How many verses are there in the quran ?

[unknownuser]

I see no reply to the above.

Alright, had time to waste look at this 2698 stuff plastered on the web.
http//www.quran.org/math.htm

Dr. Cesar Adib Majul, in his book "The Attributes of Allah in Relation To The Mathematical Structure of Quran" discovered the following two facts

1. Only four attributes of God have gematrical (numerical) values that are a multiple of 19, i.e. Wahed, Zul fadlil 'azeem, Majeed, and Jami'.

2. The numerical values of these four attributes correspond exactly to the frequency of the four words of "basmalah," in the Quran; that is, 19, 2698, 57, and 114.

Removing 9128-129 is ONLY (illa) fitna and here are more "attributes" also multiples...

3152 ?and God full of grace on the believers.
waAllahu thoo fadlin AAala almu/mineena

700 + 6 + 80 + 800 + 30 + 70 + 30 + 10 + 1 + 30 + 40 + 10 + 40 + 50 + 10 + 50 = 1957 / 19 = 103

3163 and God seeing with what they do.
waAllahu baseerun bima yaAAmaloona

(2 + 90 + 10 + 200) + (2 + 40 + 1) + (10 + 70 + 40 + 30 + 6 + 50) = 551 / 19 = 29

866 and God (is) with the patient.
waAllahu maAAa alssabireena

40 + 70 + 1 + 30 + 90 + 1 + 2 + 200 + 10 + 50 = 494 / 19 = 26

1219 and God knowledgeable with what they make/do.
waAllahu AAaleemun bima yaAAmaloona

70 + 30 + 10 + 40 + 2 + 40 + 1 + 10 + 70 + 40 + 30 + 6 + 50 = 399 / 19 = 21

Peace,

[jonny_k]

Peace "eid",

Peace jonny,
No they are not controversial and he knowingly lied simple as that.

JK- They ARE CONTROVERSIAL and you not knowing this just shows your ignorance on the subject. If you look at the manuscripts in ciculation today youll find hell lot more alifs filled in which you wont find in the older manuscripts mostly indicating a "hamza" pronounciation. You can look this up for yourself. Eg in 2132 we have "wa Awsa" with alif in warsh and "wawasa" WITHOUT alif in hafs.

I'm not playing, you are the ones manipulating; simply count alif.

JK- If it were that simple then why dont you accept the counts revised by submission.org as of now
http//www.submission.org/miracle/alif.html
In that case the alif lam meem sets act just like the HM sets. YET im not claiming these counts are correct for they still require independent verification. Bro Edip would tell you the same. So it aint all that clear is it?

It's obvious they are liars like their idol.

JK- "Liar" means one who delibaretely puts up false information. This is a big accusation your hurling at them and hence your appealing to emotions rather than reason.

That SOMETHING is only (illa) in your head. lol

JK- Ok i get it your claiming it to be non significant whilst i clearly dont.

NO THEY DO NOT! Instead of parroting lies check and verify?

19 KHYAS 137 + 175 + 334 + 117 + 26 = 789 NOT MULTIPLE!

JK- I believe you ignored the subtle "ya"s as in "la-In" in 1946 for example. The auto count wont give you that easily. http//www.submission.org/quran/reader/arabic/v-19.htm

36 YS 231 + 48 = 279 NOT MULTIPLE!

JK- http//www.submission.org/quran/reader/arabic/v-36.htm

42 HMAySQ 53 + 300 + 98 + 54 + 57 = 562 NOT MULTIPLE!

JK- http//www.submission.org/quran/reader/arabic/v-42.htm
MAN these counts have BEEN VERIFIED BY BRO LAYTH AND OTHERS AS WELL. Your not paying attention to the subtle "ya"s. Here check this too
http//www.free-minds.org/sites/default/files/19.pdf

More clueless stuff about 1974; wast of time.
Already told you NONE of the initialed chapters are multiple only one.

JK- You must be using a wrong counter or some other manuscript. Check the above article carefully.

