophet Fought against them when conquesting the House in Bacca...The house that has Makam Abraham...The House the true believers should make pilgrim to... yes

belH

thegod;

Here is one of the sorry attempts that was done by your brother Zaghlool Al-Najjar to prove that Macca is the place, using the Bible.

http//www.answering-christianity.com/paran.htm

I know you will like...have fun while drinking vinegar

thegod

belh-

The jews & christians didn't live only in jerusalem; only an illiterate who thinks isa & isaih are same not know this. Nor would that illiterate know that jerusalem's history is well-known, & muhammad cannot be placed there; & the rejectors have always disputed, in conformity with the quraan. -)

I see that ur new holy books tell u that christ was god who lived among men. Have u already started worshipping christ? What is the next addition to ur library of holy books, maybe the book of mormons? grin

Consider a sad & pitiful liar who talks about history, & he knows nothing. & he cannot tell isa from isaiah, nor the injeel from the new testament. & he keeps clinging to his holy books, despite admitting that they are not original writings. & he clings to his holy books to uphold a concept not found in the quraan. & he worships at graveyards of humans & pigs. & he lies everytime he speaks. & he rejects what is in the quraan. & he has taken up a book which tells christ is god as his latest holy book. Is not such a one a replica of the rejectors of yore, who would dispute about matters whereof they had little or no knowledge (365-66)?

ma'a salaam.

God bless all.

al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

belH

belh-

The jews & christians didn't live only in jerusalem;

Great, let us build a constructive solution to your sorry post...Can you prove that Christians lived in Mecca?

thegod

belh-Great, let us build a constructive solution to your sorry post...Can you prove that Christians lived in Mecca?

Do u claim that jews & christians lived only in jerusalem?

& what is "great" about worshipping christ; clarify whether or not u take the dead sea scrolls which talk about christ being god as ur holy book.

& when considering the replica of rejectors of yore, also consider that he fishes at the dead sea. -)

ma'a salaam.

God bless all.

al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

belH

belh-Great, let us build a constructive solution to your sorry post...Can you prove that Christians lived in Mecca?

Do u claim that jews & christians lived only in jerusalem?

Let us stick to your sorry Post...Again, and please stop running around and give me a straight answer

Can you prove that Christians lived in Mecca?