Manipulation to make nineteen; changing adds another initial
ww

JK- The "waw" is justified from "Zan NOON" which has "noon" spelled as "noon WAW noon" in it. He is the "posessor of Noon waw Noon".

Conjecture and nothing to explain the pen 681 has little to do with 2187

JK- It has little to do? Then why does chapter 68 have exatly one less noon than 133 which is ZMN and at the same time in another chapter we find GOD talking about a "POSESSOR OF NOON WAW NOON"? Is this coincidence? Explain to me the significance of 2187 then.

You still don?t get it; you conjectured and found a combination GV = 2698; with 28 letters there are close to INFINITE combinations with GV=2698, no reason to freak out that you found one. lol

JK- There are IFNINTE RANDOM COMBINATIONS YES BUT NOT REAL ARABIC WORDS. Thats what your not getting so either your fooling around with me by not addressing this or you didnt get my point.

It?s obvious you did not even bother to count. Here is chapter 36 YS simply do a search

y? mu?jamah gv=10 (total 211)
y? muhmalah gv=10 (total 20)

211 + 20 = 231

sn gv=60 (total 4

231 + 48 = 279 NOT MULTIPLE!

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JK- Check 19-fact or fiction above. These counts have been VERIFIED. GOD Bless!

[jonny_k]

Peace "eid",
Remember when your coutning "ha" you need to include "ta marboota" and the count of "ya" is also a bit difficult for one needs to look at the subtle "ya"s as well(as in "BiduaIk" in 194 contains a subtle "ya&quot. The auto count makes this almost impossible and hence this letter shld be counted manually. ALSO I beleive you excluded the count of the initials in the BISMILLAHS whilst ive specifically told you before that whilst counting initials they have been CONSISTENTLY included. Here are the counts of those suras listed again
http//www.submission.org/quran/reader/arabic/v-19.htm
http//www.submission.org/quran/reader/arabic/v-36.htm
http//www.submission.org/quran/reader/arabic/v-42.htm
You may check the other HM chapters as well by just typing in "v-x" where x is sura no at the above address.
http//www.submission.org/quran/reader/arabic/v-68.htm
Check them carefully. GOD Bless!

[jonny_k]

Peace again "Eid",
Here I'm just going to point out the mistakes you probably made in your counts of initials in sura 19. Your counts of kaf, ain and sad are correct. Your net count of ha also came out to be correct even though i suspect you didn't count the one in the BISM. This is probably because you falsely inlcuded the "ha" of "rahmat" in verse 192 which in the original manuscript is spelled out "ra Ha meem TA" NOT "ra Ha meem ha/ta marboota". Lastly your count of ya is FALSE. There are 343 yas in total. You made quite a few mistakes here. First you didnt include the ya of the BISMILLAH. Then you probably didnt count the ya of "fanadaaha" and "'ataniya" in 1924 and 1930 respectively. Lastly you probably forgot to include the 6 undotted yas with hamza on top. Those include the yas of the terms "biduaika", "jita", "la-in", "ulaaika", "faulaaika" and "jitum" each having one ya.

Thus we get 313 yas (dotted) + 22 yas (undotted) + 6 yas (hamza on top and undotted) + 1 ya (1924 fanadA(YA)ha) + 1 ya (1930 ?atA(YA)niya) = 343 yas.

This makes the total of the initials in sura 19 equal 137 + 175 + 343 + 117 + 26 = 798 = 19 X 42

GOD Bless!

[jonny_k]

Peace again "Eid",
Rearding the "initial" waw i want to make a comment i didnt do above. Waw is NOT an initial of itself. It's the letter NOON which is spelled out so as to give it's pronounciation. Without "waw" how would you say "possesor of Noon"? You cant say "zan NN" for that is not the correct pronounciation of NOON. This doesnt make waw into an initial of its own. Think of sura 68 having ONLY ONE INITIAL SPELLED OUT AS PRONOUNCED. GOD Bless!

[unknownuser]

Peace jonny,

JK- They ARE CONTROVERSIAL and you not knowing this just shows your ignorance on the subject.

Yes I am fully aware of their need to manipulate hamza and alif to manipulate the count and people who believe nineteen are the most ignorant on the planet.

JK- "Liar" means one who delibaretely puts up false information. This is a big accusation your hurling at them and hence your appealing to emotions rather than reason.

INSTEAD OF BEING A PARROT -- COUNT!

JK- I believe you ignored the subtle "ya"s as in "la-In" in 1946 for example. The auto count wont give you that easily. http//www.submission.org/quran/reader/arabic/v-19.htm

DO YOU EVER READ WHAT PEOPLE POST?

NOTHING from submission.org is reliable -- they are known manipulators and liars!

Forgot to include (y hamza) gv =10 changes count although still not multiple.

19 KHYAS 137 + 175 + 349 + 117 + 26 = 804 NOT MULTIPLE!

36 YS 242 + 48 = 290 NOT MULTIPLE!

y hamza gv=10 (total 11 )
y? mu?jamah gv=10 (total 211)
y? muhmalah gv=10 (total 20 )

11 + 211 + 20 = 242

sn gv=60 (total 4

MAN these counts have BEEN VERIFIED BY BRO LAYTH AND OTHERS AS WELL. Your not paying attention to the subtle "ya"s.

JK- You must be using a wrong counter or some other manuscript.

Here I've color coded the different ya's simply COUNT!!!

19 K H Y A S 137 + 175 + 349 + 117 + 26 = 804 NOT MULTIPLE!

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[unknownuser]

Peace jonny,

Waw is NOT an initial of itself.

Why NOT, you want to change N the pen to fit that stupid code of the ignorants.

JK- There are IFNINTE RANDOM COMBINATIONS YES BUT NOT REAL ARABIC WORDS. Thats what your not getting so either your fooling around with me by not addressing this or you didnt get my point.

Again -- DO YOU READ WHAT PEOPLE POST?

ARE THESE NOT REAL ARABIC WORDS FROM QUR'AN?

Alright, had time to waste look at this 2698 stuff plastered on the web.
http//www.quran.org/math.htm

Removing 9128-129 is ONLY (illa) fitna and here are more "attributes" also multiples...

3152 ?and God full of grace on the believers.
waAllahu thoo fadlin AAala almu/mineena

700 + 6 + 80 + 800 + 30 + 70 + 30 + 10 + 1 + 30 + 40 + 10 + 40 + 50 + 10 + 50 = 1957 / 19 = 103

3163 and God seeing with what they do.
waAllahu baseerun bima yaAAmaloona

(2 + 90 + 10 + 200) + (2 + 40 + 1) + (10 + 70 + 40 + 30 + 6 + 50) = 551 / 19 = 29

866 and God (is) with the patient.
waAllahu maAAa alssabireena

40 + 70 + 1 + 30 + 90 + 1 + 2 + 200 + 10 + 50 = 494 / 19 = 26

1219 and God knowledgeable with what they make/do.
waAllahu AAaleemun bima yaAAmaloona

70 + 30 + 10 + 40 + 2 + 40 + 1 + 10 + 70 + 40 + 30 + 6 + 50 = 399 / 19 = 21

Peace,

[jonny_k]

Peace "eid",

Peace jonny,
Yes I am fully aware of their need to manipulate hamza and alif to manipulate the count and people who believe nineteen are the most ignorant on the planet.

JK- And you aree not manipulating to get your count? I admitted alif counts are not that clear. Theyr still too ambiguous so we'll have to wait.

INSTEAD OF BEING A PARROT -- COUNT!

JK- See below.

DO YOU EVER READ WHAT PEOPLE POST?

NOTHING from submission.org is reliable -- they are known manipulators and liars!

JK- CHECK it out for yourself as bro layth, myself and others did. Go and count them manually. Also ive shown you below an example in regards to sura 19.

Here I've color coded the different ya's simply COUNT!!!

19 K H Y A S 137 + 175 + 349 + 117 + 26 = 804 NOT MULTIPLE!

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JK- Ok i forgot to notice. This time you probably made the mistake of overlapping counts. When you just enter ya with hamza you get 16 results, 8 of which are ALREADY INCLUDED in the dotted ya count e.g. "waraai" in 195 which has one ya NOT two. Moreover you probably ignored the count of 1924 ?fanadA(ya)ha? and 1930 ?atA(ya)niya. Thats how you came up with 804. THATS WHY i stressed the fact that you need to count them MANUALLY. Now go and pick a manuscript and do that. GOD Bless!

[jonny_k]

Peace "eid",

Peace jonny,

Why NOT, you want to change N the pen to fit that stupid code of the ignorants.

JK- Ive explained this very well. In order to pronounce "noon" you spell NON WAW NOON. Think of it as an initial spelled out.

Again -- DO YOU READ WHAT PEOPLE POST?

ARE THESE NOT REAL ARABIC WORDS FROM QUR'AN?

JK- Sorry fail. These are elongated phrases NOT attributes anymore. "wallahu zu fadhlnl 'alal mumineen" is a phrase NOT an attribute. The attribute here is "zu fadlin." PERIOD. Same goes or the rest. GOD Bless!

[jonny_k]

Peace again "eid",
My guess was correct. You did count two yas in "waraai" 195 when the word has ONE ya only. Heres a non submission.org arabic quran excerpt
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/10_19/19_1-6.htm
Do you see two yas in that word? Same goes for the rest of the 7 words. "shaiyan(5 times)", "israeel" and "warian" ALL of which have only ONE YA. Also before even looking at your list i guessed you didnt count the YA of the terms "nadaaha" and the middle one of "'ataa(ya)nia" in 1924 and 1930 repectively.
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/10_19/19_20-25.htm
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/10_19/19_26-30.htm
Your confusing yas with alifs. Whenever theres a non dotted WAVE in between a word that is a YA, doesnt matter what vowel marks are on top or below it. GOD Bless!

[unknownuser]

Peace jonny,

..."waraai" in 195 which has one ya NOT two.

y hamza written as above a dotless y or alone

If you want to exclude then...

19 K H Y A S 137 + 175 + 349 (-15) + 117 + 26 = 789 / 19 = 41.5263158 NOT MULTIPLE!

Moreover you probably ignored the count of 1924 ?fanadA(ya)ha? and 1930 ?atA(ya)niya.

Not interested how the manipulators from the land of the clueless write it.

Fanadaha min tahtiha alla tahzanee qad jaAAala rabbuki tahtaki sariyyan
1924

Qala innee AAabdu Allahi ataniya alkitaba wajaAAalanee nabiyyan
1930

JK- Ive explained this very well. In order to pronounce "noon" you spell NON WAW NOON. Think of it as an initial spelled out.

An initial spelled out? Think of it as MANIPULATION!

Why am I wasting time with this? lol

JK- Sorry fail. These are elongated phrases NOT attributes anymore. "wallahu zu fadhlnl 'alal mumineen" is a phrase NOT an attribute. The attribute here is "zu fadlin." PERIOD. Same goes or the rest. GOD Bless!

You claim otherwise with Zul fadlil 'azeem

How can these not be attributes?

3163 baseerun bima yaAAmaloona

866 maAAa alssabireena

1219 AAaleemun bima yaAAmaloona

[jonny_k]

Peace "Eid",

Peace jonny,

y hamza written as above a dotless y or alone

If you want to exclude then...

19 K H Y A S 137 + 175 + 349 (-15) + 117 + 26 = 789 / 19 = 41.5263158 NOT MULTIPLE!

JK- MAN why are you turning hamza into a YA? What is this game your playing now? Admit that you were wrong. It doesnt matter whether hamza or not. That is just how the count computer works OTHERWISE you have to see for yourself whether there is a YA there or not. "waraai" has ONE YA ONLY. PERIOD. The rest of the counts ive stated already.

Not interested how the manipulators from the land of the clueless write it.

Fanadaha min tahtiha alla tahzanee qad jaAAala rabbuki tahtaki sariyyan
1924

Qala innee AAabdu Allahi ataniya alkitaba wajaAAalanee nabiyyan
1930

JK- It begins to look like your the dishonest one here. Is islamicity.org working with s.org??? DEFINITELY NOT. Theyr sunnis and strongly against code-19. They also have 9128-129 on there. Go llok it up. YET you can clearly see the YA wave in those verses on their site. SO WHICH QURANIC MANUSCRIPT DO YOU TRUST? Perhaps the modern persian one?

An initial spelled out? Think of it as MANIPULATION!

Why am I wasting time with this? lol

JK- YES the initial NOON is special. Why else would GOD mention "zan-noon" in that other verse? Try to offer a better explanation if you can.

You claim otherwise with Zul fadlil 'azeem

JK- Theres a difference btw "zul fadlil 'ALA..." and "zul fadlil azeem" the latter of which indeed is a compound attribute. Thats exactly what im trying to say. You have to recognize by rules of the language which are attributes and which arnt not just use random adding of words to form phrases.

How can these not be attributes?

3163 baseerun bima yaAAmaloona

866 maAAa alssabireena

1219 AAaleemun bima yaAAmaloona

JK- Because of the conjunction "bima" and in 866 you posted the ending which goes "allahu MAASABIREEN" meaning "GOD is with the ones who persevere". What has this got to do with an attribute? It's a stateement. The attributes here would be "aleem" and "baseer". GOD Bless!

[unknownuser]

Peace jonny,

JK- MAN why are you turning hamza into a YA?

y hamza written as and makes no difference whether you count them or not still NOT MULTIPLE!

Not playing, no need, not my fitna -- you are the ones playing games injecting letters, removing verses...

you probably ignored the count of 1924 ?fanadA(ya)ha?

SO WHICH QURANIC MANUSCRIPT DO YOU TRUST?

This one!
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1h09fef92Q

I'm done conversing with the clueless manipulators of the book.

[jonny_k]

Peace "eid",

Peace jonny,

y hamza written as and makes no difference whether you count them or not still NOT MULTIPLE!

Not playing, no need, not my fitna -- you are the ones playing games injecting letters, removing verses...

JK- Yes and there is no two yas in "shaiyan", "israeel" or "warian". ALL HAVE ONLY ONE whilst you showed two in each. I showed you clearly how the yas add up to 343. Your not even bothering to correct your counts. If your mistakes are corrected youll see that 8 of your terms will need to be subtracted from 804 making it 796 and 2 added(1924&30) and youll have a xple. Simple as that.

This one!
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1h09fef92Q

JK- This is not a manuscript. Only a recital and only in part. There are many recitals btw amongst which warsh and hafs vary ocassionally.

I'm done conversing with the clueless manipulators of the book.

JK- Your done because you cant bear your defeat. This nothing but arrogant rhetoric. It will not convince anyone. people are smart enough to check the facts i provided. GOD Bless!

[unknownuser]

Peace jonny,

JK- This is not a manuscript. Only a recital and only in part. There are many recitals btw amongst which warsh and hafs vary ocassionally.

So what, there are many renditions of the song ?my way? including by Sinatra and Elvis.

JK- Your done because you cant bear your defeat. This nothing but arrogant rhetoric. It will not convince anyone. people are smart enough to check the facts i provided. GOD Bless!

I could not bear your nonsense any longer and you provided NOTHING!

Post the entire chapter 19 in Arabic (no links) and tell us which you are including in your count...

y hamza gv=10
y? mu?jamah gv=10
y? muhmalah gv=10

I want to see how you come out with 343

[jonny_k]

Peace "Eid",

Peace jonny,

So what, there are many renditions of the song ?my way? including by Sinatra and Elvis.

JK- Yes but that reading changes the grammar. HERE look at some of the differences btw hafs and warsh
http//www.submission.org/quran/warsh.html
http//www.submission.org/quran/protect.html
http//www.answering-islam.org/PQ/ch6-index.html
http//www.answering-islam.org/PQ/PlateWH1-index.htm
Moreover you relying on a sunni/shia recital of the Quran is real childish. Anyone can teach their children tor recite someting and call it Quran. How do you distinguish? By beating them whenever he doesnt recite something against what you previously heard was Quran? COMMON. There has to be a mechanism.

I could not bear your nonsense any longer and you provided NOTHING!

Post the entire chapter 19 in Arabic (no links) and tell us which you are including in your count...

y hamza gv=10
y? mu?jamah gv=10
y? muhmalah gv=10

I want to see how you come out with 343

JK- IM including all yas YOU included MINUS EIGHT yas from terms "shaiyan(sheen YA hamza alif, occuring 6 times in 199,27,42,60,67,89)", "israeel(alif seen ra hamza YA lam, in 195" and "warian(waw ra hamza YA alif in 1974)" all of these having only ONE YA AND NOT TWO LIKE YOU MR.EID SHOWED IN YOUR LIST. PLUS i added TWO yas, one from the word "nadaaha(noon daal YA ha alif)" in 1924 and the other "ataania(hamza alif ta YA noon YA)" from 1930 see (http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/10_19/19_20-25.htm) and
(http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/10_19/19_26-30.htm). So 8-2=6. Minus 6 from your result 349 and you get exactly 343. CLEAR? GOD Bless!

[unknownuser]

Peace jonny,

Moreover you relying on a sunni/shia recital of the Quran is real childish. Anyone can teach their children tor recite someting and call it Quran. How do you distinguish?

Nothing to distinguish, they are the same stories which you got the same book the same way through memorizing 5417 and now shred to pieces removing verses, changing words, and even conjecture about order of revelation to fit a code for na?ve cattle and other nonsense from the land of the clueless obsessed with all things nineteen.

JK- IM including all yas YOU included MINUS EIGHT yas from terms "shaiyan(sheen YA hamza alif, occuring 6 times in 199,27,42,60,67,89)", "israeel(alif seen ra hamza YA lam, in 195" and "warian(waw ra hamza YA alif in 1974)" all of these having only ONE YA AND NOT TWO LIKE YOU MR.EID SHOWED IN YOUR LIST.

My list included y hamza and what no problem with wara-ee?

195

PLUS i added TWO yas, one from the word "nadaaha(noon daal YA ha alif)" in 1924 and the other "ataania(hamza alif ta YA noon YA)" from 1930

http//www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=19&vid=24
http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/19/24/
http//www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=19&translator=7#1

1924 Fanadaha - So he called her?

Keep manipulating to make nineteen like your idol for the na?ve?

http//bruceadumas.com/db2/00111/bruceadumas.com/_uimages/Curious-Cows-13-x-19.jpg

"Curious Cows"

13" x 19"

[jonny_k]

Peace "eid",

Peace jonny,

Nothing to distinguish, they are the same stories which you got the same book the same way through memorizing 5417 and now shred to pieces removing verses, changing words, and even conjecture about order of revelation to fit a code for na?ve cattle and other nonsense from the land of the clueless obsessed with all things nineteen.

JK- So now you rely on memorization? So say if tomorrow people accepting Quran Alone will start memorizing the Quran without 9128&129? What would you say then? OR say tomoroow some people also accepting only Quran would memorize the Quran with an additional verse appended to sura fatiha which doesnt contradict the rest of the Quranic verses either? Would you accept it as Quran? If you dont then how come your accepting the memorization of hadith followers as Quran? Doesnt that make you a hypocrite trusting those people more about what the Quran is than those who strive to follow Quran Alone?

My list included y hamza and what no problem with wara-ee?

JK- YES THERE IS A PROBLEM. LOOK IT UP. WARAEE DOES NOT HAVE TWO YAS. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT?
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_5.htm
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_5.gif
See "waw ra ALIF hamza YA". NOT two yas. DO U SEE IT?

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JK- There is NO WAVE connecting the last ya. Here SEE http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_5.htm
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_5.gif
Where are you getting this from? Your probably using a later persian manuscript.

http//www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=19&vid=24
http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/19/24/
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_24.htm
http//www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=19&translator=7#1

JK- islamicity CLEARLY shows a wave before HA in fanadaaha upon which theres a small standing alif. DONT U SEE IT? That is a YA. http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_24.gif. Openburhan is probably a persian manuscript not original.

1924 Fanadaha - So he called her?

JK- This is NOT how its spelled at islamicity.
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_24.gif

Keep manipulating like your idol for the na?ve?

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"Curious Cows"

13" x 19"

JK- I think your not looking correctly or your deliberately hiding the truth. We shall see. GOD Bless!

[unknownuser]

Peace jonny,

JK- So now you rely on memorization? So say if tomorrow people accepting Quran Alone will start memorizing the Quran without 9128&129? What would you say then? OR say tomoroow some people also accepting only Quran would memorize the Quran with an additional verse appended to sura fatiha which doesnt contradict the rest of the Quranic verses either? Would you accept it as Quran? If you dont then how come your accepting the memorization of hadith followers as Quran? Doesnt that make you a hypocrite trusting those people more about what the Quran is than those who strive to follow Quran Alone?

Those who remove verses are known liars same as the missionaries and heretics who spread lies about God and Quran ? they will be punished in this world and the next.

5417 And We have made the Quran flexible to the remembrance, so is there from a rememberer?

JK- YES THERE IS A PROBLEM. LOOK IT UP. WARAEE DOES NOT HAVE TWO YAS. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT?

This was not on your list which you said is the same as mine!

195

What?s the count again 343?

JK- islamicity CLEARLY shows a wave before HA in fanadaaha upon which theres a small standing alif. DONT U SEE IT? That is a YA. http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_24.gif.

No I do not see it in that picture, here http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/

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1924 (Asad) Thereupon called out to her from beneath that "Grieve not! Thy Sustainer has provided a rivulet beneath thee;

SEE YA!?

[jonny_k]

Peace "eid",

Peace jonny,

Those who remove verses are known liars same as the missionaries and heretics who spread lies about God and Quran ? they will be punished in this world and the next.

5417 And We have made the Quran flexible to the remembrance, so is there from a rememberer?

JK- Known by WHOM? Sunni/shia? Dont compare those who accept Quran Alone with Christian missionaries now. Once again you didnt answe my questions. HOW do you determine which is the true Quran? Do you do this based on what the MAJORITY say? If so your going against the Quran itself
12106 The majority of those who believe in GOD do not do so without committing idol worship.

This was not on your list which you said is the same as mine!

195

What?s the count again 343?

JK- AGAIN your showing waraai with TWO YAS. Your using a persian quranic script. Openburhan IS PERSIAN SCRIPT. YOU CAN SEE THIS BY LOOKING AT HOW THEY SPELL THE WORD "SALAT". Salat should be spelled "sad lam WAW ha" as in the original NOT "sad lam alif ha". See for example
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/2/2_3.htm
ALL other sites you quoted except islamicity have the same problem.

No I do not see it in that picture, here http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/

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JK- MAN I QUOTED THE VERSE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. HERE
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/19/19_24.gif
DO YOU SEE THE WAVE BEFORE THE "HA" IN NADAAHA? The small alif on top is a VOWEL MARK NOT A REAL LETTER ALIF JUST LIKE THE ONE IN RAHMAN ABOVE THE MEEM. GOD Bless!